4k 60fps Smart TV as monitor vs 2 1080p 240hz monitors

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

Ok, long story to try to keep short.

My 3440x1440p ultrawide monitor is gone. Sold it for a profit during the pandemic.

I currently on 2 27 inch 1080p 240hz IPS gaming monitors,

and

vizio smartcast e43u-d2 a 43 inch 4k smart tv.

The games I play are mostly RPG style games, single player, RTS, and mmorpgs. Every once in a blue moon I fire up Arma 3 for pvp.


What should I stick with for my main monitor. 2 1080p 240hz? or use my smart tv for that 4k experience?


*NO, I AM NOT SEEKING TO BUY A NEW MONITOR OR TV AT THIS TIME*

Hardware

GTX 1080ti(waiting for prices to drop for a 3080 or something)
I7 9700K
32gb ram
cpu water cooled with ml 360 r
750watt psu
1tb nvme ssd
2tb ssd
250gb ssd


I am kinda leaning towards the 4k, for that experience in games like Outriders and Shadow of mordor and GTA 5 but just wondering if It would be too big to use as a monitor on a daily use?

thanks

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

引用自 Supafly：

引用自 CatPerson：

I think some of this depends on what types of games one plays. I don't play online/competitive at all, and something like Borderlands, arpg's or "survival" games is about as action-y as I get. I also don't care about more than 60fps.

Don't need 120/144+ fps to feel the benefits of a higher hz display. Just moving the mouse around the desktop feels much smoother.

Without Gsync/Freesync users will get tearing. On a 60 hz panel is easily noticable where as on a higher hz display in the 60 fps region it draws the image more frequently and can make tearing less noticable. Still there but less noticable.

Not all TV mean high input lag.

I'm using a 43" 4k 144hz monitor as my main display, 1440p as secondary. I've tried a few TVs but never enjoyed using them for my PC see notes above.

It's not just this or that. The actual TV is a deciding factor. For me if it's not 120hz or higher I just can't get used to it. Sure it may look prettier resolution wise but just move the cursor is ewww

Gsync is 100% an overrated gimmick.(personal opinion) I had Gsync on my ultra wide and my current 2 monitors, 1 has Gsync one doesnt(because I misread the model number)

Acer XB273GX is 240hz HDR-400 Gsync
Acer XB273 X is 240hz 400nit no Gsync


I notice no tearing on either, but then I am older, so maybe I dont know what to look for, but yes, mouse feels smoother on a monitor, that is why I am thinking a nice 4k monitor for my rts / rpg addiction

[CatPerson]

引用自 ToothlessRaider：

I notice no tearing on either, but then I am older, so maybe I dont know what to look for, but yes, mouse feels smoother on a monitor, that is why I am thinking a nice 4k monitor for my rts / rpg addiction

I'm older as well, and was already near 30y.o when I started PC gaming around Doom period. :D

I do think 4k would fare better on a larger monitor than 27". At that size you may as well stick to 1440 and save yourself the extra performance requirements of 4k. Like get two 1440's instead.

32" would be a minimum for 4k, imo.

[Supafly]

引用自 ToothlessRaider：

引用自 Supafly：

Don't need 120/144+ fps to feel the benefits of a higher hz display. Just moving the mouse around the desktop feels much smoother.

Without Gsync/Freesync users will get tearing. On a 60 hz panel is easily noticable where as on a higher hz display in the 60 fps region it draws the image more frequently and can make tearing less noticable. Still there but less noticable.

Not all TV mean high input lag.

I'm using a 43" 4k 144hz monitor as my main display, 1440p as secondary. I've tried a few TVs but never enjoyed using them for my PC see notes above.

It's not just this or that. The actual TV is a deciding factor. For me if it's not 120hz or higher I just can't get used to it. Sure it may look prettier resolution wise but just move the cursor is ewww

Gsync is 100% an overated gimmick. I had Gsync on my ultra wide and my current 2 monitors, 1 had Gsync one doesnt(because I misread the model number

Acer XB273GX is 240hz HDR-400 Gsync
Acer XB273 X is 240hz 400nit no Gsync


I notice no tearing on either, but then I am older, so maybe I dont know what to look for, but yes, mouse feels smoother on a monitor, that is why I am thinking a nice 4k monitor for my rts / rpg addiction

Gsync/freesync only really matters if you're getting drops in fps. if it's relatively stable fps it's less noticable to me. That kinda plays with the higher hz for me to. If it was a 60hz display I'm more likely to notice tearing with V-Sync off in which case Gsync/free would be welcomed. Where as on a high hz display even with 60 fps I'm less likely to notice tears so Gsync/Freesync not so important. Provided fps is relatively stable.

