Is 3060 12 GB VRAM for $730 on eBay worth it?

[Iggy Wolf]

Seller doesn't allow returns but it is backed by eBay Money Back guarantee and card is brand new. I know it's $300-400 above MSRP, but then aren't most cards these days? Reviews were happy, only negatively rating the value, for obvious reasons.

[Agent]

引用自 Illusion of Progress：

引用自 The Hardware ʬhisperer™：

Most people that don't like the 3060 are usually salty about the cards vram. To me that's not a reason to dislike something. Besides, nvidia can only do 6gb or 12gb and they're not going to put 6gb again so.. I had cyber punk consuming 9gb of vram with 1080p and full rtx so it will use it.
Cheers

As someone who's not a major fan of the RTX 3060 series (especially the non-Ti), it's not because of the VRAM for me. It's because the midrange, the x60 tier in particular, is typically where the best value can be found. Not only is the RTX 3060 a relatively poor value, but the price points themselves have also gone up. IMO the RTX 3060 should be $249-ish and the RTX 3060 Ti should be occupying the $329 spot the non-Ti currently does. If this sounds crazy, remember that the x70 was at the $329 price point not many generations ago. But, the last half a decade has really shown me we are in changing times for GPUs.

By the way, not at ALL trying to ruin your enjoyment of something you clearly are happy with, which is all that matters, so I am happy for you on that. Just explaining why I feel the current RTX 3060 is not all that great because it's not really about the VRAM at all but rather the poor value, as I'm typically a midrange buyer who prioritizes that as I don't often have a lot of money to routinely spend on something like that. In the case of the RTX 3060 Ti, it's a better value, but it's priced rather high for the midrange and is "iffy" on VRAM. So most people are basically against it because it's barely a mid-range product in price while bringing up the performance a bit lower than it should have. Not "awful" mind you, but definitely not great at what the product segment is usually good at.

It's never going lower than that. This is the new price point, and it's still better value than Turing that's for damn sure.

[Adam Beckett]

RTX 3060

is the successor of the

RTX 2060

which was 300-350 bucks 2 years ago and is the successor of the

GTX 1060

which was 300 bucks 5 years ago.


...

... does anyone else see the pattern?

How on God's Earth can the 3060 be 'worth' 700+ USD (+VAT?)?!

... but the 'worth' of something is not evaluated by wishful thinking or even logic. Something is worth exactly the price someone else is willing to pay for it. That of course includes the scalpers an miners, from Michigan to Chengdu, China.

[Agent]

引用自 Adam Beckett：

RTX 3060

is the successor of the

RTX 2060

which was 300-350 bucks 2 years ago and is the successor of the

GTX 1060

which was 300 bucks 5 years ago.


...

... does anyone else see the pattern?

How on God's Earth can the 3060 be 'worth' 700+ USD (+VAT?)?!

... but the 'worth' of something is not evaluated by wishful thinking or even logic. Something is worth exactly the price someone else is willing to pay for it. That of course includes the scalpers an miners, from Michigan to Chengdu, China.

At the normal price the RTX 3060 is a steal, but with this scalper nonsense it's not worth it.

I feel sorry for people getting into PC gaming because this just gives it a terrible rep. We are back in the 90's where PC's are triple the cost of a console.

[tonimark]

引用自 Iggy Wolf：

Seller doesn't allow returns but it is backed by eBay Money Back guarantee and card is brand new. I know it's $300-400 above MSRP, but then aren't most cards these days? Reviews were happy, only negatively rating the value, for obvious reasons.

