Kernel error 41 still kicking my ass and on updating a Gigabyte MOBO

[Castyles]

I did everything I could but that ♥♥♥♥ still happens from time to time since december. It can't be the PSU. I refuse to believe it. My machine is built to handle 430w and my PSU has a power of 650w and it's new. Trusty brand too. A Corsair.

Anyway. This is getting annoying so I decided to update the BIOS and see if I get that ♥♥♥♥ fixed for good. Trouble is: I don't know if Gigabyte changed something but this is my motherboard:
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450M-DS3H-WIFI-rev-1x/support#support-dl-driver

With WI-FI.

But the box is different. The box from mine is the same one as shown here:
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450M-DS3H-rev-1x/support#support-dl-bios

Now I'm stuck. Any light?

[Illusion of Progress]

Eh? I'm confused. Just download the BIOS for your model name/number. It's possible the box went through iterations or changes maybe. The boards will have different BIOS for the WiFi and non-WiFi versions, so if you try the one wrong, it shouldn't let you proceed. But, it's easy to look and see if you physically have the WiFi version anyway. Just ignore the box pictures.

Edit: What is your initial problem, by the way? Kernel Error 41 simply means there was an unexpected restart. Are you having random restart issues? What CPU and RAM do you have? If it's not a Zen 3 CPU, it might be an option to try a BIOS before Zen 3 support was added. Went through issues of my own like that on another board; certain AGESA versions became finicky with certain configurations, but I'm not sure if the latest versions are better.

[Castyles]

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

Eh? I'm confused. Just download the BIOS for your model name/number. It's possible the box went through iterations or changes maybe. The boards will have different BIOS for the WiFi and non-WiFi versions, so if you try the one wrong, it shouldn't let you proceed. But, it's easy to look and see if you physically have the WiFi version anyway. Just ignore the box pictures.

This is my first gaming rig. I used to play on consoles and non-gaming office machines and I just don't want to pick the wrong BIOS and ♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥ up because it's going to be a headache to fix, later on.

So trying to use a wrong one and getting locked up before all the harm is done is a thing now, then? Say, motherboard X is designed to accept only X updates and, if you place a Y update on it, which was designed for motherboard Y, it prevents you? Interesting.

Edit: What is your initial problem, by the way? Kernel Error 41 simply means there was an unexpected restart. Are you having random restart issues? What CPU and RAM do you have? If it's not a Zen 3 CPU, it might be an option to try a BIOS before Zen 3 support was added. Went through issues of my own like that on another board; certain AGESA versions became finicky with certain configurations, but I'm not sure if the latest versions are better.

That's my problem, yeah. I tried all the fixes that I could find, think and many answers but nothing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ works (and sometimes someone appears around here with a similar issue, too).

Last time I "fixed" something the restarts stopped for about two weeks only to return today. Again. It doesn't restart my machine now, though. Rather, it freezes everything because I disabled the automatic restarts.

Updating the motherboard's BIOS is kinda my last option, you see. I own a Ryzen 3 3200g APU, by the way. What do you make of it?

RAM is not the issue, I checked.

[Illusion of Progress]

Originally posted by Castyles:

This is my first gaming rig. I used to play on consoles and non-gaming office machines and I just don't want to pick the wrong BIOS and ♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥ up because it's going to be a headache to fix, later on.

So trying to use a wrong one and getting locked up before all the harm is done is a thing now, then? Say, motherboard X is designed to accept only X updates and, if you place a Y update on it, which was designed for motherboard Y, it prevents you? Interesting.

Unless you have a problem with your current BIOS that is resolved by a later one, you usually don't need to update it. That said, it almost always never hurts either (sometimes brings small, non important benefits), and unless you lose power during the update, it's usually fine to do so.

And, yes, your WiFi variant motherboard should tell you it's not a compatible BIOS if you try and use the BIOS for the non-WiFi variant. In any case, ignore the images and get the BIOS for your specific board and you'll be set right.

Originally posted by Castyles:

That's my problem, yeah. I tried all the fixes that I could find, think and many answers but nothing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ works (and sometimes someone appears around here with a similar issue, too).

