Windows 11

[Woltato]

Microsoft have announced that Windows 11 is on the way. Just wondering how many of my games will suddenly and inexplicably stop working if I upgrade to Windows 11.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Publicado originalmente por Microsoft Sucks:

There is no way to tell. It’s just a part of PC gaming that some games will stop working once you upgrade your os, and I’ve had situations where games that didn’t work (LA Noire) actually started working once I upgraded to a new os 😂

Most normally tend to have a workaround anyway, either via compatibility mode or usermods so I wouldn’t worry too much.

LA Noire works just fine under Win7, 8, 8.1, 10 ... 64bit

Many simply leave all the defaults enabled in Win10 which is just wrong for a gaming PC.

Disable Cortana, Xbox and Game Capture, Game Mode, Full Screen Optimization, and set Games to ignore DPI Scaling options.

Changing TDR settings is a must also because these are set too low in Win8 and 10

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Old games will work via W11 as long MS don't goof backwards compatibility of course but I'm sure they won't mess with that as much so if works via W10 will work via W11.

Publicado originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

Windows 11 has so far shown the same compatability as 8.1/10

Except that 11 is way better. Where as 8 and 10 are junk

Idk about way better a bit of a stretch. But it's basically looks like a revamp of W10 IMO with new skin.

[Wampum Biskit]

PC Gamepass will probably require you to update to win11 , if you play games from it , especially newer ones , the same as the force to update builds to play some games on the gamepass.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Publicado originalmente por Wampum Biskit:

PC Gamepass will probably require you to update to win11 , if you play games from it , especially newer ones , the same as the force to update builds to play some games on the gamepass.

I assume by 2025 is when they cut people off from the store probably, or later for PC Gamepass, but I assume games using storage direct to GPU might be exclusive thing on Windows 11 but who knows what will happen in the future.

[Illusion of Progress]

Support for Windows 10 by most major things will last at least as long as Microsoft supports it, and probably longer. It depends on the size of the user base. Windows 7 is still supported by a lot of things, even though Microsoft dropped it.

I imagine there will be more holdouts than otherwise simply due to the TPM 2.0 requirements, although in 2025, Coffee Lake and second generation Ryzen will be like looking back on Haswell now (old, but still usable, so I do disagree with cutting them off but it will be old enough by then that most people will have moved on). Were it not for this, I imagine Windows 10 would be replaced about as fast as Windows 8/8.1 was, because it's just another Windows 8 with a new wrapper, like Windows 10 was, and it is a free update. But as it is, there will also be hardware reasons preventing upgrades, so this will likely keep Windows 10 rather relevant until around its end of support date, and even beyond, like Windows 7, though for totally different reasons.

[Si]

Publicado originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

Publicado originalmente por Microsoft Sucks:

There is no way to tell. It’s just a part of PC gaming that some games will stop working once you upgrade your os, and I’ve had situations where games that didn’t work (LA Noire) actually started working once I upgraded to a new os 😂

Most normally tend to have a workaround anyway, either via compatibility mode or usermods so I wouldn’t worry too much.

LA Noire works just fine under Win7, 8, 8.1, 10 ... 64bit

Many simply leave all the defaults enabled in Win10 which is just wrong for a gaming PC.

Disable Cortana, Xbox and Game Capture, Game Mode, Full Screen Optimization, and set Games to ignore DPI Scaling options.

Changing TDR settings is a must also because these are set too low in Win8 and 10

It wouldn’t run at all for me on W7 and I know a lot of others had the same problem.

Strangely one day it just started working which I put down to W10 but a lot of people have issues getting it to launch on W10

Which was my point that it’s always impossible to say what will work and what wont after an OS change.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Publicado originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Old games will work via W11 as long MS don't goof backwards compatibility of course but I'm sure they won't mess with that as much so if works via W10 will work via W11.

Publicado originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

Windows 11 has so far shown the same compatability as 8.1/10

Except that 11 is way better. Where as 8 and 10 are junk

Idk about way better a bit of a stretch. But it's basically revamp of W10 IMO with new skin.

