Windows 11 default apps is a disaster

[Agent]

If there's one thing Microsoft needs to change about Windows 11 it's definitely the default apps settings. Holy cow this is one big mess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IyU6KHK6Qw

[Omega]

Modern UI design in Microsoft products is horrid, this goes for both their consumer and bussiness products.

Functionality is often hidden many menus deep, there is a ton of useless bloat which has no reason to exist, usage is often tedious.

Some examples:
Try finding the download link to Microsoft Office in Office 365, it's not underneat a nice "Download here" button no, it's hidden in your account settings tab.. And to make it more fun, this button only appears when a compatible OS such as Windows or macOS is listed in the browser's user agent.

When you hoover over an account on Outlook, why does it after several seconds how a popup with more information about the account which then several seconds later expands in to a useliess bloat garbage hooverbox listing tons of useless crap such as which files you recently accessed in Onedrive/Sharepoint? WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS.

Microsoft loves dark patterns to try and get the user to do what they want while still giving users a choice, they do this so they can not get sued for monopolistic behaviour. Try replacing your default browser, it will nag you multiple times to keep Edge.

Want to disable optional telemetry and ads? Manually uncheck all these boxes, better just not bother and click next, this way we get what we want.


Don't even get me started on the Cloud App Security and Office 365 control panels.. I can rant about those for days. Buggy pieces of crap.. WHY IS THERE AN IFRAME THERE AND WHY DOES IT ONLY WORK IN EDGE!


Stop using Windows, and Microsoft products in general, switch to something else like GNU/Linux or NomadBSD, depending on your needs.

[humboldt]

its not a bug, its a feature, i guess. you can customize windows a lot more on your own and if you want it, it is just 20 clicks away to change the browser totally. this lasts a minute and if you want different browsers for different file types, you can tune windows for this. this is new and no problem to me. it is a gain to some users. i dont want to be offensive. i just think so.

[plat]

I wish Windows would be more Linux-like in that we users can install separately the various packages of our choosing like Edge, Your Phone, etc instead of having them crammed down our throats. Right now, there are several GBs' worth of "packages" sitting idle on my drive. It would be a much happier place without them.

You can install Windows without some of the bloat but this is not a well-known practice unfortunately.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

I would think MS would learn by now. Give the user better choice. Why should the OS install a bunch of crap we don't want. Even in Win95, 98, ME you had the choices of what to install during the installer process. Also I would think by Win7, MS would have learned to give the user choices for other things a Windows User basically must have; such as Visual C Runtimes, full DX Redist Runtimes, XNA Runtimes, etc. Why should we have to rely on apps to install those,MS should handle that better from their end.

[Omega]

Bad 💀 Motha の投稿を引用：

I would think MS would learn by now. Give the user better choice. Why should the OS install a bunch of crap we don't want. Even in Win95, 98, ME you had the choices of what to install during the installer process. Also I would think by Win7, MS would have learned to give the user choices for other things a Windows User basically must have; such as Visual C Runtimes, full DX Redist Runtimes, XNA Runtimes, etc. Why should we have to rely on apps to install those,MS should handle that better from their end.

They are learning, they are learning how to maximize profit. Actually delivering a good product is no longer a concern.

Software management on Windows is a huge mess, you download a binary which violently extracts itself all over your filesystem. This is a nasty and ugly way of installing software. It's very prone to bugs and issues, it's also very easy to accidentally download malicious software.

Windows needs centralized software repositories, or an "app store" as most people call it. An open one, maintained by Microsoft, with guaranteed safe software inside of it and proper dependency and conflict handeling.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

I would love to switch fully to Linux and not look back. But many games I love won't work on there, so that's why.

[Omega]

Bad 💀 Motha の投稿を引用：

I would love to switch fully to Linux and not look back. But many games I love won't work on there, so that's why.

I am fine with a few games not working. Most of my games work, I am not a very social gamer, I play mainly singleplayer games with a few exceptions. So I rarely have issues with anti-cheat.

