GPU apocalypse: end of pc gaming?

[HHH33]

At this point it's obvious amd and nvidia do not care about gamers, otherwise there would be a better way for gamers to get videocards. Is it time to write off pc gaming for good? Not trolling, sincere, i just searched microcenter and you have to show up in person to buy literal garbage cards, it's pathetic.

[Chill-Out-Zone]

Next year dude. (If Sars get under control.). We need silicon parts right now.

[Lord Flashheart]

Err no. Maybe look at the news. There is a global health related thing happening. It is causing issues with a lot of goods, especially electronics. It will not last forever.

[HHH33]

Originally posted by Dr StrangeGlove:

Err no. Maybe look at the news. There is a global health related thing happening. It is causing issues with a lot of goods, especially electronics. It will not last forever.

don't you think delta's going to be a problem? weird things are going on, like shortages of motor oil, yeah i know that's not chips but still

[timltimmy]

No. It may change a little but it is not the end.

[Supafly]

Retailers are holding GPU for days, some even weeks, now. As they are not immediately selling out for scalpers and mining I think prices will start to fall as stock goes up. Only a matter of time. Only retailer that sells the founders edition GPU had a bunch in last week. While they sold out fairly quickly they were sold at Nvidia RRP for them.

[Magma Dragoon]

One of the major reasons for the extreme shortages is that many people who previously spent all their disposable income going to concerts, bar hopping, dining out, traveling, etc... instead bought and built gaming PCs. So while some existing PC gamers priced out of the PC market, there was an influx of people who have had their leisure alternatives taken away by government fiat. Overall it was a net gain.

[Kobs]

Originally posted by Magma Dragoon:

One of the major reasons for the extreme shortages is that many people who previously spent all their disposable income going to concerts, bar hopping, dining out, traveling, etc... instead bought and built gaming PCs. So while some existing PC gamers priced out of the PC market, there was an influx of people who have had their leisure alternatives taken away by government fiat. Overall it was a net gain.

Since the effin virus everything went to hell, have you tried to buy a bicycle this summer? Or anything related to the outside.. every shelf is empty, peoples who were in their working routine (and that's about 3/4 of the population) were faced with "too much time on their hands" and bought everything like a swarm of locusts, plus no one was working so stocked items melted like snow in hell and since no one was working to replenish that....you get the result
It will come back slowly you just have to be patient

[plat]

At this point, people are speculating left and right, and making predictions that this or that will be available at this or that time. But the bottom line is: no one knows for sure. There's a lot of secrecy going on.

New cars are hard-hit too. Anything that's considered "smart." Nothing anyone can do about it.

[nullable]

Originally posted by HHH33:

Originally posted by Dr StrangeGlove:

Err no. Maybe look at the news. There is a global health related thing happening. It is causing issues with a lot of goods, especially electronics. It will not last forever.

don't you think delta's going to be a problem? weird things are going on, like shortages of motor oil, yeah i know that's not chips but still

When you've always lived in a world of plenty and everything has run fairly smoothly, the first hiccups can seem like a catastrophe.

Pandemics pass. Things return to normal. Nothing lasts forever.

At the moment I'm not seeing the global collapse of civilization. But the world economy and supply chain is huge and it takes a long time to shift gears, get up to speed, shift gears again and get back to normal. Not everything is going to happen according to a timeline we as an individual might find convenient or reasonable.

In the case of GPU's the perfect storm of supply chain issues and a crypto currency bubble really hit us at the worst possible time in the worst possible way. But in a year or two we'll all be like, "Remember how insane it was? I never thought things would normalize."

[Guydodge]

while its nice to be spoon fed.you'll have to feed yourself for awhile.yes they are hard
to get.you'll have to actually get off your ass and find one ive managed to get
2 of them and passed on 2 others bottom line be persistent.

[Agent]

Scalpers ruin everything

[Illusion of Progress]

Originally posted by Snakub Plissken:

At the moment I'm not seeing the global collapse of civilization. But the world economy and supply chain is huge and it takes a long time to shift gears, get up to speed, shift gears again and get back to normal. Not everything is going to happen according to a timeline we as an individual might find convenient or reasonable.

In the case of GPU's the perfect storm of supply chain issues and a crypto currency bubble really hit us at the worst possible time in the worst possible way. But in a year or two we'll all be like, "Remember how insane it was? I never thought things would normalize."

