ZeekAncient 2021 年 10 月 10 日 下午 6:00
Is PCI-E 4.0 compatibility worth having? Or rather is having a PCI-E 4.0 SSD that much faster than a PCI-E 3.0 SSD?
So this past summer I bought an RTX 3070 Ti. I replaced my aging GTX 1070 Ti and coupled the 3070 Ti with my aging i7 4770K. I was gaming on a 4K TV, so I figured that the i7 4770K would not bottleneck my CPU that much. While it didn't all that much, especially at 4K, it still did enough for me to notice, especially in CPU intensive scenarios.

So, I gathered up some funds and built a new PC around the RTX 3070 Ti. I probably should have went with the 5600X for my CPU but in the back of my mind I really wanted an 8 core, lol, just to say I had an 8 core and the consoles have 8 cores. So I was going to buy a 5800X but then I saw an i7 10700KF on sale for $290. I did my research, and at 4K, I wasn't really going to see much difference in gaming between a 10700K or the 5800X and 11700K. So I decided that having PCIE 4.0 support wasn't all that big a deal but saving over $100 was, so I bought the 10700KF.

For my boot drive I decided to go with a Samsung 970 Evo Plus. While I love my system, I am sort of having buyers remorse and wish I would have went with the 5800X, or even the 11700K, so I could have the faster SSDs.

So my question is to all those that have an 11700K, and/or PCIE 4.0 SSDs, is it really worth it over a PCIE 3.0 SSD?

I went with a Z590 motherboard and I am thinking of buying an 11700K and selling my 10700K. I am hoping that when 12th gen Intel's get released that perhaps the 11700K will go down in price. Maybe to sub 300. But I have also read conflicting benchmarks. Some saying that the 10700K maybe better in gaming than an 11700K. So that is another question?

Is the 11700K better in gaming than a 10700K? And is upgrading to a 11700K from a 10700K worth it to have a PCIE 4.0 SSD?

So what do people think? Should I ditch my 10700K and buy an 11700K? And perhaps a Samsung 980 Pro to keep with my Samsung SSD theme.

Or should I just pass on PCIE 4.0 for now, enjoy my 10700k and 3070 TI(soon to be 3080 as I am in the EVGA step up program) for a few years and upgrade CPU when PCIE 5.0 and DDR5 are out and good?

And do you think that 11700s will go down in price when Alder Lake is released? I was able to get my 10700 for sub 300, so I was kind of hoping the same with an 11700.
最后由 ZeekAncient 编辑于; 2021 年 10 月 10 日 下午 6:09
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Overseer 2021 年 10 月 10 日 下午 8:55 
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If you have a Z590 then you have PCIE 4.0; you do not need to change CPUs.
If you wish to use PCIE 4.0 SSDs you can, per what each of your M2 slots supports. Refer to the manual for that in-depth info.

No, I am pretty sure that Intel, unlike AMD, has PCIE 4.0 support through the lanes on the CPU, and not the PCH or chipset. So thus, while I have a Z590 motherboard, I would still need to get an 11th gen CPU to get the 4.0 support.

Yeah cause my top M.2 slot supports 4.0 but even in the manual it says that I will need an 11th gen CPU to take advantage of the 4.0 speeds.
Intel 10th gen and older are limited by 16 lanes and have any M.2 device go through the chipset (DMI). Because Intel always wanted its customers to buy more expensive HEDT or server hardware to get more lanes.
11th gen now added 4 additional lanes to mainstream, making it 20 in total, to catch up with AMD Ryzen which has offered 20 for years by now (Ryzen 3 1200 from 2017 has 20). So full lane support directly from the CPU, without the possibility of a bottleneck and without taking any lanes from the graphics card, you only get on Ryzen or now 11th gen Intel.
What changed on Ryzen was a jump from from Gen 3 to Gen 4 with the 3000 Series.
And no. PCIe 4 doesn't make a noticeable difference. The only use case i could imagine for a gamer would be to split the x16 slot into two x8 to install something in another slot without slowing down the graphics card. But i haven't seen any benchmarks covering that.
djp_20 2021 年 10 月 10 日 下午 11:30 
It's more than PCI-E 4.0 that give the 11th gen Intel an advantage over the 10th gen Intel.. Also there is official support for DDR4-3200 with 11th gen Intel. 10th gen intel only officially supports up to DDR4-2933. However, I agree with everyone else here that you should stick with your 10700k as you most likely won't see anymore performance different upgrading to 11th gen and no game right now on PC supports DirectStorage to my knowledge, so I don't even know what impact, if any, a PCI-E 4.0 NVMe drive will have with DirectStorage in a future PC game compared to a PCI-E 3.0 NVMe drive. I have both a 2TB 970 EVO Plus NVMe (used as an OS drive) and a 2TB 980 Pro NVMe (used as a games drive) and can't tell the difference in performance between the two for current gaming and OS functionality.
最后由 djp_20 编辑于; 2021 年 10 月 11 日 上午 12:56
HALO_run 2021 年 10 月 10 日 下午 11:46 
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Yea I think that is the best bet as well. I am going to enjoy my current setup for year or two, maybe three, then see what comes down the line for DDR5 and probably PCIE 5.0 by then. The 10700K is still plenty fast to handle anything for awhile.

