What RAM, CPU or GPU do you think is underrated?

[Du4lity (they/them)]

I think GT 1030 is underrated. What PC part do you think is underrated?

[Sithtastic]

i7 990x, or its xeon counterpart (if you have the ram to OC it since it's locked). If you're only playing single player games without world editing/construction, this 10+ year old chip is still more than enough with a good cooler and overclock.

Biggest problem: PCI-e is first gen for those old mobos it fits in.

[Autumn_]

Illusion of Progress の投稿を引用：

Autumn_ の投稿を引用：

I think it's over rated.
It's an x30 GPU, not built for gaming, or really any kind of higher class computing.
It's a basic display adaptor, people touting it as the savour of low end gamers since it's release.
But for 80-100 dollar/pounds you could get a 970, 480, 580, or 590 and trash the 1030, for pretty much the same price.
The 1030 isn't a good card, it's dumb to get it for gaming, there are much better options.

You are missing some very important factors.

Like, comparing used GPUs to new ones. That's not even a like for like comparison. In what world did a GT 1030 and GTX 970 ever widely cost the same at the same time (comparing new to new or used to used, of course)? Not only that, but while used GPUs can have some good values (but not these days), it comes with additional risks and no warranty and not everyone wants that.

Also, form factor. PSU limits. Honorable mention for CPU bottleneck considerations. These are all things that you clearly didn't consider. It's about the fastest low profile nVidia GPU AFAIK, outside maybe the much more expensive GTX 1650, and at a meager ~30W, a GT 1030 will work on pretty much any PSU and system form factor.

I'm all for laying one on the GPU, so to speak, for its abysmal performance being lower than what you may personally want, or how it's less of a value than the next step up in the GTX 1050 (well... under normal circumstances anyway...), as THOSE are good reasons, but not the ones given.

You're absolutely right, I can't compare used to new, so it's not fair.

But, if one has the option to buy a used GPU, that is 2-3x better for the same money, why wouldn't you? (If it's a lower end part like a 480/580/590/970/980, not so much for latest generation x70+ cards, since you would want warranty and stuff like that on those cards, since it's new generation, and you can experience a number of issues (just look at the past 2 from Nvidia, 20 series had VRAM issues, and 30 series had Driver/Capacitor issues.)
With used cards, you can visually inspect them, have the owner run a benchmark to prove that it works properly before you buy it.

A used 970 costs about the same as a brand new 1030 right now, and I remember, before the latest increase in crypto prices, 970's were going for about 90 pounds, which was something similar to the 1030 at the time, so it did have good value, even for a used part.

I can understand buying for a warranty, and risks, well I can see that too, but you do inspect the GPUs (preferably, or buy from a buyer protected site, like Ebay) before you buy them.
But, to me, I don't personally think something that low value is worth worry about warranty for, though I do get people have a habit of making things do what they're not meant to, or are clumsy and break things, I personally take care of what I own, to the best of my ability, so not much breaks, or has issues, I could see myself worrying about warranty on a GPU that costs say, 300+ pounds, but for something like a used 970, not worth worrying about, in my opinion. But, again, I can see why people would.

Form factor, kind of a moot point, if you're building a 'gaming pc' you're most likely going to have a full ATX case, so you won't really have issues fitting any GPUs in. And if you're going to be looking for a small form factor case, power of a component would be secondary.

PSU, I can see again, but most people, even on the lower end, can power a 470/580/590/970, it doesn't use that much power. You're going to use like ~200w at most, most power supplies can handle that, unless they're very old office computers, which, you realistically wouldn't put a card like this in.

CPU bottleneck is kind of moot too, because even with a bottleneck, you're going to get more for your money with a used 970 power card. You can always use other methods to reduce the CPU load to improve performance (Such as frame limiting with RTSS, this will still provide a higher framrate than the 1030, and be much smoother.)

There are a few low profile GPUs, 1650, 1050ti, 1050, 1030, RX 560, and the other 700 series LP cards.
So, if you're looking for something that's small, and powerful, there are more options than just the 1030.


