NVME, Normal for CPU Fans to go to 75%-100% when installing games?

[Bierno]

First time with NVME build and don't remember what it like with SSD now since I am reinstalling games etc on my new computer

Is it normal to feel a bit of stutter when installing games (in a zoom class and minor stutter on audio)? I am installing Star Wars Battlefront 2

CPU - AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12-Core/24-Thread AM4 3.7GHz - 4.8GHz Boost
AIO - DEEPCOOL Castle 360EX
NVME 1 - 1TB WD Black SN750 NVMe
NVME 2 - 1TB WD Blue SN550 NVMe
SSD 1 - 1TB Samsung 860 Evo SSD

OS/Steam on NVME1 and Games on NVME2

EDIT: Tried to install on SSD1 and use same issue
Is this a normal thing with Zen3 CPUs or in general etc?

[C2Dan88]

No, should not have any stutter with that spec.

As for fans ramping may need to tweak cpu fan curve in bios, or check your cpu cooler is seated properly on the cpu and use ryzen master/hwmonitor for monitoring temps

[Bierno]

C2Dan88님이 먼저 게시:

No, should not have any stutter with that spec.

As for fans ramping may need to tweak cpu fan curve in bios, or check your cpu cooler is seated properly on the cpu and use ryzen master/hwmonitor for monitoring temps

CPU temperature is about 40'c on idle & light use such as discord/firefox/zoom/wallpaper engine and about 50'c to 60'c in games and high 60'c or 70'c when I install games on Steam

Always monitoring my PC because of this issue when I install Steam games. I google a few things and people say to put my Power Plan to High/Ultimate instead of Balanced and most likely will enable Windows 10 GPU Scheduling

but if it not normal makes me worry a bit :( since I none of my friends have Nvme.. bought it for my new computer because its cheaper than SSD right now

EDIT: Actually same thing when I install on Samsung 860 Evo SSD too

[nullable]

Bierno님이 먼저 게시:

NVME, Normal for CPU Fans to go to 75%-100% when installing games?

You're over thinking this. If you put your CPU under load, temps will go up. If temps go up, the fans will spin faster. If installing a game requires CPU work, then that's putting the CPU under load, which could cause temps to go up and the CPU fans to spin.

So... what's your argument that installing games shouldn't cause the CPU to do any work?

If you don't like the fan behavior, fiddle with the curves I guess. But it's a lot of fuss over nothing IMO.

[Bierno]

Snakub Plissken님이 먼저 게시:

Bierno님이 먼저 게시:

NVME, Normal for CPU Fans to go to 75%-100% when installing games?

You're over thinking this. If you put your CPU under load, temps will go up. If temps go up, the fans will spin faster. If installing a game requires CPU work, then that's putting the CPU under load, which could cause temps to go up and the CPU fans to spin.

So... what's your argument that installing games shouldn't cause the CPU to do any work?

If you don't like the fan behavior, fiddle with the curves I guess. But it's a lot of fuss over nothing IMO.

okay are the temps normal then?
40'c normal use, 50'c to 60'c in games, 70'c when installing "steam" games?

do you get the similar performance with your cpu/harddrive when installing on steam?

I just wondering because it doesn't do that when I play games

[nullable]

I don't typically monitor it. I've been PC gaming and building computers for over twenty years. Fussing over minutiae is entertaining when it's all new. But after a while, unless you're having an issue that actually affects you, inventing problems stops being entertaining.

I do believe my idle CPU (8700k) temperatures are around 38c, in a house with a 72f ambient temperature. I only happen to know this because I happened to turn on MSI command center to compare some settings between the wife's PC and mine yesterday, first time in months I've looked at it. I don't have any performance issues or throttling under load, so I don't really care what the temperatures are. Within safe limits, otherwise I'd be having issues with throttling. And I'm not much interesting in worrying over how particular workloads use the CPU. If one bit of work has the CPU running at 60c and another bit of work has the CPU running at 70c there's not much point in me micro managing it.

And your temps are fine, well within the thermal limits AMD has laid out.

https://www.techradar.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-9-5900x

or instance, in our testing, the AMD Ryzen 9 5900X reached a maximum temperature of 86°C – and that's with a 360mm AIO cooler attached. Don't worry, that's just how Ryzen is designed. AMD has told us that the new processors may peak around 98°C, and that it's expected. Your processor isn't going to burst into flames.

From where I sit being 20-30 degrees Celsius below the limit isn't a problem, and not worth worrying over.