NOPE just brick a card and throw it on the bitcoin miner's house's window

[tonimark]

引用自 Iggy Wolf：

Seller doesn't allow returns but it is backed by eBay Money Back guarantee and card is brand new. I know it's $300-400 above MSRP, but then aren't most cards these days? Reviews were happy, only negatively rating the value, for obvious reasons.

even with good reviews older powerhouse cards like gt 8800 costed 600 euros(750 euros today (rtx 3070)) will eventually become underpowered after 4 years and useless after 10 years (from gt 1030 compariason) so unless you you pay something and you can easily make the money back in less than a year its completely pointless and also rtx3090 will soon head this way and the worst thing of all you are paying more for a much less powerful model meaning the card will become useless in less than 7 years from now

[GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™]

引用自 Illusion of Progress：

It's because the midrange, the x60 tier

I get what you're saying. But for me the value is there. It doesn't matter series.
I bought my gtx1070 fe for $389 when it released. I paid $399 for rtx3060 and it is getting twice the fps is most games. The upgrade is huge and yet only $10 more.
So you you see, for me it's not about tier but more about what I'm getting compared to what I bought last time.
I'm getting double fps in cyber punk, ray tracing and dlss, pcie 4 bus support, and resizable bar support with the rtx 3060. All of those features are absent on the gtx1070 and it costs the same.
Cheers

[DeadPhoenix]

I paid 479 for my 3060 back in February. I came from a Intel IGPU. And mine seems to overclock like a champ. 1000+ on the memory and 200+ on the coreclock.

[Illusion of Progress]

引用自 Rock Head：

It's never going lower than that. This is the new price point, and it's still better value than Turing that's for damn sure.

Yeah, that's definitely true and I recognize all of that; things have been rapidly changing, and it's better than the immediately prior series.

I was just responding to the person I quoted on why the RTX 3060 is often seen as rather underwhelming for what it is; it's not about it having more VRAM than it needs but rather its value.

引用自 The Hardware ʬhisperer™：

引用自 Illusion of Progress：

It's because the midrange, the x60 tier

I get what you're saying. But for me the value is there. It doesn't matter series.
I bought my gtx1070 fe for $389 when it released. I paid $399 for rtx3060 and it is getting twice the fps is most games. The upgrade is huge and yet only $10 more.

This gives a little more context, yes, given that you had a GTX 1070 before.

The x70 tier, while many consider it midrange (I've always considered it as a hybrid between mid and high, so "high mid" or"low high" are equally right in my eyes), isn't usually something you go for if value or lower price is a concern, which are two of the hallmarks of the midrange IMO. It's usually a "premium performance mid range" offering that isn't as high end or not as "throw value to the wind for raw performance" as the x80 tier was but something you'd be willing to spend a bit more on for a little more performance over the firm midrange (ala x60 tier).

Price shouldn't be considered across years like that though. It's supposed to be NORMAL that performance goes up (this is how progress works), but now it's becoming a bit less because we're becoming normalized to price also going up.

It used to be that every couple or few generations, you could get about double the performance for about the same price. In other words, the $249 price point (GTX 1060) should have been about due to see something around par with a GTX 1080/Ti either by now or slightly above it by next generation, and it's looking more like the latter (mostly because the $250 price point hasn't even been addressed yet by the RTX 3000 series, and anything weaker than an RTX 3060 won't meet this needed level of performance). The closest we have is at $329. The performance is there, but the price is trending up. This is why the value has gone down.

Again, if you were on a x70 tier card to begin with then this explains why this isn't as high of a factor for you, and again, I'm not trying to tell you your card is awful or that you didn't get a worthy level of retun from it (sounds like you did and that you're happy and that's all that matters). Mostly just wanted to explain, even if you disagree with it, that's it NOT about the VRAM at all, but rather what many see as a somewhat lack of value.

[Illusion of Progress]

引用自 Rock Head：

I feel sorry for people getting into PC gaming because this just gives it a terrible rep. We are back in the 90's where PC's are triple the cost of a console.

At least in the 1990s, things were advancing at a brisk pace to sort of make up for it. Now, we have increasing prices for much smaller progress.