As for the 3090, I have an EVGA 3070 Ti and have signed up for the step up program. I think a 3080 with 10 GB of VRAM is gonna be plenty fast for 4K. While I would love a 3090, considering current prices, it is most likely out of my budget. By the time I can afford one, we will probably be talking RTX 40 series. Also, 24 GB of VRAM is overkill for gaming. 10 GB from the 3080 or maybe even the 12 GB 3080 Ti might be more reasonable. As far as VRAM, I think AMD nailed it with their 16 GB configuration.
no 24gb isn't over kill, you need much more for high settings, and with 4k you really need 11gb or more

3090 is cheaper in the long run, unless you're made of money.

plus the 40rtx will cost ♥♥♥♥ loads more
最后由 HALO_run 编辑于; 2021 年 10 月 10 日 下午 11:47
_I_ 2021 年 10 月 11 日 上午 12:16 
correct, still the same delay for most games

similar to traffic, more lanes does not make cars move faster when they are empty (when all are going the speed limit)

much better than sata hdd or usb, where the traffic is much slower and single lane
Pocahawtness 2021 年 10 月 11 日 上午 12:51 
I remember stumbling over a video someplace that basically said no, it's not a feature you should go out of your way to buy but if it comes free, then fine. The improvement is marginal.
ZeekAncient 2021 年 10 月 11 日 上午 4:14 
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Yea I think that is the best bet as well. I am going to enjoy my current setup for year or two, maybe three, then see what comes down the line for DDR5 and probably PCIE 5.0 by then. The 10700K is still plenty fast to handle anything for awhile.

As for the 3090, I have an EVGA 3070 Ti and have signed up for the step up program. I think a 3080 with 10 GB of VRAM is gonna be plenty fast for 4K. While I would love a 3090, considering current prices, it is most likely out of my budget. By the time I can afford one, we will probably be talking RTX 40 series. Also, 24 GB of VRAM is overkill for gaming. 10 GB from the 3080 or maybe even the 12 GB 3080 Ti might be more reasonable. As far as VRAM, I think AMD nailed it with their 16 GB configuration.
no 24gb isn't over kill, you need much more for high settings, and with 4k you really need 11gb or more

3090 is cheaper in the long run, unless you're made of money.

plus the 40rtx will cost ♥♥♥♥ loads more

Probably true. But my 3070 Ti has been handling 4k 60fps pretty good right now. And that is with maxing out settings. But I do see in the near future not being able to max games anymore to maintain 60fps at 4K. So yeah, more than 8GB of VRam would be welcome. I haven't played Far Cry 6 yet, but while the benchmarks I have seen don't seem too demanding, I did see that the HD Textures Pack requires 16 GB, however I don't know how true that is as the benchmarks Ive seen showed the 3070s, 3070Ti, 3080s, and 3080Ti having HD Textures installed.

I do know though that with Doom Eternal, you need to have at least 10GB of VRam to enable Ray Tracing and have Texture Pool Size at max. Im sure it doesn't make a big impact visually too much, but it is disappointing that I can't max out Texture Pool Size and have Ray Tracing on at the same time. Another reason why I am hoping EVGA upgrades me to a 3080 soon.

And yes I would love a 3090, but I don't think they will allow me to step-up to that from a 3070 Ti. And I probably wouldn't be able to afford it anyway. We shall see. I will look into it.

On the EVGA website I will be able to step up to an RTX 3080 for around $890 or $900 which will only cost me around $100 to step-up. As I paid around $800 for my EVGA RTX 3070 TI FTW3 Ultra. All the 3090s on EVGA are over $1500 and some over $2000. So a little out of my price range, lol. A 3080 Ti might not be too bad, but it is still super expensive.
最后由 ZeekAncient 编辑于; 2021 年 10 月 11 日 上午 4:22
Monk 2021 年 10 月 11 日 上午 4:38 
Pcie4 nvme ssd have zero impact on gaming as of now and likely for a while.

Pcie3 doesn't really hold back a 3090, so you'll be fine with a 3070ti.

The 11th gen is a bit of a mess, just avoid it, the 10700k is as fast as the 11700k.

Really, for 4k, the 3070ti is the weak link, not the cpu.
ZeekAncient 2021 年 10 月 11 日 上午 7:38 
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Pcie4 nvme ssd have zero impact on gaming as of now and likely for a while.

Pcie3 doesn't really hold back a 3090, so you'll be fine with a 3070ti.

The 11th gen is a bit of a mess, just avoid it, the 10700k is as fast as the 11700k.

Really, for 4k, the 3070ti is the weak link, not the cpu.

Oh you are right there. 4K is the great CPU equalizer. Even my old 4770K didn't really hold the 3070 Ti back at 4K. But I did notice bottleneck in CPU intensive scenarios. And at 1080p? Forget it. The 4770K most definitely held the 3070 Ti from its full potential at 1080. In fact, from what I've seen, my 10700K still holds the 3070Ti back some at 1080. It is really at 1440p and higher that I don't really notice any CPU bottlenecks.