[Carlsberg]

sometimes having the tools to monitor these things is a mistake, stop looking for problems that are not there. If you have an issue then run a monitor if need and sort it out if you don't then stop looking for one.

[Supafly]

Bierno님이 먼저 게시:

Snakub Plissken님이 먼저 게시:

You're over thinking this. If you put your CPU under load, temps will go up. If temps go up, the fans will spin faster. If installing a game requires CPU work, then that's putting the CPU under load, which could cause temps to go up and the CPU fans to spin.

So... what's your argument that installing games shouldn't cause the CPU to do any work?

If you don't like the fan behavior, fiddle with the curves I guess. But it's a lot of fuss over nothing IMO.

okay are the temps normal then?
40'c normal use, 50'c to 60'c in games, 70'c when installing "steam" games?

do you get the similar performance with your cpu/harddrive when installing on steam?

I just wondering because it doesn't do that when I play games

Fact that Steam compresses files and they need to be uncompressed and installed = more CPU and Drive usage than other platforms that don't compress and install the same way.

Temps are fine. If fans to high for your liking try adjust fan curve so they don't ramp up as high as fast

[Bierno]

Dead Monkey님이 먼저 게시:

Bierno님이 먼저 게시:

okay are the temps normal then?
40'c normal use, 50'c to 60'c in games, 70'c when installing "steam" games?

do you get the similar performance with your cpu/harddrive when installing on steam?

I just wondering because it doesn't do that when I play games

Fact that Steam compresses files and they need to be uncompressed and installed = more CPU and Drive usage than other platforms that don't compress and install the same way.

Temps are fine. If fans to high for your liking try adjust fan curve so they don't ramp up as high as fast

Yeah thanks. I know now that I am worrying over nothing but just wanted to double check if it normal. First time building a PC and my expectation are just everywhere. Waiting for Nvidia 3000s card now. Will say that Valorant my framerate was at 140fps with 1070 ti.. now its 450+ fps with same video card

[_I_]

depends on the game

steam downloads, unpacks, copies the files which does take some cpu
with a nvme ssd, the cpu is often the bottleneck for installing/unpacking games

[Guydodge]

audio stutter is not normal,and your idle/cpu temp depends on many factors as in case fans,fan speed.pump speed on AIO if your running a overclock. if you have a good mesh
front case with 5-7 fans 40c idle is a little high but nothing to worry about.turn your AIO
pump to full speed if you havent already.

[Illusion of Progress]

As has been stated, the temperatures behaving that way aren't unusual; CPUs runs warmer when under higher load, and more so on modern CPUs (at least/especially AMD), spikes like that for a very short time even to high values are not unusual and not a problem. This causes a raise in fan speed.

Whether it should be getting that loud at that temperatures, or causing a variance (spinning up and down a lot to a noticeable/distracting degree) is something you can look into fan curves or other cooling solutions for.

The audio/video stutter part is not normal though. That's a different issue, and I have no idea what would be causing it.

[_I_]

audio stuttering on stream may be due to internet connection
limit steams download to about half of your connection speed
steam -> settings -> download -> tick throttle

[Bierno]

_I_님이 먼저 게시:

audio stuttering on stream may be due to internet connection
limit steams download to about half of your connection speed
steam -> settings -> download -> tick throttle

ah ♥♥♥♥ you maybe right since I am downloading at like 100mb/s at the same time while on Zoom.. I guess most of my bandwidth is going to Steam? and not the video

[Bad 💀 Motha]

You just need to configure this yourself; as the Cooling Fans might not be ramping up simply due to CPU Temp *C; but ramping up due to very high loads of the system overall. This is why I never use PWM, always DC.

[Supafly]

Bierno님이 먼저 게시:

_I_님이 먼저 게시:

audio stuttering on stream may be due to internet connection
limit steams download to about half of your connection speed
steam -> settings -> download -> tick throttle

ah ♥♥♥♥ you maybe right since I am downloading at like 100mb/s at the same time while on Zoom.. I guess most of my bandwidth is going to Steam? and not the video

Yup. If you ISPs DL speed is 100mbps Steam is trying to use all of it and any other application using your internet is struggling. Drop Steams limit in half and then gradually start increasing it, 5-10%, whilst doing what you normally would. When you start seeing spotify or YT or whatever stuttering/buffing drop it 5-10% and leave it at that. No issues for current applications and also give you some extra incase you use something else.