[humboldt]

how is the linux cell phone suport? i have a huawei one and there is only windows for it.

[Omega]

owl rly? の投稿を引用：

how is the linux cell phone suport? i have a huawei one and there is only windows for it.

What do you mean with cellphone support? You plug it in, you can move your files over, install KDE Connect and control your PC from your phone. What functionality do you want exactly?

[humboldt]

i have an app for my cell phone with windows. i thought, that linux cant handle it. i was wrong. thank you very much

[Si]

Looks like it’s working as intended. They don’t want you switching from the defaults, they want you to use their browser over all others.

What I’ve noticed is that companies like Google tend to make their products easy and convenient so they can harvest data and target you with ads. Microsoft on the other hands tends to take their existing products and make them inconvenient and harder to use so that they can harvest data and target you with ads.

Of all the big software companies I genuinely think Microsoft makes the worst products. Windows, Xbox, Office, all are poorly performing junk with some of the worst UIs I’ve ever seen.

[humboldt]

Omega の投稿を引用：

owl rly? の投稿を引用：

how is the linux cell phone suport? i have a huawei one and there is only windows for it.

What do you mean with cellphone support? You plug it in, you can move your files over, install KDE Connect and control your PC from your phone. What functionality do you want exactly?

hi,
i have now my ubuntu running and i checked the connection with my cell phone (hawei P30 lite). without KDE connect i have no opportunity to get the pictures i made onto my ubuntu pc. i googled for KDE connect. i dont want to install it, because it is not made by huawei. i think this is more a hack than an app that is meant to be used by huawei cell phones. with windows 10 the huawei hi-suit app is made and available by huawei. i doubt that KDE connect is legal, if you ask a judge. am i wrong? it is no problem to me. this is just my opinion.

[Omega]

owl rly? の投稿を引用：

Omega の投稿を引用：

What do you mean with cellphone support? You plug it in, you can move your files over, install KDE Connect and control your PC from your phone. What functionality do you want exactly?

hi,
i have now my ubuntu running and i checked the connection with my cell phone (hawei P30 lite). without KDE connect i have no opportunity to get the pictures i made onto my ubuntu pc. i googled for KDE connect. i dont want to install it, because it is not made by huawei. i think this is more a hack than an app that is meant to be used by huawei cell phones. with windows 10 the huawei hi-suit app is made and available by huawei. i doubt that KDE connect is legal, if you ask a judge. am i wrong? it is no problem to me. this is just my opinion.

KDE Connect is made to work with Android in general. The manufacturer of your phone has nothing to do with this.

It is an open source application made by the KDE community which is one of the largest online Linux collaboration efforts attempting to create a fully featured desktop environment. The application can be trusted as long as you get it from official sources.

There is nothing illegal about installing software on your phone. It is your phone, you can do whatever you want with it.

[humboldt]

on windows 10 my cell phone has to be unlocked by the huawei app using a code that is generated each time i want to exchange files of the two devices. the code to unlock has eight numbers(17364525...for example). it is generated by the phone and has to be written into the huawei app on the windows 10 pc. kde connect does not need to be unlocked. what is this? everything huawei was working on to protect your cell phones data is unreal on linux. it is a hack, isnt it?

[Omega]

owl rly? の投稿を引用：

on windows 10 my cell phone has to be unlocked by the huawei app using a code that is generated each time i want to exchange files of the two devices. the code to unlock has eight numbers(17364525...for example). it is generated by the phone and has to be written into the huawei app on the windows 10 pc. kde connect does not need to be unlocked. what is this? everything huawei was working to protect your cell phones data is unreal on linux. it is a hack, isnt it?

KDE connect has to be manually connected to a computer, don't connect it to computers you do not trust and you do not need a passcode.

No.. it's not a "hack".

Huaway decided to implement this passcode functionality, that is a design decision they made, other applications might work differently.


If you want passcode authentication functionality you can always create an issue report and if the developers like the idea they might add it.
https://bugs.kde.org/
https://invent.kde.org/network/kdeconnect-kde#contributing