i9 11900k or ryzen 5900x

[Disclosure]

so i planning to upgrade my cpu and motherboard and need to decide between these two . i mostly play open world like rdr 2 , forza horizon , and dying light 2 when it came out . which you guys think better , both price is quite similar

[SHREDDER]

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Publicado originalmente por Big Doniel:

It almost certainly won't. Genuinely no idea why you seem intent on pushing this idea based on zero evidence, and actually contradicts the reality of what we've seen over the last few years.

Higher FPS doesn't = smoother gameplay. Of course you wouldn't know that using your aging 4 core CPU. You're probably used to the inconsistent frame times and micro stutter.

I agree with you. In 2017 i upgraded from 4 core 2011 cpu core i5 2500k to 8 core ryzen 1700 and i saw also massive games perfomance improvement. I saw even more in Juyly 2020 when i got a high end SSD MP 600 2TB. Yes the more core the bettter. And the best cpu for price/perfomance ratio at this moment is Ryzen 5900x.

[_I_]

you dont need a 570 board, get one with heatsinks on top and io side of the cpu socket
and 10+ choke coils (small bricks) around the cpu

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/TUF-Gaming/TUF-GAMING-B450-PLUS-II/
looks to have 10 phases total, 6+2+2 or 8+1+1
capable of putting 120-200w to the cpu cores

[emoticorpse]

5900x

[shiel]

Publicado originalmente por _I_:

you dont need a 570 board, get one with heatsinks on top and io side of the cpu socket
and 10+ choke coils (small bricks) around the cpu

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/TUF-Gaming/TUF-GAMING-B450-PLUS-II/
looks to have 10 phases total, 6+2+2 or 8+1+1
capable of putting 120-200w to the cpu cores

If you're buying a 5900x why wouldn't you pair it with an x570 board?

[Illusion of Progress]

Publicado originalmente por SHREDDER:

I agree with you. In 2017 i upgraded from 4 core 2011 cpu core i5 2500k to 8 core ryzen 1700 and i saw also massive games perfomance improvement.

Counter example, even though I typically advocate for 8 cores these days (though 6 is generally sufficient and often even 4 is); I upgraded from the same starting CPU as you, the Core i5 2500K, and went to a Ryzen 7 3700X a year ago, and game performance was not massively different for me. It was different in a lot of places, sure (it's amusing watching the starting of Minecraft actually, albeit momentarily, use all the cores/threads), but not massively overall. I would had seen a larger difference putting a GPU with the performance level of a GTX 1080 or greater on the same aged CPU rather than merely making the CPU change I did. The reason I didn't see such a change is because I wasn't playing games that absolutely needed 6+ cores/threads. You, likely, were. In my case the GPU (similar performance to yous) was the bottleneck to begin with, even on the aged CPU. Granted, I didn't do the platform upgrade for gaming performance to begin with. I'm not merely not calling your example wrong (it's absolutely right depending on your uses) but just giving an example of the opposite to show it depends rather than being a strict increase. This is how you get people thinking more cores is better by default when it's not.

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If you're buying a 5900x why wouldn't you pair it with an x570 board?

Little separates the B550 and X570 chipsets for most users, so on a B550 board that can properly support a Ryzen 9, if you don't need the extras the X570 supports, you don't need it.

[_I_]

the only advantage of x570 is th pci-e 4.0

which is not needed, no current gpus use that yet, and only real point is so more lanes can be divided with less loss to each device

x8 4.0 is more then enough for a single gpu
if a 2nd gpu or other addons need to steal lanes from it
x4 4.0 to drives is complete overkill

drives used to be the slowest part, but now the cpu/ram are starting to bottleneck
nvme performance
https://www.techspot.com/review/1893-pcie-4-vs-pcie-3-ssd/

[shiel]

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the only advantage of x570 is th pci-e 4.0

which is not needed, no current gpus use that yet, and only real point is so more lanes can be divided with less loss to each device

x8 4.0 is more then enough for a single gpu
if a 2nd gpu or other addons need to steal lanes from it
x4 4.0 to drives is complete overkill

drives used to be the slowest part, but now the cpu/ram are starting to bottleneck
nvme performance
https://www.techspot.com/review/1893-pcie-4-vs-pcie-3-ssd/

That's a fair point for sure. I guess I look at it from the perspective that I'm building a pc to last ~6-8 years (with a gpu upgrade or two in that time) so to me it makes sense to get the bells and whistles that could come in handy down the road.