I'm not here to ♥♥♥♥ all over the card, it does have a place, and a reason, the issue I have with it is people parading it's name around saying it's the holy grail of low end gaming, when it's far from it, it's mediocre at best, and there are many far better options. It's very over rated, and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ -- Akin to the GT 710, same power as iGPUs back in the day, only really served as a display adaptor.
You don't see people going around claiming that the GT 710 is a perfect card that could do all you needed, do you? Because it doesn't. It's a lower end video adaptor.


Now, I'm not saying people shouldn't be happy with owning one, or that they should throw it in the trash, because it's a card, it works, probably better than the iGPU of the GPU you're pairing with it (because no one who can buy latest gen Intel would be buying a GPU like that.)
So, it's usable, if gives a performance increase, and you should enjoy it.

[Illusion of Progress]

Autumn_ の投稿を引用：

You're absolutely right, I can't compare used to new, so it's not fair.

But, if one has the option to buy a used GPU, that is 2-3x better for the same money, why wouldn't you? (If it's a lower end part like a 480/580/590/970/980, not so much for latest generation x70+ cards, since you would want warranty and stuff like that on those cards, since it's new generation, and you can experience a number of issues (just look at the past 2 from Nvidia, 20 series had VRAM issues, and 30 series had Driver/Capacitor issues.)
With used cards, you can visually inspect them, have the owner run a benchmark to prove that it works properly before you buy it.

A used 970 costs about the same as a brand new 1030 right now, and I remember, before the latest increase in crypto prices, 970's were going for about 90 pounds, which was something similar to the 1030 at the time, so it did have good value, even for a used part.

I can understand buying for a warranty, and risks, well I can see that too, but you do inspect the GPUs (preferably, or buy from a buyer protected site, like Ebay) before you buy them.
But, to me, I don't personally think something that low value is worth worry about warranty for, though I do get people have a habit of making things do what they're not meant to, or are clumsy and break things, I personally take care of what I own, to the best of my ability, so not much breaks, or has issues, I could see myself worrying about warranty on a GPU that costs say, 300+ pounds, but for something like a used 970, not worth worrying about, in my opinion. But, again, I can see why people would.

Well, if you're looking at used GTX 970 prices, you have to look at used GT 1030 prices. That was more my point; compare like for like. I'm not necessarily saying used pricing isn't something you can consider, as it's a real world thing, and many people are perfectly okay going with used.

But where are you finding them the same price anyway? On eBay, I'm not seeing used GTX 970 prices anywhere near as low as GT 1030 prices (more like twice the price or more, using buy it now in my locale), but I admit that's but one source. Still, unless it's a massive outlier, I'd be surprised if you can reliably find them going for the same price in today's market. I went to look, hoping I was oblivious to some deals and be pleasantly surprised, but alas. If I found something that cheap with that level of performance, I'd probably consider it for a nephew who's relying on a GTX 650 w/ 1 GB VRAM (which is a bit below even the GT 1030).

Autumn_ の投稿を引用：

Form factor, kind of a moot point, if you're building a 'gaming pc' you're most likely going to have a full ATX case, so you won't really have issues fitting any GPUs in. And if you're going to be looking for a small form factor case, power of a component would be secondary.

PSU, I can see again, but most people, even on the lower end, can power a 470/580/590/970, it doesn't use that much power. You're going to use like ~200w at most, most power supplies can handle that, unless they're very old office computers, which, you realistically wouldn't put a card like this in.

It's not moot though. You physically can't get a full size card in small form factor cases. You can't confidently run it on inadequate PSUs. There's heat output to consider. You're still not seeing who the intended target of the card is. It's not for people building custom, full size PCs from the ground up today. I agree with you there; nobody should be putting GT 1030s in custom built, full ATX, gaming PCs (well, not normally; today's FUBAR market calls for desperate temporary measures sometimes).

I fully agree with you on that. I'm talking about people with OEMs and/or small factors on outdated platforms using slow CPUs by today's standard with absolutely horrible IGPs or older basic level GPUs, but that still otherwise work for their intended role (or do well "good enough" to where the budget can't be stretched to do a more extensive replacement). I'm a firm believer of reducing waste and my HTPC is an absolutely ancient OptiPlex 380 that still works great. The GT 1030 that I got for $85 was a fine addition to it.

