Razer synapse spyware?
So I heard that Razer tracks your keystrokes if you have some of their software installed, Is this true?
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İlk olarak Dr.Drake tarafından gönderildi:
So I heard that Razer tracks your keystrokes if you have some of their software installed, Is this true?
There is a feature that records all keys pressed (not their order, or anything you've typed, just a counter of how many times you pressed the key(s))
This is so they can create a 'heatmap' of used keys, it's pretty gimmicky, I found it a little intresting, but turned it off.
If you turn it off, it no longer records keys pressed.

It is not spyware.
It does however need an account to log in, I assume this is so you can keep your your lighting or macros over different PCs, or devices. Which isn't a bad thing, but I can see why people would dislike it.
It doesn't do any tracking and sending to Razer (if you look, it never uses any of your connection, unless it's updating.)

The whole Razer spyware thing is just a myth.

İlk olarak Zef Davenport tarafından gönderildi:
What you're describing here is actually a keylogger.
However, nowadays the line between spyware and normal software is kind of blurred, seeing how most companies have access to everything we do.
It's not, it doesn't record order, or timing between keypresses, just total count of each keypress for an optional feature.


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İlk olarak Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at tarafından gönderildi:
*removed bulk*
Okay, But is Razer's legitimate or for the purpose of stealing info?
Why would a company that makes millions, no billions, is one of the biggest brands in gaming, known by pretty much everyone, who makes anything you can imagine in the PC world (except for CPU and GPU), want to steal your account passwords? What would their goal with that even be?
They couldn't do anything, because if it was connected to them, they would have a huge lawsuit against them.

You already buy the products, what more could they need/want from you?

The Spyware thing makes no sense.

And, if you do care about your data, stop using Google products, Microsoft products, Apple products, Steam/Game launchers, don't let anyone connect to your home network, no better yet, don't connect your home network to your router.
Basically bock EVERYTHING, then you won't have anyone recording data on you.
Fact is, in some capacity, they're ALL tracking you, recording what you do, and selling it on, or using it for more marketing.

But, in regards to Razer, there's basically nothing happening, except for profile (lighting, macros, custom keyboard layouts, etc.) being stored on their cloud.

İlk olarak littlecat20160 tarafından gönderildi:
Upon Windows 10 launch , Kaspersky AV got it - Windows 10 was trasferring/stealing info but not long after that , Kaspersky was forced to mute this alert ! LOL
What info was this, exactly?
Or was it just ''''INFO''''' (Basically generic system information and/or crash reports)?



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İlk olarak Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at tarafından gönderildi:

Now-a-days?

In terms of the permissions that software is allowed, it was always like that.

Doki Doki Literature Club could have been made in the 1990s.
(It wasn't but it could have been.)


So, it's not blurred because of data collection but just because software has never been properly sandboxed or given any permissions restrictions for the average user on PCs.

If anything it's blurred because collecting keystrokes for legitimate functions, such as text-input, is very very close in nature to collecting keystrokes to steal your data. It's literally the same thing minus the part where it gets sent somewhere when in legitimate programs.

[Oh, and for the record, there are also legitimate programs that collect your keystrokes and send the data somewhere, such as crashed-program bug-reporters, that let you type in an explanation of what was going on when your program crashed and sends it as feedback to a company.]


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I know, I was just trying to make a point in how back in the day people tried to install extra programs in your system when you only wanted to install one, and today they're more likely to install them anyway, and you discover it afterwards.

I still remember trying to install good ol' software back in the day, and being asked if I wanted to install a lot more of "free" crap, and then you ended up with 15 toolbars and half of your screen covered in absolute stupidity.

The difference is now-a-days (is that how is written?) you don't even realize it's there, mostly because it's "legal" and "necessary" to sent important data about the app/system/game so they can improve it.
Unwanted programs, toolbars, cleaners, etc, have always existed, and will in some capacity, it's a marketing thing, getting people to use their tools so they can expand their userbase, or get money for recommending to install another companies tools.
You just have to untick the option to install/use it. Anyone with two braincells to rub together can avoid installing garbage.