Last time I "fixed" something the restarts stopped for about two weeks only to return today. Again. It doesn't restart my machine now, though. Rather, it freezes everything because I disabled the automatic restarts.

Updating the motherboard's BIOS is kinda my last option, you see. I own a Ryzen 3 3200g APU, by the way. What do you make of it?

RAM is not the issue, I checked.

Random restarts can be a number of reasons. First check is to see if it's actually a restart or a BSOD followed by a restart (not sure if BSODs also leave a log about event 41 or not). But, freezing when disabling automatic restart (if you're referring to on STOP errors) would signify that yes it's a BSOD.

Pertaining to the BIOS...

The Ryzen 3 3200G is a Zen+ architecture CPU (Ryzen 3000 is Zen 2, except when it's an APU, which makes it Zen+). Okay, so typically most boards won't have a BIOS chip large enough to store ALL of the Ryzen CPUs ever released, so the newer boards typically only support the newer generations, and the older ones can only update so far. The B450 should support both older (Zen and Zen+) and somewhat recent Zen 2 CPUs, with recent BIOS enabling Zen 3 (Ryzen 5000 series) support. But, this MAY make it drop Zen and Zen+ support. Granted, I would expect issues with it simply not working rather than random restarts, but I'm not sure.

Support for your CPU was added in version F40. Zen 3 support started showing up in version F61. If just specifies what version support for a CPU was added and not that any were dropped, though. I'd, personally, try the version immediately prior to version F61 IF you can flash to an older version and if you're on a newer one. If you're on a newer one and can't, then I'd simply try the most recent non-Beta version.

However, there's a chance the restarts aren't related to the BIOS. Have you tried with XMP (DOCP or whatever Gigabyte calls it) both on and off? Granted, it SHOULD be fine operating on ideally, but troubleshooting involves such steps.

Might also be worth looking at AMD chipset drivers, GPU drivers, and even sound drivers. Check AMD's and Gigabyte's site (and the appropriate for your GPU) and download the latest for those.

But, if you're having BSODs, if you can post the logs of those, others can help with the particular cause of them in this case. Updating BIOS/drivers is good maintenance but it may or may not resolve this.

[invision2212]

Originally posted by Castyles:

It can't be the PSU. I refuse to believe it. My machine is built to handle 430w and my PSU has a power of 650w and it's new. Trusty brand too. A Corsair.

i just built a gaming system using a 850w power supply from EVGA and the first two days was fine but then i installed Red Dead Redemption 2 and after about 20min of gaming the PC would restart back to its bios splash screen. every time i tried to play a game it would do this. ive read this issue enough to know it was the PSU.

i had another power supply that was 700w and i installed it and played RDR2 for over an hour without an issue and have played and used the PC for a few days now without the restarting issue coming back.

so it very well could be your PSU failing regardless how much power its suppose to provide the system.

[Carlsberg]

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

Might also be worth looking at AMD chipset drivers, GPU drivers, and even sound drivers. Check AMD's and Gigabyte's site (and the appropriate for your GPU) and download the latest for those.

But, if you're having BSODs, if you can post the logs of those, others can help with the particular cause of them in this case. Updating BIOS/drivers is good maintenance but it may or may not resolve this.

If sure about the psu not being a factor then I would update Bios, Chipset Drivers, Sound, Network, Gpu and any others as needed and all windows updates.

That should rule those out and may well solve the issue, if it does not then you would need to revisit a possible hardware fault or corruption in windows itself that may require a re-install.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

When the board is from Gigabyte, you must ensure to use CPU-Z app and then look at the "Revision"

Then on the gigabyte motherboard model page, note the Rev 1.0; 1.2; 2.0; 3.0 link pages and click the one for your exact revision of motherboard. As this is extremely important when it comes to the Bios updates.

[GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™]

Originally posted by Castyles:

Can you list your specs? CPU-Z validation? The problem isn't the bios and you have to be very careful updating bios for AMD. Read the support carefully because you don't want to flash yourself to no cpu support. Make sure your cpu is indeed fully supported and not just new ryzen.

If I were you I would simply reset my cmos with the jumper and start fresh. Then boot it up and sync your time with windows. After that continue testing the computer until you get the issue again. Then come back here and let us know what you were doing and any odd pc behavior that you notice.