Autumn_ の投稿を引用：

There are a few low profile GPUs, 1650, 1050ti, 1050, 1030, RX 560, and the other 700 series LP cards.
So, if you're looking for something that's small, and powerful, there are more options than just the 1030.

I did mention the GTX 1650, but yeah I missed the GTX 1050/Ti. But those will use more power (and be more expensive), and even the GT 1030 is seeing price hikes in places now, though it can still be found below $100 reliably.

Autumn_ の投稿を引用：

I'm not here to ♥♥♥♥ all over the card, it does have a place, and a reason, the issue I have with it is people parading it's name around saying it's the holy grail of low end gaming, when it's far from it, it's mediocre at best, and there are many far better options. It's very over rated, and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ -- Akin to the GT 710, same power as iGPUs back in the day, only really served as a display adaptor.
You don't see people going around claiming that the GT 710 is a perfect card that could do all you needed, do you? Because it doesn't. It's a lower end video adaptor.

Oh, I must have missed that. I never saw it heralded as some great gaming underdog. If you witnessed that repeatedly, yeah I could see it souring you on it. At the same time, I sort of see why. Mining situation first time around hit when Pascal was coming around, so it was probably the poor person's go-to buy then. Three years (or so) later and here we are again.

But yeah, ideally, this card should not be a replacement for a gaming GPU in a full size, proper custom PC. Traditionally, the x50 (mayyybe sometimes x40) would be the lowest you'd want to go for entry level gaming, but some of the "basic" level cards (x30 and below) haven't been too awful. The GT 220 (somehow better than the GT 520...), GT 240, GT 430 (128-bit), GT 730 (and 740) and GT 1030 itself come to mind. These are traditionally half to two-thirds the cost of the x50 tier GPUs. They're fine for those who want sub-$100 options.

The GT 710 was awful; not even the same type of GPU as a GT 1030. The GT 710 was worse than the GT 430 I had, and the GT 1030 is three times faster than THAT. Not even close. I know to us even at the mid-range, these low end cards are all "garbage" and "basic display adapters", but there's still a difference between what was intended as a $39 x10 tier GPU and a $79 x30 tier GPU. As someone who's dealt with an unhealthy number of those low profile, basic tier GPUs in low profile PCs, the ones like G 210, GT 520/GT 610 (same thing) and GT 710 were far below the ones I mentioned above. nVidia was famous for re-releasing the same GPU in the same configuration under two or three model numbers too.

In conclusion, I'm not trying to defend the GT 1030 as some low end gaming savior; it IS a low end "garbage tier" (for those even like me who desire mid-range and not even high end) GPU. My only issue is that it's getting flak by people who don't seem to understand the roles it's intended to serve by saying it's bad at being something it's not really supposed to be.

[tonimark]

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dOBER の投稿を引用：

Underrated why? I mean its so bad even igpus like intel HD 750 are now faster then this multimedia card.

I remember the Intel blurb on 11th gen desktop cpus saying integrated graphics up to 50% better than the current UHD 630. We shall see when the reviews come out soon.

I think anything i5 11500 and above comes with UHD 750 and UHD 730 for the 11400. The i3 line up is only a refresh of comet lake.

idk if a new pair of motherboard and CPU would be cheaper , BUT IF THE SITUATION IS OUT OF CONTROL (overpriced gpu) the rocket lake i5 may offer better much better value for graphics power compare to graphics cards who knows , now that awesome good intergrated graphics are bright new and expensive

[Autumn_]

Illusion of Progress の投稿を引用：

Autumn_ の投稿を引用：

You're absolutely right, I can't compare used to new, so it's not fair.

But, if one has the option to buy a used GPU, that is 2-3x better for the same money, why wouldn't you? (If it's a lower end part like a 480/580/590/970/980, not so much for latest generation x70+ cards, since you would want warranty and stuff like that on those cards, since it's new generation, and you can experience a number of issues (just look at the past 2 from Nvidia, 20 series had VRAM issues, and 30 series had Driver/Capacitor issues.)
With used cards, you can visually inspect them, have the owner run a benchmark to prove that it works properly before you buy it.