Just another example of differing opinions and interpretations experience. The people talking audio Headphones, headsets and mic also means near nothing to me. I can barely tell the difference between a 1,000 pair of headphones and a 100-150 gaming headset. Hearing not as good now I'm 40+ with Tinnitus

[Supafly]

引用自 CatPerson：

32" would be a minimum for 4k, imo.

Completely agree.

upto 24" for 1080p
27" for 1440p
32" minimum for 4k

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

引用自 CatPerson：

引用自 ToothlessRaider：

I notice no tearing on either, but then I am older, so maybe I dont know what to look for, but yes, mouse feels smoother on a monitor, that is why I am thinking a nice 4k monitor for my rts / rpg addiction

I'm older as well, and was already near 30y.o when I started PC gaming around Doom period. :D

I do think 4k would fare better on a larger monitor than 27". At that size you may as well stick to 1440 and save yourself the extra performance requirements of 4k.

32" would be a minimum for 4k, imo.

I had a 3440x1440 ultrawide and while it was very crisp, it wasnt nearly as "wow" factoring as 4k is for me. I already own the 2 27 inch monitors that are my every day work horses for work to gaming and I like them. I just was curious and I think the 4k ty looks the best so far, but its too big for my desk and how I use my space.


For reference

https://imgur.com/a/nrZNETX


So a 4k TV pretty much limits me to it as a monitor at 43 inches and even thought its an arm and a half away, just feels sluggish. A 27 inch 4k would replace the monitor on the left, so I could rpg and enjoy single player gaming and the one on the right would work well for mulltiplayer and not drive my OCD nuts with mismatched sizes

1080p vs 1440p wasnt as impressive as 1080p to 4k or even 1440p to 4k. So for me, 1440p isnt really even a consideration.

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

引用自 Supafly：

引用自 CatPerson：

32" would be a minimum for 4k, imo.

Completely agree.

upto 24" for 1080p
27" for 1440p
32" minimum for 4k

Yeah I heard this before, everybody said dont get 1080p at 27 inches. My opinion? Nothing wrong with it, and cant tell the difference between the 23 inch 1080p I had.

[_I_]

32in 4k would be the same dpi as a 16in 1080p display
good if you sit 1ft from the display, but still too small for arms length imho

43in 4k, is close to a 21.5in 1080p in dpi

if it was not a tv it would make a great monitor

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-XB273K-Gpbmiipprzx-Compatible-DisplayHDR/dp/B07X5MWMDG This would be the 27 inch 4k monitor I would most likely go with.


Last 3 monitors I had were Acers, and while their support isnt great, I never had issues and Acer hardware is solid. I stick with what works.

But I need to 100% upgrade my gtx 1080ti So I am gonna stick with the current, but I WANT 4k, after using the TV, it is clear, 4k is the way to game.

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

引用自 _I_：

32in 4k would be the same dpi as a 16in 1080p display
good if you sit 1ft from the display, but still too small for arms length imho

43in 4k, is close to a 21.5in 1080p in dpi

if it was not a tv it would make a great monitor

32 inch would be great, but for my desk it would be a little too big. I had a 35 inch 3440x1440. I sold it for a nice profit during the pandemic, but it was too big for my desk and hard to dual monitor.

27inch x2 is perfect with room left for accessories, xbox or my cat lol

[CatPerson]

引用自 ToothlessRaider：

Yeah I heard this before, everybody said dont get 1080p at 27 inches. My opinion? Nothing wrong with it, and cant tell the difference between the 23 inch 1080p I had.

I used 1080p with a 27" - I personally see the slight extra - pixelation? jaggies? - on text, but it was ok to fine re: gaming/digital photography etc. Didn't bother me either. I mean if you put different resolution (but same size) monitors side by side, you'll notice a difference typically, but it's all what you get used to plus personal nit-pickiness or lack thereof etc.