And yes, the 3070Ti was not my first choice for gaming at 4K. But the way the GPU market is right now, I had to take what I could get. Unless I wanted to pay ridiculous prices or press my luck everyday at the Newegg Shuffle, the 3070Ti through Antonline was the only way I was getting a 30 series GPU at MSRP.

But while I am still waiting to get a 3080 through EVGA step up, I am still very happy with the 3070Ti. While it might lack in overall value price wise to a 3080 or even the vanilla 3070, considering that it is supposed to be 20% more in price than a 3070 and not being 20% better, my overclocked version and the additional OC I have put on it has made it perform exceptional. And doesn't really break a sweat in most games at 4K Ultra 60fps.

I definitely feel lucky that I was able to get the card I got at MSRP with how the market is. I still want the 3080 for a little bit more future proof, but like I said, definitely not disappointed with my 3070 Ti.

Really, I am just second guessing going with a last gen CPU to save money when I could have went with the more efficient Ryzen 7 5800X, that is on a better platform, has PCI-E 4.0 support, has the better AM4 platform which has better upgrade options, and for other workloads, and in general, does perform better.

But you are right, at 4K, CPU doesn't really matter. In fact, I should have not worried so much about my ego wanting an 8 core CPU and went with the less expensive 6 core in the 5600X or the 11600K. Heck, I heard that the 11400 is a great value for gaming. But that is all in hindsight. I am still enjoying my 8 core 10700K quite a bit. So, no worries. ;)
HALO_run 2021 年 10 月 11 日 下午 5:47 
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no 24gb isn't over kill, you need much more for high settings, and with 4k you really need 11gb or more

3090 is cheaper in the long run, unless you're made of money.

plus the 40rtx will cost ♥♥♥♥ loads more

Probably true. But my 3070 Ti has been handling 4k 60fps pretty good right now. And that is with maxing out settings. But I do see in the near future not being able to max games anymore to maintain 60fps at 4K. So yeah, more than 8GB of VRam would be welcome. I haven't played Far Cry 6 yet, but while the benchmarks I have seen don't seem too demanding, I did see that the HD Textures Pack requires 16 GB, however I don't know how true that is as the benchmarks Ive seen showed the 3070s, 3070Ti, 3080s, and 3080Ti having HD Textures installed.

I do know though that with Doom Eternal, you need to have at least 10GB of VRam to enable Ray Tracing and have Texture Pool Size at max. Im sure it doesn't make a big impact visually too much, but it is disappointing that I can't max out Texture Pool Size and have Ray Tracing on at the same time. Another reason why I am hoping EVGA upgrades me to a 3080 soon.

And yes I would love a 3090, but I don't think they will allow me to step-up to that from a 3070 Ti. And I probably wouldn't be able to afford it anyway. We shall see. I will look into it.

On the EVGA website I will be able to step up to an RTX 3080 for around $890 or $900 which will only cost me around $100 to step-up. As I paid around $800 for my EVGA RTX 3070 TI FTW3 Ultra. All the 3090s on EVGA are over $1500 and some over $2000. So a little out of my price range, lol. A 3080 Ti might not be too bad, but it is still super expensive.
true but if you're going to jump from a 3070ti to a 3080, it'd be just a bit cheaper for the 3090 long run ways, but a 3080ti isn't a bad pick as well,

also take this game https://store.steampowered.com/app/1196590/Resident_Evil_Village/
you really need more then 10gb to run it with max settings, if you can 3080 ti would fit you better, won't last as long as the 3090 but it'll do
ZeekAncient 2021 年 10 月 11 日 下午 5:58 
Yeah I'll definitely have to save some funds and look into it. I mean, an RTX 3090 would be sweet AF. And yes the 3090 Ti coming out and the new 30 series Super cards are gonna be expensive. And probably not available. Damn silicon shortages.

Also TDP of 450!!! Better get a new PSU.
最后由 ZeekAncient 编辑于; 2021 年 10 月 11 日 下午 6:06
HALO_run 2021 年 10 月 11 日 下午 6:05 
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Yeah I'll definitely have to save some funds and look into it. I mean, an RTX 3090 would be sweat AF. And yes the 3090 Ti coming out and the new 30 series Super cards are gonna be expensive. And probably not available. Damn silicon shortages.

Also TDP of 450!!! Better get a new PSU.
welp we can blame the cp miners,for that.
best of luck with what you can save for
最后由 HALO_run 编辑于; 2021 年 10 月 11 日 下午 6:06
ZeekAncient 2021 年 10 月 11 日 下午 6:06 
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Yeah I'll definitely have to save some funds and look into it. I mean, an RTX 3090 would be sweat AF. And yes the 3090 Ti coming out and the new 30 series Super cards are gonna be expensive. And probably not available. Damn silicon shortages.

Also TDP of 450!!! Better get a new PSU.
welp we can blame the cp miners, best of luck with what you can save for

Thank you. I appreciate that. And saving is one thing. Hopefully there will be stock at MSRP or close to it when I do have the money. :/
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