[Iggy Wolf]

With prebuilts like these selling, who'd spend $2K on a GPU? Even if you didn't care for the entire PC, the parts individually are still cheaper than trying to buy them separately: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08YXDY8MF?ref_=pfb_i1k840i85nbn1j39na1e663gem68&tag=fbcmapntv-20&ascsubtag=pfb-NTA-P11-V01-O3-g5jbrb-WUF4O5&fbclid=IwAR05QsGMc6vEJylMXsC1tSbrCeLhKZmvSTHlXJqQ10i-BzfJMghlQVdHOv8

Hell, even this one is a better deal, and I don't normally think too highly of the Pavilions. The GPU might not be anything special, but the i5 is a 10th generation one and it's got an SSD and 8 GB DDR4 RAM. So as an "upgrade" to any existing PC that's still a 6th or 9th generation CPU or weaker RAM, it's a good deal. Hell, it's the price of the 3060 GPU I was asking about, so even the pre-builts have better value than the current GPU lineups. https://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-i3-10100-Keyboard-TG01-1022/dp/B08CWLCNWV?th=1

[Illusion of Progress]

Due to GPU pricing right now, yes, pre-builts are (and have been) great for those who need everything. To be honest, they've always been fine options, but they are even better on value as of late.

They aren't a solution for everyone though. For those with a self built system as they want it, who may only be in need of a GPU, it's a pretty poor option. I know you could mention the idea of selling the rest but it loses a lot of value being second hand without the GPU. Even for some people with some really aged systems, that second one doesn't seem like a particular great value. Take my prior situation; I had an aging Core i5 2500K, 16 GB RAM, a 256 GB SSD, and a GTX 1060 (I still have this but the rest has been upgraded). I spend about the same amount as that system costs on a new platform. Sure, I didn't get a case, PSU, SSD, or GPU, but I didn't need them (and my platform upgrade was more expensive than it needed to be because my RAM quantity pushed the budget up and was not far from half the cost, so it can be done smarter for cheaper). That system has 8 GB RAM and an entry level GPU from a couple generations ago. It's not awful for what it is mind you, but it's not a tempting offering for many with existing stuff.

That's mainly still only a good solution for someone with nothing, or a laptop (which, admittedly, this is a lot) or something really low spec all around. Maybe if you buy something more expensive with an RTX 3000 series is in, swap your older GTX in, and resell it, you can come out spending less than for a GPU alone, but that still requires a larger up front cost to begin with.

[HALO_run]

引用自 Iggy Wolf：

Seller doesn't allow returns but it is backed by eBay Money Back guarantee and card is brand new. I know it's $300-400 above MSRP, but then aren't most cards these days? Reviews were happy, only negatively rating the value, for obvious reasons.

if it was me i'd get a new cpu over a new gpu, also if it's not 3070 or 3080\90 that's not cheap

an i5 6600 non k would make games play loads better with the gpu you have now
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-6600-vs-Intel-Core-i5-6400/3514vs3512