Anyway, the main point I was trying to make is not that you won't notice ANY clarity difference between a 1440 27" and a 4k 27", I just wouldn't find it personally worth the hardware increase/cost upkeep for that screen size, even as someone who isn't all that picky re: hz, fps, etc.

But it's all a personal preference thing. I just love sitting close to large screens myself, is all, so I "need" high quality 4k TV for that reason alone.

引用自 ToothlessRaider：

32 inch would be great, but for my desk it would be a little too big.

This is when you get a bigger desk.
https://crimsonkeep.com/wallpapers/data/media/7/desk-024.jpg

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

引用自 CatPerson：

引用自 ToothlessRaider：

Yeah I heard this before, everybody said dont get 1080p at 27 inches. My opinion? Nothing wrong with it, and cant tell the difference between the 23 inch 1080p I had.

I used 1080p with a 27" - I personally see the slight extra - pixelation? jaggies? - on text, but it was ok to fine re: gaming/digital photography etc. Didn't bother me either. I mean if you put different resolution (but same size) monitors side by side, you'll notice a difference typically, but it's all what you get used to plus personal nit-pickiness or lack thereof etc.

Anyway, the main point I was trying to make is not that you won't notice ANY clarity difference between a 1440 27" and a 4k 27", I just wouldn't find it personally worth the hardware increase/cost upkeep for that screen size, even as someone who isn't all that picky re: hz, fps, etc.

But it's all a personal preference thing. I just love sitting close to large screens myself, is all, so I "need" high quality 4k TV for that reason alone.

引用自 ToothlessRaider：

32 inch would be great, but for my desk it would be a little too big.

This is when you get a bigger desk. :bigfrog:
https://crimsonkeep.com/wallpapers/data/media/7/desk-024.jpg

I had an L shape desk but it made my room Cluttered. If you click my profile, thats my old setup. It was cool as I was younger but as I get older less is more seems to be a true statement. Very Nice TV, but those wires, I would go nuts. I kinda want to come over and fix that for you lol

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

引用自 CatPerson：

引用自 ToothlessRaider：

Yeah I heard this before, everybody said dont get 1080p at 27 inches. My opinion? Nothing wrong with it, and cant tell the difference between the 23 inch 1080p I had.

I used 1080p with a 27" - I personally see the slight extra - pixelation? jaggies? - on text, but it was ok to fine re: gaming/digital photography etc. Didn't bother me either. I mean if you put different resolution (but same size) monitors side by side, you'll notice a difference typically, but it's all what you get used to plus personal nit-pickiness or lack thereof etc.

Anyway, the main point I was trying to make is not that you won't notice ANY clarity difference between a 1440 27" and a 4k 27", I just wouldn't find it personally worth the hardware increase/cost upkeep for that screen size, even as someone who isn't all that picky re: hz, fps, etc.

But it's all a personal preference thing. I just love sitting close to large screens myself, is all, so I "need" high quality 4k TV for that reason alone.

引用自 ToothlessRaider：

32 inch would be great, but for my desk it would be a little too big.

This is when you get a bigger desk. :bigfrog:
https://crimsonkeep.com/wallpapers/data/media/7/desk-024.jpg

https://imgur.com/a/yRNieDS

was my setup that drove me nuts


So I got better with cable management

https://imgur.com/a/6XEigc2

but that was so crowded my room felt too small and cluttered


So I tried the tv at 1080p with a 3440x1440 and a 1080p monitor

https://imgur.com/a/MC7rcUU

but OCD and clutter drove me nuts

So I tried a 35 inch a 27 inch and a 24 inch and went crazy

https://imgur.com/a/th5dCEo


So I tried using my lazy boy chair

https://imgur.com/a/zkX8RoY

wires everywhere

https://imgur.com/a/MICt0of

When 1 desk wasnt enough, I tried 2 desks

https://imgur.com/a/o0LRshS

Decided to build a desk stand for even more room

https://imgur.com/a/r8cEuVe


After years of OCD and indecision, I bought this desk and put it together

https://imgur.com/a/fI7Vkgm


And this is now my less is more build

https://imgur.com/a/zswapQT


This was before I sold the ultrawide

https://imgur.com/a/jdgeReL


I like the current setup. But as you can see, this is a monthly thing for me. Only way to truely fix my issue would be to sell my house and get a bigger place or knock down a wall. Both seem illogical, so I think a 27 inch 4k monitor might be my best option something next year

