COWZYOV 2021 年 2 月 6 日 下午 6:58
Why do people keep telling me to upgrade my cpu?
I use a core i3-8350k (4 cores, 4 gigahertz).

People often tell me its weak, and I should upgrade.

Thing is, even in cpu bottlenecked situations, this doesn’t seem to be the case; according to userbenchmark, the (current) best cpu on the market won’t ever get more than 20% higher game performance than my current cpu—and that’s in cpu bottlenecked situations! In non cpu bottlenecked situations, they barely seem any different in performance!
Userbenchmark link: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-10900K-vs-Intel-Core-i3-8350K/4071vs3935

So why should I upgrade?

(By the way, I don’t stream, or keep any external programs open when gaming for that matter)

Edit: I AM aware that upgrading likely would improve my framerate/reduce stutter, but I’m questioning if the framerate gain is actually significant; I wouldn’t upgrade my cpu merely for a 10% framerate increase, for example. Thing is, in every game benchmark comparison I see between my current cpu and better cpus, mine is barely behind at all...
最后由 COWZYOV 编辑于; 2021 年 2 月 7 日 上午 10:49
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r.linder 2021 年 2 月 6 日 下午 7:14 
UserBenchmark, like all synthetic benchmark sources, do not very accurately represent performance in a real-world setting (i.e. gaming, application work, general use, etc.) and that site makes up a lot of crap, like its "effective speed" charts which is heavily based on averages from the benchmarks submitted to the website through their app. A few bad benchmarks can impact the results, and there's usually a lot more bad benchmarks than there is really good ones for a particular SKU.

For Intel, there only difference in performance between their 6th gen and their 10th gen is the frequencies, because they've kept pretty much the same IPC since Skylake, only bothering to increase core counts and frequencies as well as improving boost functionality for their SKUs.


The main reason why the i3-8350K could hold you back:

Core/thread count; 4C/4T is on its deathbed for gaming at this point, it's not going to last much longer and it's barely holding on, because you can't run much in the background and a lot of games are showing benefits from going with at least 4C/8T or 6C/6T.

If you try to pair it with something like the RTX 3080 or RX 6800 XT (or better) then you'll actually notice some bottlenecking, but below that, it's not really going to be a problem outside of titles that benefit heavily from 6+ core processors.
最后由 r.linder 编辑于; 2021 年 2 月 6 日 下午 7:15
GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™ 2021 年 2 月 6 日 下午 7:15 
i happen to like the i3 but most people don't. Probably because of multi-threading. Not every i3 is like 8350k though. i don't think the hardware community looks a userbenchmark anymore
r.linder 2021 年 2 月 6 日 下午 7:17 
引用自 Hardware Hero™
i happen to like the i3 but most people don't. Probably because of multi-threading. Not every i3 is like 8350k though. i don't think the hardware community looks a userbenchmark anymore
The only use that UserBenchmark really has is seeing how your specs compare to systems of the same spec on average.

Their benchmarks are hardly accurate, especially when you compare directly competing brands like AMD and Intel, because the site owners have been known to skew their results in favor of Intel for a very long time and never admited to AMD's previous price/performance value standpoint. It's a similar situation with AMD/Radeon vs NVIDIA in GPUs, they really don't like AMD and Radeon.
最后由 r.linder 编辑于; 2021 年 2 月 6 日 下午 7:17
_I_ 2021 年 2 月 6 日 下午 9:29 
the i3k is a rarity, but 2 cores with ht can only get you so far with newer games

the 7600k-8600k-7700k-8700k would be much better since they have 4 cores or i7 adds ht
will fare much better with games
but even now they are weak with newer games that need more cores/threads
r.linder 2021 年 2 月 6 日 下午 9:36 
引用自 _I_
the i3k is a rarity, but 2 cores with ht can only get you so far with newer games

the 7600k-8600k-7700k-8700k would be much better since they have 4 cores or i7 adds ht
will fare much better with games
but even now they are weak with newer games that need more cores/threads
It's not a dual-core, it's a quad-core CPU without HT. https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/126689/intel-core-i3-8350k-processor-8m-cache-4-00-ghz.html

Intel started doing quad-core i3s with their Coffee Lake generation, not the refresh.
最后由 r.linder 编辑于; 2021 年 2 月 6 日 下午 9:37
_I_ 2021 年 2 月 6 日 下午 9:42 
oops, got the gens mixed up a bit


but still, same concept, quad overclockable but no ht will only go so far with newer games

its slightly better than a 4690k or 6600k

and esily swappable for a 8700k or 9700k
get one of those while you can
Lord Flashheart 2021 年 2 月 6 日 下午 11:06 
If you play fairly old games, then will probably be fine.
I will be brutal trying to play modern games though.
UserNotFound 2021 年 2 月 7 日 上午 1:46 
Userbenchmark should never be used as a reference benchmarking tool, the i3 8350K is good enough for older games and games that are not heavily mult-threaded. I have an older i7 4770K which may be slower in single thread apps, but would be better in the long run because it's a 4C/8T CPU. Even now, I play a good number of games with it (plus a LeadTek GTX1080) and they handle all the games I've throw at them with reasonable aplomb.

