i5 2500 (non k) + an rx 570

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is it good

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Publicado originalmente por Snow:

Publicado originalmente por Perunakarhu:

It's bottleneck.

And how do you know it?

Because I have personal experience with 2500k and the knowledge.

[Snow]

Publicado originalmente por Perunakarhu:

Publicado originalmente por Snow:

And how do you know it?

Because I have personal experience with 2500k and the knowledge.

Oh, what a coincidence - I use i5-2500 myself just like OP. Now, tell me - what games, at what resolution, and on what settings do I play? You sure have the knowledge. Also tell me in which ones I have CPU bottleneck, your personal experience should definitely cover mine.

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Publicado originalmente por Snow:

Publicado originalmente por Perunakarhu:

Because I have personal experience with 2500k and the knowledge.

Oh, what a coincidence - I use i5-2500 myself just like OP. Now, tell me - what games, at what resolution, and on what settings do I play? You sure have the knowledge. Also tell me in which ones I have CPU bottleneck, your personal experience should definitely cover mine.

What I can remember for now is what I tested myself was, GTA V that had huge bottleneck at 1080p. Can't remember the settings, but I've set them to reach stableish 60fps back then. It's not only the CPU that's limiting stuff, it's also the platform it is on.
Please note that I had also overclocked my 2500k@4.5GHz, so it's way faster than stock speed 2500.
You can usually see bottleneck when your GPU is at 99/100% and CPU is way lower.

[Snow]

Publicado originalmente por Perunakarhu:

Publicado originalmente por Snow:

Oh, what a coincidence - I use i5-2500 myself just like OP. Now, tell me - what games, at what resolution, and on what settings do I play? You sure have the knowledge. Also tell me in which ones I have CPU bottleneck, your personal experience should definitely cover mine.

What I can remember for now is what I tested myself was, GTA V that had huge bottleneck at 1080p. Can't remember the settings, but I've set them to reach stableish 60fps back then. It's not only the CPU that's limiting stuff, it's also the platform it is on.
Please note that I had also overclocked my 2500k@4.5GHz, so it's way faster than stock speed 2500.
You can usually see bottleneck when your GPU is at 99/100% and CPU is way lower.

See, you didn't answer any of my questions, because you have no idea of what bottleneck is. Not all people play games with the same settings you do, okay?

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Publicado originalmente por Perunakarhu:

What I can remember for now is what I tested myself was, GTA V that had huge bottleneck at 1080p. Can't remember the settings, but I've set them to reach stableish 60fps back then. It's not only the CPU that's limiting stuff, it's also the platform it is on.
Please note that I had also overclocked my 2500k@4.5GHz, so it's way faster than stock speed 2500.

Anecdotes are fun.

Well I was running GTA V on an i5 3570k that I never bothered to overclock, and it's not much better than a 2500k. I was running a GeForce 970 and was able to get 60FPS @ 1080p on fairly high settings without too much trouble.

Also the wife was running a i5 2500k at stock and a GeForce 1070 and she got similar if not better performance depending.

And a 2500 vs 2500k (at stock) aren't exactly apples and oranges different.

Performance was fine, so what's the problem? You don't like the circumstances the performance is achieved?

Publicado originalmente por Perunakarhu:

You can usually see bottleneck when your GPU is at 99/100% and CPU is way lower.

Does that matter if you're meeting your performance goals?

There's plenty of games the 2500 can run great, not everything was released in 2019, and a RX 570 will work great on a lot of those games. The games OP specifically mentioned are not games that will cripple an i5 2500.

So is your argument that the i5 2500 + RX 570 isn't optimal for all games currently in existence? Oh no! Thankfully that doesn't appear to be OPs goal. So maybe, a little perspective please?

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Publicado originalmente por Snow:

Publicado originalmente por Perunakarhu:

What I can remember for now is what I tested myself was, GTA V that had huge bottleneck at 1080p. Can't remember the settings, but I've set them to reach stableish 60fps back then. It's not only the CPU that's limiting stuff, it's also the platform it is on.
Please note that I had also overclocked my 2500k@4.5GHz, so it's way faster than stock speed 2500.
You can usually see bottleneck when your GPU is at 99/100% and CPU is way lower.

See, you didn't answer any of my questions, because you have no idea of what bottleneck is. Not all people play games with the same settings you do, okay?

How the f can I know when _YOU_ have bottleneck without knowing every detail? Bottleneck is when one hardware component limits the performance of another component.

I wrote short and simple to OPs short and simple starting post without reading all the other messages. Saying "It's bottleneck" doesn't say that it can't run well on some games but it doesn't remove the fact that it is 2011 CPU and 2017 GPU combo. The performance gap is big there.