A used 970 costs about the same as a brand new 1030 right now, and I remember, before the latest increase in crypto prices, 970's were going for about 90 pounds, which was something similar to the 1030 at the time, so it did have good value, even for a used part.

I can understand buying for a warranty, and risks, well I can see that too, but you do inspect the GPUs (preferably, or buy from a buyer protected site, like Ebay) before you buy them.
But, to me, I don't personally think something that low value is worth worry about warranty for, though I do get people have a habit of making things do what they're not meant to, or are clumsy and break things, I personally take care of what I own, to the best of my ability, so not much breaks, or has issues, I could see myself worrying about warranty on a GPU that costs say, 300+ pounds, but for something like a used 970, not worth worrying about, in my opinion. But, again, I can see why people would.

Well, if you're looking at used GTX 970 prices, you have to look at used GT 1030 prices. That was more my point; compare like for like. I'm not necessarily saying used pricing isn't something you can consider, as it's a real world thing, and many people are perfectly okay going with used.

But where are you finding them the same price anyway? On eBay, I'm not seeing used GTX 970 prices anywhere near as low as GT 1030 prices (more like twice the price or more, using buy it now in my locale), but I admit that's but one source. Still, unless it's a massive outlier, I'd be surprised if you can reliably find them going for the same price in today's market. I went to look, hoping I was oblivious to some deals and be pleasantly surprised, but alas. If I found something that cheap with that level of performance, I'd probably consider it for a nephew who's relying on a GTX 650 w/ 1 GB VRAM (which is a bit below even the GT 1030).

Autumn_ の投稿を引用：

Form factor, kind of a moot point, if you're building a 'gaming pc' you're most likely going to have a full ATX case, so you won't really have issues fitting any GPUs in. And if you're going to be looking for a small form factor case, power of a component would be secondary.

PSU, I can see again, but most people, even on the lower end, can power a 470/580/590/970, it doesn't use that much power. You're going to use like ~200w at most, most power supplies can handle that, unless they're very old office computers, which, you realistically wouldn't put a card like this in.

It's not moot though. You physically can't get a full size card in small form factor cases. You can't confidently run it on inadequate PSUs. There's heat output to consider. You're still not seeing who the intended target of the card is. It's not for people building custom, full size PCs from the ground up today. I agree with you there; nobody should be putting GT 1030s in custom built, full ATX, gaming PCs (well, not normally; today's FUBAR market calls for desperate temporary measures sometimes).

I fully agree with you on that. I'm talking about people with OEMs and/or small factors on outdated platforms using slow CPUs by today's standard with absolutely horrible IGPs or older basic level GPUs, but that still otherwise work for their intended role (or do well "good enough" to where the budget can't be stretched to do a more extensive replacement). I'm a firm believer of reducing waste and my HTPC is an absolutely ancient OptiPlex 380 that still works great. The GT 1030 that I got for $85 was a fine addition to it.

Autumn_ の投稿を引用：

There are a few low profile GPUs, 1650, 1050ti, 1050, 1030, RX 560, and the other 700 series LP cards.
So, if you're looking for something that's small, and powerful, there are more options than just the 1030.

I did mention the GTX 1650, but yeah I missed the GTX 1050/Ti. But those will use more power (and be more expensive), and even the GT 1030 is seeing price hikes in places now, though it can still be found below $100 reliably.

Autumn_ の投稿を引用：

I'm not here to ♥♥♥♥ all over the card, it does have a place, and a reason, the issue I have with it is people parading it's name around saying it's the holy grail of low end gaming, when it's far from it, it's mediocre at best, and there are many far better options. It's very over rated, and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ -- Akin to the GT 710, same power as iGPUs back in the day, only really served as a display adaptor.
You don't see people going around claiming that the GT 710 is a perfect card that could do all you needed, do you? Because it doesn't. It's a lower end video adaptor.