and a ebay link https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/284377405132?epid=23041800579&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item423636d6cc:g:kF4AAOSwMoBg9d5K&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAACgPYe5NmHp%252B2JMhMi7yxGiTJkPrKr5t53CooMSQt2orsSwcmzw5CLtzTE60FqHcnq2LrN6lH3ETFMng0laC9LsSMyiLGYMAuT8EniP6rj%252Btzf2AVwpOVwtPFdVWGRuhmkk6coFdERdCqpyc74afzUlfObuyzqV6AYRFGq%252BVQgv689CjL6loAMF3l8z6XZhc1BkOmHiMp1fu4QDaC193T85QAQCd9Y6XG7V4Hew8Qf%252FAGau%252FYlNhiAVhcpKGdFjayjFpiZvesbDQsj6VqSBc3HMHbFwWR2CPjxuj60ja5GaINZtoiI3M063zQvBHsw%252BrrU5EQhgWr0r0Wxa5J38LD5Ot%252F3NJPU9Xc%252BPWgyw2MvqzCsQQ27GZP4AL%252BXrWDTdmPjvZwbQBHznDzkK39olhReLyyWZByOWUMQPfIimI59f5bHG%252Fh%252BZ0TkPZC868JalmPHhIMNjZc%252FuxYkiUtEly%252FOOmBDIHeijY1SuxYqpE6qRO6ntUwCfucmsDCOpM%252FbN027UXiSd0zAClIx4DZiJNnIv3J4uWBvqF%252BwDIU11dv7moTIg0WiNo%252BGZWnlZPxz1eo%252FHn88CoAz17PcHioAHyfWTUuRqsSrOEo%252Bi4Oj83hnU4MVnvPPT7WMpgJj%252BxN4ilCghwcol0OyZwN4cfdoIRCBCp5Snkpc88Uhzb4h3JzwQfwDZmLxeeA79x5bjXR%252FzIy3Vu5ips8sAiUQYqfEub%252FlgapwbrEmCUdrvQ0EWZY%252FWugSIcfdGYnISQkFvBlui9Q8W1yJ9A6GrG3Wv4QTy7v3ytpxiUlrcrkvk6JczuT2fwmjaZyRY9jVehUcjA0pap7LGDDHVgQY3%252FVMryHSOYUARMY%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2334524

[Illusion of Progress]

引用自 HALO_run：

引用自 Iggy Wolf：

Seller doesn't allow returns but it is backed by eBay Money Back guarantee and card is brand new. I know it's $300-400 above MSRP, but then aren't most cards these days? Reviews were happy, only negatively rating the value, for obvious reasons.

if it was me i'd get a new cpu over a new gpu, also if it's not 3070 or 3080\90 that's not cheap

an i5 6600 non k would make games play loads better with the gpu you have now
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-6600-vs-Intel-Core-i5-6400/3514vs3512

Why would you move from a quad core to another quad core in the same family? Yeah it's about half a GHz faster but it's otherwise the same CPU and you won't really notice it in gaming. Even changing to a Core i7, which would still be a quad core but at least add threads, would hardly be worth it because the Core i7s in the 6th and 7th generation usually cost too much compared to what they will add in performance (it'd be potentially worth it if you were on a Core i3 from those generations but not from a Core i5).

I wouldn't upgrade to anything less than a Core i5 10400 or similar from where OP is on the CPU right now; not that this even needs to be done, mind you, just that anything less is too small of a gain for the cost IMO.

[Agent]

引用自 Illusion of Progress：

引用自 HALO_run：

if it was me i'd get a new cpu over a new gpu, also if it's not 3070 or 3080\90 that's not cheap

an i5 6600 non k would make games play loads better with the gpu you have now
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-6600-vs-Intel-Core-i5-6400/3514vs3512

Why would you move from a quad core to another quad core in the same family? Yeah it's about half a GHz faster but it's otherwise the same CPU and you won't really notice it in gaming. Even changing to a Core i7, which would still be a quad core but at least add threads, would hardly be worth it because the Core i7s in the 6th and 7th generation usually cost too much compared to what they will add in performance (it'd be potentially worth it if you were on a Core i3 from those generations but not from a Core i5).

I wouldn't upgrade to anything less than a Core i5 10400 or similar from where OP is on the CPU right now; not that this even needs to be done, mind you, just that anything less is too small of a gain for the cost IMO.

It's rather apparent in modern CPU's that going with 8 core over 6 core does yield some good performance gains.

So for anyone wanting their PC to last the next 5 years, I really suggest getting an 8 core minimum. But also make sure it's a fairly new CPU, buying an old 8 core with slow cores won't make much sense.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

nooooooooo.
750 bucks is about twice the msrp of the 3060.
If your current gpu is ok enough, just wait until you can buy gpus for msrp again.
Unless you are VERY lucky to buy a gpu for msrp when a manifacturer got a new stock.