This first paragraph especially can't be stated enough, and it doesn't get mentioned enough. Everyone refers to "not enough workers because of shutdowns" or "too many people buying on the governments leisure" and it just shows how few understand the wider network of things. People may have heard the term "just in time" and it refers to this especially. It works great with high efficiency and low overstock when it works well... until it doesn't. There's a few videos on Youtube describing this and how Toyota sort of inspired it, some even describing the issue with the shortages relating to automobiles (or chips as a whole) due to it today.

Everyone is pointing to "shortages" like nothing is being made but this isn't the whole story. It is true that supply was disrupted, but something is only a shortage if it doesn't meet demand. After all, if you make 10 of something per day, but demand is for a few of week, do you have a shortage? No.

In the case of automobiles, they canceled a lot of orders, expecting a drop in demand... which did occur... until it didn't. Demand spiked right back afterwards and it was unexpected, and they've been trying to catch up ever since. Worse, the parts were for semiconductor chips, which have a limited production capacity as only a few exist in the world. It's not merely "parts shortage" but a production bottleneck as it was made around "just in time" and nobody was going to build excess plants years ago they didn't need as these things cost billions of dollars to make, hundreds of millions if not billions to operate over a few years, and nearly half a decade to construct. And the thing is, when the plants take orders, they take months to fulfill them as it is a long process in making chips. Try doing that on a timeline where there literally isn't enough time in the schedule.

In the case of GPUs, as I mentioned above, they have been racing to play catch up since the issue with automobiles, which is squeezing time that is shared making everything else with chips. Then, add to that the issues with supply (and Taiwan having droughts, etc.), the increased demand (Etherium doesn't get enough blame here, but then you do also have more people staying at home needing devices to do work or school from home, and most of this is probably going towards laptops [webcams had a shortage when this first began] rather than custom built PCs but it's also straining the same supply line anyway).

In short, "the supply chain was disrupted" and yes it's going to take many months/couple years along with drops in demand (or building or new factories, which take years and years) to get better at equalizing it.

As for PC gaming, is this the end? No. There could be the effect of less incentive to make broader scale games that need hardware that few people have until the average goes up, but that's more of a hiccup than the end.

[tonimark]

Originally posted by HHH33:

At this point it's obvious amd and nvidia do not care about gamers, otherwise there would be a better way for gamers to get videocards. Is it time to write off pc gaming for good? Not trolling, sincere, i just searched microcenter and you have to show up in person to buy literal garbage cards, it's pathetic.

probably yes its true that companies like AMD and NVIDIA don't care about gamers this is a OLIGOPOLY PROBLEM! there are just not enough manufactures that supply gpu and so competition is much smaller compare to power supplies and motherboards just like there are 2 cpu manufactures (but since noone bought a new cpu old cpus are fine and age better) in graphics card with only 2 companies (intel has only DG1 no real competition yet) and need of frequent hardware change it is obvious that with any small crisis that <<greedy>> companies will ignore the avarage consumer and love on scalping (not action and OEM limited parts) because they get more profit out from the whole situation. in order to fix the shortage , create your own better and as good nvidia and AMD graphics card company that offers similar features (ray-traycing extreme,DLSS...) and performance and confirm that you are going to fine and ravenge every scalper and higher than MSRP pricing and maximizing production but its impossible these companies took many years to develop these LUXURIES

[nullable]

Well there's plenty of automobile manufacturers and they're all experiencing massive shortages. So how about that? You can pick any point you want and say, "this is it, this is the problem", and exclude all the other factors. It's weapons grade bolognium but you can easily convince yourself.

If base materials are scarce it doesn't matter how many manufacturers there are. That doesn't generate supply magically.

Besides the fact AMD and Nvidia have basically been it for the last fifteen years... we're not fifteen years into GPU shortages, and the current shortages have plenty of explanation that are really beyond AMD and Nvidia's control.

[timltimmy]

Originally posted by Snakub Plissken:

Originally posted by HHH33:

don't you think delta's going to be a problem? weird things are going on, like shortages of motor oil, yeah i know that's not chips but still

When you've always lived in a world of plenty and everything has run fairly smoothly, the first hiccups can seem like a catastrophe.

Pandemics pass. Things return to normal. Nothing lasts forever.

At the moment I'm not seeing the global collapse of civilization. But the world economy and supply chain is huge and it takes a long time to shift gears, get up to speed, shift gears again and get back to normal. Not everything is going to happen according to a timeline we as an individual might find convenient or reasonable.

In the case of GPU's the perfect storm of supply chain issues and a crypto currency bubble really hit us at the worst possible time in the worst possible way. But in a year or two we'll all be like, "Remember how insane it was? I never thought things would normalize."

Yep. Though there are some good things too about it.