Oh, I must have missed that. I never saw it heralded as some great gaming underdog. If you witnessed that repeatedly, yeah I could see it souring you on it. At the same time, I sort of see why. Mining situation first time around hit when Pascal was coming around, so it was probably the poor person's go-to buy then. Three years (or so) later and here we are again.

But yeah, ideally, this card should not be a replacement for a gaming GPU in a full size, proper custom PC. Traditionally, the x50 (mayyybe sometimes x40) would be the lowest you'd want to go for entry level gaming, but some of the "basic" level cards (x30 and below) haven't been too awful. The GT 220 (somehow better than the GT 520...), GT 240, GT 430 (128-bit), GT 730 (and 740) and GT 1030 itself come to mind. These are traditionally half to two-thirds the cost of the x50 tier GPUs. They're fine for those who want sub-$100 options.

The GT 710 was awful; not even the same type of GPU as a GT 1030. The GT 710 was worse than the GT 430 I had, and the GT 1030 is three times faster than THAT. Not even close. I know to us even at the mid-range, these low end cards are all "garbage" and "basic display adapters", but there's still a difference between what was intended as a $39 x10 tier GPU and a $79 x30 tier GPU. As someone who's dealt with an unhealthy number of those low profile, basic tier GPUs in low profile PCs, the ones like G 210, GT 520/GT 610 (same thing) and GT 710 were far below the ones I mentioned above. nVidia was famous for re-releasing the same GPU in the same configuration under two or three model numbers too.

In conclusion, I'm not trying to defend the GT 1030 as some low end gaming savior; it IS a low end "garbage tier" (for those even like me who desire mid-range and not even high end) GPU. My only issue is that it's getting flak by people who don't seem to understand the roles it's intended to serve by saying it's bad at being something it's not really supposed to be.

Again, you do have a point, used to used is also a fair comparison;
On Ebay, buy it now price (since I assume most people would be buying like that, because I would), the cheapest (what looks to be legit) GT 1030 costs ~85 pounds, which is slightly cheaper than new, still, not worth the cost, since the GT 1030 costs ~110 on Amazon, which is where I would personally prefer to shop, and on OCUK they (2 items) are 98 pound.
I must admit, I was wrong about current USED 970 pricing, I didn't look properly, the parts that were ~100 pound are in-fact spare-or-repairs/parts only, the actual usable cards start at the 180 pounds range, which is considerably more expensive, so that was my mistake, sorry.
Though, I still believe, even at that price (which is more than twice what they used to go for, before the latest crypto increase) they are still better value than the GT 1030, even holding value against 1050 Ti's, which are going for ~200+ (ignoring all the obviously fake ones.)

You're paying ~1.8x the price, and getting ~2.5-3x the performance.

If you have a SFF build, or old SFF office PC, you wouldn't be going for brilliant performance, because you would have compact size (which is a tradeoff you make, at the loss of performance), or a weak PC that is cheap.
So, if you're looking for a 'good gaming rig', these wouldn't be the thing you're looking for.
Something to mention though, you can get SFF builds that accept a lot of fullsize GPUs, and retain the small size, so, by buying a proper SFF case, you can use proper parts.

I see the target audience, and they have other options, because the GT 1030 is a kind of pointless card -- It's for either people looking for display adaptors, or very low end gamers.
For low end gamers, there are much better parts for the money, GTX 1050/Ti being a much better choice, and still having the LP compatibility for the few that do need it.
For the ones looking for a display adaptor, the GT 710, GT 720, GT 730, will all be much better cards (because they are cheaper) - people that want a display adaptor aren't going to need DP, because they're not pushing high refresh rates, and HDMI can output 2160p@60hz, so that's fine.

As for the PSU thing, again, you're not going to be pulling much power <200w, any modern PSU can handle that, even a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ 400w unit. With a frame limiter (which people should be doing regardless), you will pull less, not significantly, but still. Hardly a problem for the majority of PCs.