Publicado originalmente por Brockenstein:

Publicado originalmente por Perunakarhu:

What I can remember for now is what I tested myself was, GTA V that had huge bottleneck at 1080p. Can't remember the settings, but I've set them to reach stableish 60fps back then. It's not only the CPU that's limiting stuff, it's also the platform it is on.
Please note that I had also overclocked my 2500k@4.5GHz, so it's way faster than stock speed 2500.

Anecdotes are fun.

Well I was running GTA V on an i5 3570k that I never bothered to overclock, and it's not much better than a 2500k. I was running a GeForce 970 and was able to get 60FPS @ 1080p on fairly high settings without too much trouble.

Also the wife was running a i5 2500k at stock and a GeForce 1070 and she got similar if not better performance depending.

And a 2500 vs 2500k (at stock) aren't exactly apples and oranges different.

Performance was fine, so what's the problem? You don't like the circumstances the performance is achieved?

Publicado originalmente por Perunakarhu:

You can usually see bottleneck when your GPU is at 99/100% and CPU is way lower.

Does that matter if you're meeting your performance goals?

There's plenty of games the 2500 can run great, not everything was released in 2019, and a RX 570 will work great on a lot of those games. The games OP specifically mentioned are not games that will cripple an i5 2500.

So is your argument that the i5 2500 + RX 570 isn't optimal for all games currently in existence? Oh no! Thankfully that doesn't appear to be OPs goal. So maybe, a little perspective please?

Bottleneck doesn't say that you can't do something or have fun with it.
Capping frames to 60fps don't often lead to bottlenecks with that combo, but if you want more frames, then it sure will (depending on the game ofc).
Didn't have time and effort to post longer post than "It's bottleneck", because why would I when the original post is lacking them too.

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So why are you hand wringing over bottlenecks then? If you admit it doesn't matter if performance is fine, why was it your go to BS initial response?

Seems like you said something vague and irrelevant, and are now just trying to argue that you weren't absolutely wrong.

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Publicado originalmente por Brockenstein:

So why are you handwringng over bottlenecks then? If you admit it doesn't matter if performance is fine, why was it your go to BS initial response?

"Is it good"
-It's bottleneck.
Just pointing that out and you can figure it out is it good or not.

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Well you're not going to convince me your lazy and useless post had any value. And your excuses for making it are your own.

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Publicado originalmente por Brockenstein:

Well you're not going to convince me your lazy and useless post had any value. And your excuses for making it are your own.

I'm not even trying...

To rest of the readers, it still is bottleneck combo in some cases, way often than paired with similar year tech.

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Publicado originalmente por Perunakarhu:

How the f can I know when _YOU_ have bottleneck without knowing every detail?

You can't, but still decided to say it to OP without going into details. It's as if you didn't care at all, but then why leave the message?

Publicado originalmente por Perunakarhu:

Saying "It's bottleneck" doesn't say that it can't run well on some games but it doesn't remove the fact that it is 2011 CPU and 2017 GPU combo. The performance gap is big there.

It seems you do indeed have some knowledge, so if I said otherwise - I apologise. Still, you lack some information that would greatly help you.
For example, this "performance gap" is only around 20%. Seriously, check this out.
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7500-vs-Intel-Core-i5-2500/3648vsm517
But then, if you check 2011's $170 card vs 2017's $170 card - the performance difference is 400%.
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-HD-6850-vs-AMD-RX-570/m7743vs3924
This is why you can't judge by release date, and can't compare CPUs to graphic cards as this is simply different types of hardware going different paths. Modern gaming CPUs have 8 cores, modern gaming GPUs have 4000+ cores - just different.

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Publicado originalmente por Perunakarhu:

Publicado originalmente por Brockenstein:

Well you're not going to convince me your lazy and useless post had any value. And your excuses for making it are your own.

I'm not even trying...

To rest of the readers, it still is bottleneck combo in some cases, way often than paired with similar year tech.

Well there's always a "bottleneck" in any system if you want to quibble about it badly enough. But since we agree that doesn't matter if performance is sufficient it kind of makes discussing bottlenecks unnecessarily pointless at best, and just trying to flex at worst.

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I had an i5-4590 paired with an RX 470. In games like Just Cause 3 and Assassin's Creed Origins (which have heavy cpu requirements) the 4590 was holding my gpu back. Upgraded to a Ryzen 7 2700 - whose IPC isn't much faster than Haswell, but has four times as many cores / threads - and my fps jumped considerably. But I had no trouble with less cpu-dependent games like The Witcher 3, so it depends on the game.

The i5-4590 isn't much faster than an over-clocked 2500k, so I suspect you'll face the same situation: adequate for a lot of games, bottlenecked in a few. And the RX 570 is still a very capable gpu today if you don't mind turning some settings down.