is it better to just get the 6900XT then the 3080ti?

[Kumoko]

right now the MSRP of all nvidia seems to b quite high compared to the amds side which i can buy for near its msrp at my retail shop which would roughly save me $700 more the card i had in mind was the evga ftw3 and the amd sapphire one im not actually in a rush to buy rn but might get one before xmas or maybe close to it as sales might happen?

[mtono]

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

AMD still loses... poor and few driver updates, stability, reliability...

i dont get it!? how did you make your conclusion? i had a few AMD gfx boards in the past since 1997, and i never had a problem with a card made by AMD. one was defective and did not work. the concerns, nvidia too, release their cards, when they work. most problems are software related and a driver update is sometimes able to fix this. why is AMD a, i dont want to be offensive, dumb choice?

[Haruspex]

owl rly? eredeti hozzászólása:

why is AMD a, i dont want to be offensive, dumb choice?

They're not. Just like I mentioned I have a bias against Nvidia for no good reason, the person you're responding to has a bias against AMD for no good reason, he just won't admit it.

Maybe he did have a bad experience with an AMD card. Maybe he just read plenty of misguided information suggesting AMD is unreliable that cemented in his biases.

[r.linder]

I'd prefer an NVIDIA GPU over an AMD GPU any day after my experiences with both brands (I've used an ASUS RX 270X, Sapphire RX 580, Gigabyte 5700-XT and RTX 2080, and MSI 1070 Ti and 2080 Ti), because:

1) Better quality video cards in general; better components that tend to last longer, more solid feeling, quieter fans

2) NVIDIA runs cooler, especially since RDNA, as AMD's newer GPUs have a maximum temperature of approx. 110 degrees in order to allow more headroom to keep up with NVIDIA

3) NVIDIA's drivers are better developed and less prone to issues. I've had more than my fair share of problems with AMD's rather poor drivers like many users, apparently unlike some people here that adamantly defend AMD's drivers just because they didn't have any issues yet. Every time AMD releases a new GPU, it tends to break the drivers for a lot of users.

[xSOSxHawkens]

8bitbeard eredeti hozzászólása:

owl rly? eredeti hozzászólása:

why is AMD a, i dont want to be offensive, dumb choice?

They're not. Just like I mentioned I have a bias against Nvidia for no good reason, the person you're responding to has a bias against AMD for no good reason, he just won't admit it.

Maybe he did have a bad experience with an AMD card. Maybe he just read plenty of misguided information suggesting AMD is unreliable that cemented in his biases.

I thought to mention this the first time around, but feel free to do even the slightest bit of research on Nvidia on their history and you will find plenty of reasons to dislike them and have bias.

I will openly state, despite owning and running Nvidia gear, I think the company is horrible, and I do try to avoid them unless there is overwhelming reason not to, which at times, there have been.

I wont ever argue that they dont make amazing hardware, they do. If that is the litteral only thing you care about in your purchase decision, they have been and likely will be, the best for most of modern GPU history (though not for all of it, there are times AMD has taken the crown all around).

But if you care even the slightest about how the company treats its customers, how it treats its OEM/Board Vendors, how it treats it suppliers, how it treats the open market, how it behaves with regard to their own IP vs the good of the whole, then by all means, there is more than enough to go around regarding Nvidia.

All of which is fair game in most any purchasing decision...

_____________________


As for me? I will never ever make an Nvidia purchase without thinking first and foremost about the time Nvidia intentionally cheaped out on the quality of the silicon used in the G84/86 cores, resulting in many of the first DX10 gaming laptops having their GPU cores crack from repeated stress from hot/cold, often just outside warranty. First they blamed consumers. Then they blamed laptop makers. Then they blamed the Supplier who went public with the fact they had warrend NV not to do it. They NV finally took the heat they desereved.

That right there is the number one reason personally I think not twice but three times before I purchase NV. Why? I had to go through 3xRMA's for the same reason, before it was finally declared too old and no longer RMA'able for the same reason again... Hardware and problems I would not have dealt with if NV had not cheaped out and then copped out.

Maybe ancient history, but their recent shenanigans with closed garden aproaches to DLSS/RT and their fun with the card/OEM branding a few years ago dont seem to indicate the company enthos has changed at all.

(Then theres the 8800 era Driver that killed cards...)

/minor-rant

[Komarimaru]

xSOSxHawkens eredeti hozzászólása:

8bitbeard eredeti hozzászólása:

They're not. Just like I mentioned I have a bias against Nvidia for no good reason, the person you're responding to has a bias against AMD for no good reason, he just won't admit it.

Maybe he did have a bad experience with an AMD card. Maybe he just read plenty of misguided information suggesting AMD is unreliable that cemented in his biases.

I thought to mention this the first time around, but feel free to do even the slightest bit of research on Nvidia on their history and you will find plenty of reasons to dislike them and have bias.

I will openly state, despite owning and running Nvidia gear, I think the company is horrible, and I do try to avoid them unless there is overwhelming reason not to, which at times, there have been.

I wont ever argue that they dont make amazing hardware, they do. If that is the litteral only thing you care about in your purchase decision, they have been and likely will be, the best for most of modern GPU history (though not for all of it, there are times AMD has taken the crown all around).

But if you care even the slightest about how the company treats its customers, how it treats its OEM/Board Vendors, how it treats it suppliers, how it treats the open market, how it behaves with regard to their own IP vs the good of the whole, then by all means, there is more than enough to go around regarding Nvidia.