Again, even on older platforms (bottlenecking), you're still going to get more for your money with a 970 or the likes, and for the SFF/OEM systems, there's better options too, like the 1050/Ti.
A 1030 could be an alright choice if there is nothing else available, but, while other cards are still available, then it's a poor choice.

About the 1050ti LP using more power, it still sits in the 75w limit of PCI-e, and can be run off the slot just fine, which basically anything should support, even old office PCs with ♥♥♥♥ TIER PSUs.

I can understand your view of it being alright, but, I just don't agree with it, it's an odd card to me, and, it's not terrible for what it is, if I was really that restricted on budget, I would be alright with getting one too, but if a person can save for just a little longer, they can get a much better card, even for SFF builds.
My problem really isn't with the card, but the people who claim it's something it's not, that said, I wouldn't ever recommend it.

I may be overly biased to higher end parts (Midrange+), so everything weaker than a x60 card is kind of pointless to me, except as a display adaptor. And not being paticularly wealthy myself, I do see things from the 'poor point of view', but even then, to me, it's very hard to justify a 1030.

I can understand the place it's marketed for, but it just doesn't do that very well, for the money. If it was 60 pound, I could understand, on a stretch, for 50, I'd say it's fair enough, but at it's current ~100 pound, not worth it in the slightest (Unless there was ABSOLUTELY no other option, which, now, seems like there's fewer by the day.)

[Lord Flashheart]

Pacman5151 の投稿を引用：

I think GT 1030 is underrated. What PC part do you think is underrated?

Well for games it is pretty bad.
If you want good video playback on a fairly old machine with very bad intel graphics, then it is a good choice.

My older machine, with an i7-3770k is actually very good for a NAS with some virtual machines.

[Illusion of Progress]

Autumn_ の投稿を引用：

Again, you do have a point, used to used is also a fair comparison;
On Ebay, buy it now price (since I assume most people would be buying like that, because I would), the cheapest (what looks to be legit) GT 1030 costs ~85 pounds, which is slightly cheaper than new, still, not worth the cost, since the GT 1030 costs ~110 on Amazon, which is where I would personally prefer to shop, and on OCUK they (2 items) are 98 pound.
I must admit, I was wrong about current USED 970 pricing, I didn't look properly, the parts that were ~100 pound are in-fact spare-or-repairs/parts only, the actual usable cards start at the 180 pounds range, which is considerably more expensive, so that was my mistake, sorry.
Though, I still believe, even at that price (which is more than twice what they used to go for, before the latest crypto increase) they are still better value than the GT 1030, even holding value against 1050 Ti's, which are going for ~200+ (ignoring all the obviously fake ones.)

You're paying ~1.8x the price, and getting ~2.5-3x the performance.

No worries; it happens. Today's GPU market is so crazy that it's understandable.

Like I said, when you mentioned used GTX 970s for the price of GT 1030s, I presumed either the former was MUCH lower than I thought, that the latter had increased in price even more, or some combination, and sped off to some sites to look at pricing.

And yeah on that last bit, like I (think?) I mentioned before, low end has the same aspect the high end does in that it's not as good at performance for the price. Mid-range is always the best there. Top end serves absolute performance at a high price premium, and bottom end is lowest up front cost but you get much, much less performance as a result.

Autumn_ の投稿を引用：

I see the target audience, and they have other options, because the GT 1030 is a kind of pointless card -- It's for either people looking for display adaptors, or very low end gamers.
For low end gamers, there are much better parts for the money, GTX 1050/Ti being a much better choice, and still having the LP compatibility for the few that do need it.
For the ones looking for a display adaptor, the GT 710, GT 720, GT 730, will all be much better cards (because they are cheaper) - people that want a display adaptor aren't going to need DP, because they're not pushing high refresh rates, and HDMI can output 2160p@60hz, so that's fine.

The GTX 1050/Ti are more expensive though. Yes, they offer more performance for the price, but that is NOT the only factor that matters or we'd all be buying xx60s (give or take) all the time. I mean, that is one of the most popular segments, and I fall into that category myself, but there are people out there with STRICT and LOW budgets.

It will also use more power, produce more heat, and may not work in as many small form factor PCs.