[CatPerson]

Speaking of wire clutter ...
https://ffxv.crimsonkeep.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/pc-005.jpg

That was when I was building my current rig a while back and bought this expensive KVM switch so old PC could share monitors. Trying to wire it all up was a nightmare, needed so many wires and the thing was a piece of expensive troublesome trash to boot. Returned it and decided not to use one. Just put a monitor/cheap KB on the old PC exclusively instead.

Anyway ... most of the wires in my original pic are the peripherals, like external drive and mobile USB/controller charging. Nothing I can do about that outside of removing them constantly when not using, which I am far too lazy to do. The controller on my PC I use plugged in, not wireless. The console is behind the TV and I just wrap the wire/controller around in front while charging for ease of access. I don't like wireless KB/M.

I did forget to drill a wire hole in the middle of the L section so some monitor/speaker wires are still flopping down that side. But as you can see by the other "clutter", while I try to be relatively tidy, I'm not exactly OCD about it. When I'm staring at the TV I don't notice anyway. The inside of my PC is fairly tidy tho.

I wasn't being serious re: bigger desk, just a joke. I know many don't have the room or desire for huge desk setups. I do have a small day type bed I use as a couch at times, but most of the room space has no other "duty"/purpose but being a PC-cave, so to speak. Hubby has his own office/cave.

When it comes to "aging", I also have come to less is more and every year I toss more and more things away ... except in regards to my PC/media stuff. That just gets worse, probably because I'm retired and have nothing better to do - especially during the past covid year.

Anyway ... good luck and hope you find some arrangement you enjoy, whatever it ends up being.

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

引用自 CatPerson：

Speaking of wire clutter ... :bummer:
https://ffxv.crimsonkeep.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/pc-005.jpg

That was when I was building my current rig a while back and bought this expensive KVM switch so old PC could share monitors. Trying to wire it all up was a nightmare, needed so many wires and the thing was a piece of expensive troublesome trash to boot. Returned it and decided not to use one. Just put a monitor/cheap KB on the old PC exclusively instead.

Anyway ... most of the wires in my original pic are the peripherals, like external drive and mobile USB/controller charging. Nothing I can do about that outside of removing them constantly when not using, which I am far too lazy to do. The controller on my PC I use plugged in, not wireless. The console is behind the TV and I just wrap the wire/controller around in front while charging for ease of access. I don't like wireless KB/M.

I did forget to drill a wire hole in the middle of the L section so some monitor/speaker wires are still flopping down that side. But as you can see by the other "clutter", while I try to be relatively tidy, I'm not exactly OCD about it. When I'm staring at the TV I don't notice anyway. The inside of my PC is fairly tidy tho. :dssmile:

I wasn't being serious re: bigger desk, just a joke. I know many don't have the room or desire for huge desk setups. I do have a small day type bed I use as a couch at times, but most of the room space has no other "duty"/purpose but being a PC-cave, so to speak. Hubby has his own office/cave.

When it comes to "aging", I also have come to less is more and every year I toss more and more things away ... except in regards to my PC/media stuff. That just gets worse, probably because I'm retired and have nothing better to do - especially during the past covid year. :bigfrog:

Anyway ... good luck and hope you find some arrangement you enjoy, whatever it ends up being.

https://www.amazon.com/Management-Sleeve-JOTO-Computer-Entertainment/dp/B015HWXG4M

I bought 2 sets of these. Changed my life lol

But no I agree, a bigger desk would help, and I wanted one, but I am struggling between my desire to turn my man cave into a clone of a NASA command center. the bridge of a star destroyer and something that doesnt look like I am going through a mid life crisis :D


And thanks, talking pc shop always seems to help, no matter what, somebody always adds something to the topic worth considering. Stay safe.

[RTX 5080 FE(Mr Happy)]

Give it a week and Ill fine a different setup. lol but for now found a way to enjoy my tv and both monitors.


https://imgur.com/a/bfDV8QU