[_I_]

by the time you need a new cpu it will need a better board anyway
next gpu gens will use pci-e 4.0+ but 3.0 bandwidth is more than enough as long as other lanes are not being taken from the gpu

not that the 5xx boards are bad, just they cost more with no real world improvements at this time vs a good 470 boards

[tonimark]

Publicado originalmente por Disclosure:

so i planning to upgrade my cpu and motherboard and need to decide between these two . i mostly play open world like rdr 2 , forza horizon , and dying light 2 when it came out . which you guys think better , both price is quite similar

well for a new system amd ryzen 9 5900x is the way to go! more cores! however just buy whatever is compatible with your current motherboard and power limits

[A&A]

Publicado originalmente por _I_:

by the time you need a new cpu it will need a better board anyway
next gpu gens will use pci-e 4.0+ but 3.0 bandwidth is more than enough as long as other lanes are not being taken from the gpu

not that the 5xx boards are bad, just they cost more with no real world improvements at this time vs a good 470 boards

Tests with RTX 2060TI at 1080p
Fortnite have 10-20 fps more avg.
CSGO have 40 fps more avg.

[das3erawsdas]

Maybe 10850K? I got paired with rtx 3090 :)

[kiwikev]

I think for productivity 5900x but for mostly gaming 5800x (only 1 ccx) also check out hardware unboxed channel on youtube for reviews of MB/CPU and might help you decide which suits your needs.

[Monk]

Publicado originalmente por das3erawsdas:

Maybe 10850K? I got paired with rtx 3090 :)

That's the sensible, cheapest and fastest option, but seems to of fallen on deaf ears here.

[Illusion of Progress]

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Publicado originalmente por das3erawsdas:

Maybe 10850K? I got paired with rtx 3090 :)

That's the sensible, cheapest and fastest option, but seems to of fallen on deaf ears here.

Not surprising. As with most things, but especially in the fast moving tech world, it can take a while for people to be aware of what's good based on shifting prices. It took a while for the 10400/F to be recognized (because the K models are all anyone focuses on), and then when it was, the pendulum had gone completely the other way and suddenly the 3600X was considered pointless after a rising price for long enough, even though it had rough parity in the value department (it was typically slightly more expensive, yes, but a bit faster as well). In other words, things change and sometimes fast.

I definitely don't see the 10850K mentioned often, and there's probably a few reasons for it. Most people aren't looking above 6 to 8 core CPUs since there's little reason for it for most people, so these CPUs are literally priced above where most people are even looking, and those who do, they usually seem to focus more on the Ryzen 9s (especially the 16 core variants), though the 10900K in particular has been a strong alternative consideration as of late. The 10900K was simply the flagship model that gets all the attention over the lesser 10850K. In a similar fashion, the non-K models aren't always awful considerations either, but they tend to always get glossed over.

The last time I think I saw the 10850K mentioned on this forum, and this was some time back, it was in a negative light. I think it was basically something to the extent of "who would buy a flawed 10900K instead of the actual 10900K" or something, but I don't remember it clearly.

Best you can do is keep saying what you think is good and then eventually people will notice more. And then, by then... change has occurred and it has to start all over, haha.

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Publicado originalmente por Disclosure:

so i planning to upgrade my cpu and motherboard and need to decide between these two . i mostly play open world like rdr 2 , forza horizon , and dying light 2 when it came out . which you guys think better , both price is quite similar

well for a new system amd ryzen 9 5900x is the way to go! more cores! however just buy whatever is compatible with your current motherboard and power limits

It's not that simple.
5900/5950 will perform worse in games compared to 5800X. Simple because 5900/5950 are designed totally different then the other cpus within that series. They are meant for heavy workload pcs, rendering, video editing... not gaming.

It be like buying ThreadRipper with the thinking it will run games better. Not true at all.