If you still don't see the target audience, let me offer my own example. My HTPC is an ancient OptiPlex 380 "desktop" form factor (there's two small factors for the OptiPlex PCs of that era; one is really small, and the other less so). The "actual" SFF might not even take dual slot cards; I can't remember. The desktop form factor I have will (and only if the actual I/O bracket is single slot because this is BTX-like), but you still have that 235W PSU (and heat) to worry about. Granted, my particular situation seems to be cooling the Core 2 Quad and that GPU off of a SINGLE intake fan that doubles as CPU cooling admirably, so something like a GTX 1050 may have worked for me; not sure. There's definitely places where it won't, though.

Plus, there's cost (this is largely why I settled on it). What is a GTX 1050/Ti going for in today's market? I got that GT 1030 in new condition for $84.99. It replaced a GT 430 (so this why I didn't just got a GT 710 or something; it'd be paying to go backwards).

I use this PC merely connected to an equally old HDTV for streaming, but it sees light gaming on the side. Less these days, as my nephew brings his PC over now instead of using it when he visits, but it still sometimes sees it. Even light games (think League of Legends, Minecraft, other light 2D or indie games when I want to plug a controller in on the couch, etc.) saw pretty big uplifts. The GT 430 couldn't even max League of Legends, infamously known to run on anything, at 720p; no way a GT 710 is. But while it seems some gaming, it's not enough to justify twice (or more) the cost. I like to go for the $59.99 to $79.99-ish range for it every few years as I don't use it for gaming much. The GT 1030 has worked well for me. I figure the PC itself will possibly be replaced by time another GPU change is done, but it's working fine otherwise right now, so why spend much more now replacing the whole thing? As said, I like to try and reduce waste if I don't need to.

Autumn_ の投稿を引用：

Again, even on older platforms (bottlenecking), you're still going to get more for your money with a 970 or the likes...

Heavily agree with you here. I think "CPU bottlenecking" is a bit overstated these days (such as saying "CPU A is 10% faster so you're wasting GPU A if you use it on CPU B). Don't get me wrong; you're missing out on extra performance when it occurs, but... you're missing out on extra performance anyway when GPU bottlenecking occurs too. It's worth being aware of what bottlenecking is and to try and have a somewhat NOT totally imbalanced system for your own needs, but I agree with you here, and also subscribe to the idea (in SOME cases) that GPU overhead is not always a waste, per se.

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About the 1050ti LP using more power, it still sits in the 75w limit of PCI-e, and can be run off the slot just fine, which basically anything should support, even old office PCs with ♥♥♥♥ TIER PSUs.

How much does it actually use, though? Not sure off hand myself, so I'm actually asking, but I know a GT 430 and GT 1030 were merely ~30W cards. If it actually uses near 75W, that's still twice as much. Again, it's a mere 45W more at most, but when you've got a decade old 235W PSU that is good for who knows what, and a Core 2 Quad with a 95W TDP alone (I know this doesn't mean power used; it could be less or even more), you like to push it less if you can. Might it still have worked for my case? Maybe, but I didn't want to spend up anyway.

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I can understand your view of it being alright, but, I just don't agree with it, it's an odd card to me, and, it's not terrible for what it is, if I was really that restricted on budget, I would be alright with getting one too, but if a person can save for just a little longer, they can get a much better card, even for SFF builds.
My problem really isn't with the card, but the people who claim it's something it's not, that said, I wouldn't ever recommend it.

I get that last part.

And, if I had to take a guess, your first part comes down to "it's a strange middle ground card; either get a cheaper basic display adapter if you don't need anything more, or something more capable if you do" which... isn't bad logic so I sort of get where you're coming from, but the reality is, at the low end price segment (which is much more price sensitive than you think; they don't think of how long it will last before needing replaced or performance for the dollar ratios; JUST up front cost while being good enough), it fills a space that actually does serve some people.

It also sounds like it's a bit more expensive in your neck of the woods. At $100+ (let alone pounds), yeah, it's a much harder recommendation. It was supposed to be a $79.99 GPU (the GT 710 was supposed to be $39.99 IIRC, but look where it ended up), but some cost in added by the manufacturers on design, trying to make profit, etc. I guess, so it's usually a bit higher. I got mine for $5 more so I felt it was okay for the cost.