As long as that i3 8350K handles the games you play reasonably well, then all is fine and there's no need to upgrade. But a 4C/4T CPU these days is past its prime, any upgrade at least a newer 4C/8T (at the very least) CPU would be good, though it seems 8C/16T is where it's at these days.
Overseer 2021 年 2 月 7 日 上午 1:57 
引用自 COWZYOV
So why should I upgrade?
When you install a new game and notice the framerate is too low. Because as long as you can reach desired framerates with games you actually play there is no reason to upgrade anything.
Your CPU also seems to support AVX so even that is out of the way.
🦜Cloud Boy🦜 2021 年 2 月 7 日 上午 2:07 
4c/4t CPUs are actually VERY WEAK for modern AAA games. They can only produce like 45 to 50 fps at maximum before they reach 100% usage (no matter how powerful your GPU is). Not suitable for anything above GTX 1060. If you put any decent GPU like RX 5700xt / RTX 2070s with it, It will cut the GPU performance into literally HALF, that's 50% bottleneck.
最后由 🦜Cloud Boy🦜 编辑于; 2021 年 2 月 7 日 上午 2:09
r.linder 2021 年 2 月 7 日 上午 2:20 
引用自 🌈Cloud Boy🌈
4c/4t CPUs are actually VERY WEAK for modern AAA games. They can only produce like 45 to 50 fps at maximum before they reach 100% usage (no matter how powerful your GPU is). Not suitable for anything above GTX 1060. If you put any decent GPU like RX 5700xt / RTX 2070s with it, It will cut the GPU performance into literally HALF, that's 50% bottleneck.
Really bold claim when there's tons of evidence that disproves that. It only depends on how well a particular game handles cores/threads and the CPU itself; the 9900K doesn't perform that much better than the 9100F in AC:O, both of the averages are within a few FPS points with a 2080 Ti, and the 9900K usage is in the high 20s and low 30s while the 9100F is consistently at 100%.

Nor is there any way to calculate a bottleneck, so not sure where you're pulling that "50% bottleneck" from. It's all BS.
最后由 r.linder 编辑于; 2021 年 2 月 7 日 上午 2:21
Jamebonds1 2021 年 2 月 7 日 上午 5:16 
Don't listen to people. If you said you are fine with the current system while play games, you are fine.

I used to have first gen i3 since it is what I could afford for my college class.
Agent 2021 年 2 月 7 日 上午 5:43 
Because they're correct. But you can choose to ignore them. It's also ok to admit you have no money to upgrade.
Autumn_ 2021 年 2 月 7 日 上午 5:49 
引用自 COWZYOV
I use a core i3-8350k (4 cores, 4 gigahertz).

People often tell me its weak, and I should upgrade.

Thing is, even in cpu bottlenecked situations, this doesn’t seem to be the case; according to userbenchmark, the (current) best cpu on the market won’t ever get more than 20% higher game performance than my current cpu—and that’s in cpu bottlenecked situations! In non cpu bottlenecked situations, they barely seem any different in performance!
Userbenchmark link: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-10900K-vs-Intel-Core-i3-8350K/4071vs3935

So why should I upgrade?

(By the way, I don’t stream, or keep any external programs open when gaming for that matter)
If it works, and you're fine with the performance, don't worry.

However from an objective standpoint, it is a weak CPU, even for when it was new, it was weak.
It is somewhat lessened by the overclockability, but that would depend on motherboard, cooler, and silicon lottery.
4c4t in 2021 is pretty trashy, and, makes quite a lot of modern games unplayable (at least for decently high FPS gameplay.)

That 20% is wrong, that's single core -- many (new) games use DX12 or Vulkan, which spread the load over all (usable) thread (of a game.) There is no dedicated render thread, so single core thread for new games is a pretty pointless metric, and older games it's going to be plenty.
If you look at quadcore speed, 31%, a notable increase in performance, and anything above that is going to be a drastic increase (because you don't have more than 4 cores or threads.)
If you're hitting limits of the CPU (maxing all threads), you are going to see an improvement from a new CPU, it just depends on the game.

And, UBM is a pretty poor benchmark/comparison tool to use, because it's heavily biased to Intel. (Meaning, it cannot be trusted with the majority of results, but still useful as a quick check comparison tool, with more research required from more accurate comparison sites.)

No real reason why you NEED to upgrade, unless you're unhappy with performance.

引用自 Hardware Hero™
i happen to like the i3 but most people don't. Probably because of multi-threading. Not every i3 is like 8350k though. i don't think the hardware community looks a userbenchmark anymore
The i3 is just a poor choice, the only one(s) being remotely useful are the 10th gen ones, 4c8t.
But they're still not worth the money, because for just a little more, you can get a CPU with equal performance and more cores, with hyperthreading, from both AMD and Intel.
The 6c12t CPUs would be a MUCH, MUCH better investment.

引用自 🌈Cloud Boy🌈
If you put any decent GPU like RX 5700xt / RTX 2070s with it, It will cut the GPU performance into literally HALF, that's 50% bottleneck.
That's the wrong answer -- You can't calculate bottleneck like that. It depends on the game in question, how graphically demanding it is, and other factors.
SoldierScar 2021 年 2 月 7 日 上午 6:47 
These days you really want a decent 6c/12t cpu and for the next 3 years..
My old i5-6600 4c/4t already struggled in 2017 with battlefield 1, running maxed out at 100%, giving me stuttering and bottlenecking gtx 1060. That's enough said about 4c/4t cpus, it is dated if it bottlenecks such weak gpu as 1060. A modern 4c/8t is still kinda decent for budget gaming (10100f/3300x).
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