You do, it still prompts you with installation boxes, and requests to install, no program like this will be installed in the background.
The only things Windows will auto-download without your consent are essential for system running, mouse/keyboard software isn't a requirement for system to run.

And that data, it does exactly that, there's nothing wrong with programs gathering a minimum amount of data to keep yours, and other peoples experience better.
Unless you're against software improvements, I don't see why you would be concerned about it grabbing that info either. It's not like it's grabbing things unrelated to it.
It would be a complete legal mess if it was, and would be plastered all over the news, and people would boycott the product/company that did it.

Oh, and the correct spelling is nowadays. One word, no hyphenation.
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İlk olarak Autumn_ tarafından gönderildi:
İlk olarak Dr.Drake tarafından gönderildi:
So I heard that Razer tracks your keystrokes if you have some of their software installed, Is this true?
There is a feature that records all keys pressed (not their order, or anything you've typed, just a counter of how many times you pressed the key(s))
This is so they can create a 'heatmap' of used keys, it's pretty gimmicky, I found it a little intresting, but turned it off.
If you turn it off, it no longer records keys pressed.

It is not spyware.
It does however need an account to log in, I assume this is so you can keep your your lighting or macros over different PCs, or devices. Which isn't a bad thing, but I can see why people would dislike it.
It doesn't do any tracking and sending to Razer (if you look, it never uses any of your connection, unless it's updating.)

The whole Razer spyware thing is just a myth.

İlk olarak Zef Davenport tarafından gönderildi:
What you're describing here is actually a keylogger.
However, nowadays the line between spyware and normal software is kind of blurred, seeing how most companies have access to everything we do.
It's not, it doesn't record order, or timing between keypresses, just total count of each keypress for an optional feature.


İlk olarak Dr.Drake tarafından gönderildi:
Okay, But is Razer's legitimate or for the purpose of stealing info?
Why would a company that makes millions, no billions, is one of the biggest brands in gaming, known by pretty much everyone, who makes anything you can imagine in the PC world (except for CPU and GPU), want to steal your account passwords? What would their goal with that even be?
They couldn't do anything, because if it was connected to them, they would have a huge lawsuit against them.

You already buy the products, what more could they need/want from you?

The Spyware thing makes no sense.

And, if you do care about your data, stop using Google products, Microsoft products, Apple products, Steam/Game launchers, don't let anyone connect to your home network, no better yet, don't connect your home network to your router.
Basically bock EVERYTHING, then you won't have anyone recording data on you.
Fact is, in some capacity, they're ALL tracking you, recording what you do, and selling it on, or using it for more marketing.

But, in regards to Razer, there's basically nothing happening, except for profile (lighting, macros, custom keyboard layouts, etc.) being stored on their cloud.

İlk olarak littlecat20160 tarafından gönderildi:
Upon Windows 10 launch , Kaspersky AV got it - Windows 10 was trasferring/stealing info but not long after that , Kaspersky was forced to mute this alert ! LOL
What info was this, exactly?
Or was it just ''''INFO''''' (Basically generic system information and/or crash reports)?



İlk olarak Zef Davenport tarafından gönderildi:
I know, I was just trying to make a point in how back in the day people tried to install extra programs in your system when you only wanted to install one, and today they're more likely to install them anyway, and you discover it afterwards.

I still remember trying to install good ol' software back in the day, and being asked if I wanted to install a lot more of "free" crap, and then you ended up with 15 toolbars and half of your screen covered in absolute stupidity.

The difference is now-a-days (is that how is written?) you don't even realize it's there, mostly because it's "legal" and "necessary" to sent important data about the app/system/game so they can improve it.
Unwanted programs, toolbars, cleaners, etc, have always existed, and will in some capacity, it's a marketing thing, getting people to use their tools so they can expand their userbase, or get money for recommending to install another companies tools.
You just have to untick the option to install/use it. Anyone with two braincells to rub together can avoid installing garbage.

You do, it still prompts you with installation boxes, and requests to install, no program like this will be installed in the background.
The only things Windows will auto-download without your consent are essential for system running, mouse/keyboard software isn't a requirement for system to run.