[sawdust3d]

1070ti and the AMD 1600af

[Illusion of Progress]

sawdust3d の投稿を引用：

1070ti and the AMD 1600af

Wasn't the 1600 AF a very popular and praised chip though? That's sort of the opposite of underrated.

For example, I'd say the Core i5 10400/F was underrated early on, but then people seemed to take notice of it (though, to be fair, the Ryzen 5 3600 went up in price so that's likely why).

[upcoast]

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sawdust3d の投稿を引用：

1070ti and the AMD 1600af

Wasn't the 1600 AF a very popular and praised chip though? That's sort of the opposite of underrated.

For example, I'd say the Core i5 10400/F was underrated early on, but then people seemed to take notice of it (though, to be fair, the Ryzen 5 3600 went up in price so that's likely why).

It is much the same core and performance as the 2600.

I can see where underrated is subjective I also don't get your logic that because the cheap 1600af was popular it is not underrated vs an equally low budget / popular 10400f warrants the underrated tag.

[Illusion of Progress]

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It is much the same core and performance as the 2600.

I can see where underrated is subjective I also don't get your logic that because the cheap 1600af was popular it is not underrated vs an equally low budget / popular 10400f warrants the underrated tag.

Eh? I know that the 1600AF was a Zen+ hex core at a vastly reduced price. My point was that it was incredibly popular and praised as a result; is that not the opposite of underrated? The two things conflict in my mind, so I'm just asking how the 1600AF was ever underrated.

The 10400/F was merely given as an example of a CPU that was sort of ignored for a while, despite being one of the best budget hex core options (it was simply overshadowed by the even better Ryzen 5 3600/X until it went up in price, and the 10400/F itself came down a bit). So I was listing it as an example of something you could better say was (once) underrated. Yes it's more popular now so I wouldn't call it that anymore.

[tonimark]

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I'm noticing under rated is getting lost or misused , gt 1030 shouldn't be glorified because it can play much older games well it was bad on release and even worse now.

it was a entry level GPU from 2017 with gddr5 (it was downgraded to a point with ddr4 memory instead but now its back) sadly its too old to play any newer titles , SADLY its the only reasonable priced card for gaming right now due to shortage SADLY i own this crap and can't afford an upgrade

[upcoast]

I still say underrated is being misapplied and has nothing to do with price.

[carl]

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I remember the Intel blurb on 11th gen desktop cpus saying integrated graphics up to 50% better than the current UHD 630. We shall see when the reviews come out soon.

I think anything i5 11500 and above comes with UHD 750 and UHD 730 for the 11400. The i3 line up is only a refresh of comet lake.

idk if a new pair of motherboard and CPU would be cheaper , BUT IF THE SITUATION IS OUT OF CONTROL (overpriced gpu) the rocket lake i5 may offer better much better value for graphics power compare to graphics cards who knows , now that awesome good intergrated graphics are bright new and expensive

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/intel-11th-generation-rocket-lake-s-gaming-cpus-did-not-impress-us/

About halfway through the review article...

Rocket Lake-S gets a small but noticeable upgrade to its integrated graphics performance—the 10th-generation Core CPU's UHD 630 graphics gets bumped up to UHD 750. While it is an improvement, it's nothing to write home about—if you were hoping for an equivalent to Intel's Iris Xe graphics in Tiger Lake laptop CPUs (or AMD's Vega 11 in desktop APUs) you'll be sorely disappointed.

[Illusion of Progress]

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I still say underrated is being misapplied and has nothing to do with price.

I wouldn't say NOTHING, since something with a good price to performance ratio that isn't expensive is bound to be popular and praised, and this is sort of the exact opposite of underrated... but yes, it doesn't entirely hinge on price.

Underrated (IMO) would be something that is, quite literally, given a worse reputation ("rating") than you think it deserves and/or is given less attention than you think it deserves, and that can happen regardless of price.