It's not using the Win10 kernel. This new MS team came up with Win11 because much of the Win10 kernel source code was leaked. This allows basically every weakness and backdoor of Win10 to be public. So using an older kernel is simply not going to work moving forward. Just because some old visuals still remain doesn't mean it's a rescinded Win10. For example, things like the WINVER screen. As there was simply no reason to change such things.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Publicado originalmente por Microsoft Sucks:

Publicado originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

LA Noire works just fine under Win7, 8, 8.1, 10 ... 64bit

Many simply leave all the defaults enabled in Win10 which is just wrong for a gaming PC.

Disable Cortana, Xbox and Game Capture, Game Mode, Full Screen Optimization, and set Games to ignore DPI Scaling options.

Changing TDR settings is a must also because these are set too low in Win8 and 10

It wouldn’t run at all for me on W7 and I know a lot of others had the same problem.

Strangely one day it just started working which I put down to W10 but a lot of people have issues getting it to launch on W10

Which was my point that it’s always impossible to say what will work and what wont after an OS change.

Well I'm running the Win11 insider build since release day as a clean install. Even on a system without UEFI or TPM it works way better then 10 ever has. And I've taken the time to.load it up with all sorts of drivers and app, startup apps and background processes. Win10 is like Vista in comparison to 11

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Publicado originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

Publicado originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Old games will work via W11 as long MS don't goof backwards compatibility of course but I'm sure they won't mess with that as much so if works via W10 will work via W11.


Idk about way better a bit of a stretch. But it's basically revamp of W10 IMO with new skin.

It's not using the Win10 kernel. This new MS team came up with Win11 because much of the Win10 kernel source code was leaked. This allows basically every weakness and backdoor of Win10 to be public. So using an older kernel is simply not going to work moving forward. Just because some old visuals still remain doesn't mean it's a rescinded Win10. For example, things like the WINVER screen. As there was simply no reason to change such things.

I expected them not to use same kernel when pushing new OS which that be very silly, but IMO it basically look like a revamp W10 with new skin how I see it, not saying it is W10, sorry for misunderstanding. Anyways as long things supports apps that would work via W10, and so is a good sign for backware compatibility, but if for whatever resaon MS choose to kill of compatibility then that be whole another story that might not be very positive by many.

I need to correct my post above.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

But we would expect certain things to look untouched. Like how it has the very same Windows File Explorer as Win10.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Publicado originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

But we would expect certain things to look untouched. Like how it has the very same Windows File Explorer as Win10.

True, I mean it be good idea to try keep some similarities because last thing anyone wants is using new OS that throws them off like how Someone only uses Windows, and never use mac before, and you have to try it out for the 1st time, watching them how lost they get pretty quick, and same vice versa.

[Jeanca2]

wow and just I use windows 7

[Illusion of Progress]

Publicado originalmente por Jeanca2:

wow and just I use windows 7

To be honest I might be if it worked with my new hardware when I upgraded last year.

[plat]

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It's not using the Win10 kernel. This new MS team came up with Win11 because much of the Win10 kernel source code was leaked. This allows basically every weakness and backdoor of Win10 to be public.. [/quote]

I referred to Solarwinds before. Hence the heightened hardware security which is enforced to the end-user. Did they re-write the entire kernel? I think not. I do think more changes will be introduced gradually as Windows 11 evolves. Edit: if you disable PTT/TPM and Secure Boot, does your Windows 11 still run?

Too much change to the kernel will render a lot of software not yet tested on Windows 11 to now be incompatible with it. You don't want to shoot yourself in the foot too early.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(operating_system)

Re-edit: altering a Windows 11 ISO to run without TPM check for example involves swapping a Windows 10 .dll for the Windows 11 one. That's not at the kernel level. But like I said, more to come no doubt.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Publicado originalmente por plat:

Re-edit: altering a Windows 11 ISO to run without TPM check for example involves swapping a Windows 10 .dll for the Windows 11 one. That's not at the kernel level. But like I said, more to come no doubt.

There couple of ways replacement of .DLL, there editor for the .DLL, and there administrator CMD method can bring up during installation of Windows 11, where you can bypass checker for TPM, and secure boot requirement adding the two reg edit keys to tell the system to skip it, and that about it.

Far as anyone can tell at least with insider build doesn't seem to be any issues using much older hardware but that can change at any point when MS want to cause issue, and I doubt RTM will be the same if MS goes out of their way to blocking all possible methods, or even far as adding new checker that cause problems, but that be little extreme if MS goes that far just because someone wasn't using TPM, or secure boot which shouldn't be base on the functionality of the OS.