And that data, it does exactly that, there's nothing wrong with programs gathering a minimum amount of data to keep yours, and other peoples experience better.
Unless you're against software improvements, I don't see why you would be concerned about it grabbing that info either. It's not like it's grabbing things unrelated to it.
It would be a complete legal mess if it was, and would be plastered all over the news, and people would boycott the product/company that did it.

Oh, and the correct spelling is nowadays. One word, no hyphenation.
So would they only collect keystrokes if I had a Razer keyboard? Thanks for the answer, I do take my privacy pretty seriously so It's good to know that there's no form of maliciousness.
İlk olarak Zef Davenport tarafından gönderildi:
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The difference is now-a-days ... you don't even realize it's there, mostly because it's "legal" and "necessary" to sent important data about the app/system/game so they can improve it.

"Legal" is just a term that means "rules that don't apply to people who are wealthy".

I'd say "rules that don't apply to people who have expensive lawyers" but I have experience dealing with law-breakers who got away with what they did... and they didn't need a lawyer; no one ever questioned their integrity (except me but I don't matter). In fact the authorities helped them get away with their crimes by helping them get rid of "inconvenient" evidence.

Oh well... a little bit of data-leaking probably won't be nearly as damaging as that was...

Personally, I'm still going to limit what I run, though, since I don't know how to manually sandbox new software, which is the appropriate way to deal with the concern presented in this topic.

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İlk olarak Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at tarafından gönderildi:
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Now-a-days?
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... now-a-days (is that how is written?) ...

It's usually written without spaces but I have a habit of conjoining or breaking things up into their key-parts with hyphens. "ice-cream", "pineapple-pen", [etc. I didn't actually finish this list before posting or notice]

This might not be correct & sometimes I do it implicitly without thinking about it. It just makes it more legible, imo, though. It also clearly communicates which nouns that other nouns (acting as adjectives / descriptors) go with in certain situations where it would otherwise be ambiguous.

I also do it with prefixes & suffixes because spell-check doesn't tend to understand those so "prefilled" gets red lines under it but "pre-filled" makes it complain a little less & in some prefix situations it makes spell-check stop complaining all together.


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En son Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏 tarafından düzenlendi; 5 Eyl 2021 @ 14:33
@Autumn_,
Usually when people have doubts about their privacy , it s natural to turn to AV programs to make sure they are secure . But it could be gently covered .
İlk olarak Rock Head tarafından gönderildi:
Yep, and they’ll log into your bank account and purchase Corsair mice!

lol. :steamhappy:

The worst you can say about software like Synapse is that it's bloatware. Meaning, whatever I want to do with this keyboard outside of plug-and-play (no, that's NOT one word), I can find a shortcut for it on the net.

But labeling Synapse "spyware" and "keylogger" is untrue. It had a zero day that required direct access and I believe it's been patched. Probably that's why it's being pushed thru Windows Update recently.

Zero days can happen to anyone.
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İlk olarak Rock Head tarafından gönderildi:
Yep, and they’ll log into your bank account and purchase Corsair mice!

lol. :steamhappy:

The worst you can say about software like Synapse is that it's bloatware. Meaning, whatever I want to do with this keyboard outside of plug-and-play (no, that's NOT one word), I can find a shortcut for it on the net.

But labeling Synapse "spyware" and "keylogger" is untrue. It had a zero day that required direct access and I believe it's been patched. Probably that's why it's being pushed thru Windows Update recently.

Zero days can happen to anyone.
What is a zero day?
İlk olarak Autumn_ tarafından gönderildi:
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You just have to untick the option to install/use it. Anyone with two braincells to rub together can avoid installing garbage.
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Sometimes you are not given that option, because an installer is shady at best or malicious at worst. ...but also because glitches happen, so while they may have intended for you to be able to opt out, a bug in the software can cause it to skip over that screen, showing it for only a fraction of a second before advancing.

I had that problem once, and the places AVG forced itself into were just horrid. It was a "legitimate" install version, it just didn't get my permission before doing so, due to the bug & "default is opt out" model instead of "default is opt in". Their toolbar was disgusting, very hard to remove, and now I despise their product.

Any time that the default for any unexpected & bundled item in an installer, product, or service, anywhere in life, is "opt out" after an install, or service update, then that is something that, due to errors, and / or other accessibility issues, is being forced upon some people & didn't actually receive their consent ...if given a large enough sample size of users / customers.


İlk olarak Autumn_ tarafından gönderildi:
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Unless you're against software improvements, I don't see why you would be concerned about it grabbing that info either. It's not like it's grabbing things unrelated to it.
It would be a complete legal mess if it was, and would be plastered all over the news, and people would boycott the product/company that did it.
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This is a very naive view of both how malware & the operations of "the justice system" work.

Sometimes things work correctly but even the collective of people isn't omniscient & given the amount of dogmatic willful ignorance in society, actually quite a lot of bad things fall through the cracks...

[Now, that said, your arguments as to why "Razer" is probably not malicious are quite sound.]

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Zero days can happen to anyone.
What is a zero day?

Type of software exploit that isn't known about yet but often can be used by a malicious actor, such as a hacker, to escalate privileges if they do something like send you a piece of data (maybe through the web-browser, maybe through a chat-client, there's a lot of ways for this to happen) that does something like cause a buffer overflow and make your legitimate software engage in unintended behaviors (that the malicious actor most likely did intend, though, but the developer of the software being exploited did not intend).

Asking Google might provide more detail if that's not a good enough explanation for you.


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En son Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏 tarafından düzenlendi; 5 Eyl 2021 @ 14:30
I'm interested
Do you need a software which is not that needed.

BTW, Ryzer Synapse 3 is using Amazon's A.I. Alexa so there is sort of spyware
"Zero day" refers to a brand-new, fresh software vulnerability that hasn't been discovered or patched by the software maker yet. Big firms like Google or Microsoft frequently have bounty hunters that expect to be paid for the flaws they uncover, that could potentially be exploited by mals.

Humans create software and despite the best efforts, occasionally a mistake in the coding can allow a malicious individual/s to bust his/her way thru and create issues on one's machine somewhere.

An exploit is the successful breach of an otherwise benign software with a flaw in its coding. A payload is the malware that is dumped thru the exploit or hole in the software in order to execute something (like ransomware or a backdoor heaven forbid) onto a compromised machine.

Don't worry. Usually one has to go out and actively ask for bad stuff to happen--like running a browser without security ext. that hasn't been patched in like six months or something.

Edit for typos and to add some more text.
En son plat tarafından düzenlendi; 5 Eyl 2021 @ 16:25
İlk olarak A&A tarafından gönderildi:
I'm interested
Do you need a software which is not that needed.

BTW, Ryzer Synapse 3 is using Amazon's A.I. Alexa so there is sort of spyware
You can choose not to download that
i ve got the feeling that the longest post was rewarded , LOL ! (no , i dont care ). i doubt the question was answered . Anyway .
İlk olarak littlecat20160 tarafından gönderildi:
i ve got the feeling that the longest post was rewarded , LOL ! (no , i dont care ). i doubt the question was answered . Anyway .

It has the most relevant information to the topic.

I may disagree with a few of his points but I certainly can recognize that the points he makes about why Razer, more likely than not, is not malware & probably does not contain malware, are very convincing.


:seewhatyoudid:
Disagree , not convincing at all - just human hopes . All - Microsoft , Google and etc collect data but are not considered as spyware . LOL
İlk olarak littlecat20160 tarafından gönderildi:
Disagree , not convincing at all - just human hopes . All - Microsoft , Google and etc collect data but are not considered as spyware . LOL
Ah
Policy and justifications :D
İlk olarak littlecat20160 tarafından gönderildi:
i ve got the feeling that the longest post was rewarded , LOL ! (no , i dont care ). i doubt the question was answered . Anyway .


I read the entire post so and felt it was the most relevant and answered my question. So no, It was not because it was long
İlk olarak littlecat20160 tarafından gönderildi:
Disagree , not convincing at all - just human hopes . All - Microsoft , Google and etc collect data but are not considered as spyware . LOL

Cool, let me know about that time there was Microsoft or Google ransomware or when they used people's social security numbers & credit card numbers to commit identity theft & make fraudulent purchases.

The stuff they do with data collection is rather undesirable at times but it's not the same as outright malware.


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