All of which is fair game in most any purchasing decision...

_____________________


As for me? I will never ever make an Nvidia purchase without thinking first and foremost about the time Nvidia intentionally cheaped out on the quality of the silicon used in the G84/86 cores, resulting in many of the first DX10 gaming laptops having their GPU cores crack from repeated stress from hot/cold, often just outside warranty. First they blamed consumers. Then they blamed laptop makers. Then they blamed the Supplier who went public with the fact they had warrend NV not to do it. They NV finally took the heat they desereved.

That right there is the number one reason personally I think not twice but three times before I purchase NV. Why? I had to go through 3xRMA's for the same reason, before it was finally declared too old and no longer RMA'able for the same reason again... Hardware and problems I would not have dealt with if NV had not cheaped out and then copped out.

Maybe ancient history, but their recent shenanigans with closed garden aproaches to DLSS/RT and their fun with the card/OEM branding a few years ago dont seem to indicate the company enthos has changed at all.

(Then theres the 8800 era Driver that killed cards...)

/minor-rant

no one cares about past performance or errors. What matters now, is AMD's drivers are so bad, you have to change them based on what game you want to play. Wanted to play Horizon Zero Dawn on my 6900XT? Had to roll back to driver 21.3.1 Wanted the fixes for Cyberpunk 2077? Had to reinstall newer drivers, meaning can't play others games now.

When Radeon was ATI, they were good. Since AMD bought them, they've become utter junk in the driver department. At least Nvidia actively and constantly upgrades their drivers and tries to fix errors. AMD? They just have a growing list of games their drivers won't work on.

[xSOSxHawkens]

Komarimaru eredeti hozzászólása:

xSOSxHawkens eredeti hozzászólása:

I thought to mention this the first time around, but feel free to do even the slightest bit of research on Nvidia on their history and you will find plenty of reasons to dislike them and have bias.

I will openly state, despite owning and running Nvidia gear, I think the company is horrible, and I do try to avoid them unless there is overwhelming reason not to, which at times, there have been.

I wont ever argue that they dont make amazing hardware, they do. If that is the litteral only thing you care about in your purchase decision, they have been and likely will be, the best for most of modern GPU history (though not for all of it, there are times AMD has taken the crown all around).

But if you care even the slightest about how the company treats its customers, how it treats its OEM/Board Vendors, how it treats it suppliers, how it treats the open market, how it behaves with regard to their own IP vs the good of the whole, then by all means, there is more than enough to go around regarding Nvidia.

All of which is fair game in most any purchasing decision...

_____________________


As for me? I will never ever make an Nvidia purchase without thinking first and foremost about the time Nvidia intentionally cheaped out on the quality of the silicon used in the G84/86 cores, resulting in many of the first DX10 gaming laptops having their GPU cores crack from repeated stress from hot/cold, often just outside warranty. First they blamed consumers. Then they blamed laptop makers. Then they blamed the Supplier who went public with the fact they had warrend NV not to do it. They NV finally took the heat they desereved.

That right there is the number one reason personally I think not twice but three times before I purchase NV. Why? I had to go through 3xRMA's for the same reason, before it was finally declared too old and no longer RMA'able for the same reason again... Hardware and problems I would not have dealt with if NV had not cheaped out and then copped out.

Maybe ancient history, but their recent shenanigans with closed garden aproaches to DLSS/RT and their fun with the card/OEM branding a few years ago dont seem to indicate the company enthos has changed at all.

(Then theres the 8800 era Driver that killed cards...)

/minor-rant

no one cares about past performance or errors. What matters now, is AMD's drivers are so bad, you have to change them based on what game you want to play. Wanted to play Horizon Zero Dawn on my 6900XT? Had to roll back to driver 21.3.1 Wanted the fixes for Cyberpunk 2077? Had to reinstall newer drivers, meaning can't play others games now.

When Radeon was ATI, they were good. Since AMD bought them, they've become utter junk in the driver department. At least Nvidia actively and constantly upgrades their drivers and tries to fix errors. AMD? They just have a growing list of games their drivers won't work on.

If you are having to uninstall and reinstall to play different games its not the drivers, there is something more wrong with your build (hw/OS). Only exception to this overall rule (regardless of maker/brand) would be if its a brand new game with a new game ready driver or the AMD counterpart, in which case its one time install with no re-roll. Again, this is regardless of AMD, NV, or Intel, all three same rules apply.

As for the issues with Horizon you seem to have, its not down to the drivers not being good for the game, they litterally just patched it a month ago with performance boosts

https://www.pcgamer.com/latest-amd-radeon-driver-is-tuned-for-horizon-zero-dawn-grounded-and-hyper-scape/

BTW, list of known issues down to 12 total (not specific to that game, 12 total at time of publishing).

Again, not saying issues dont exist, I personally *had* the black screen issue in the past due to mixed refresh + freesynch (a known past cause). My current gripe would be that the driver app has some weird full screen issue where it sometimes just dissapears. They also have a litteral list of confirmed known issues and are realitively quick to add new ones when found.

But I will continue to state that I believe most driver issues are overblown and in most cases not actually the drivers.

[mtono]

DeadPhoenix eredeti hozzászólása:

owl rly? eredeti hozzászólása:

i think it doesnt matter. i would go for AMD...i am a fan.

;-D

Not a very helpful reply. Both AMD and Nvidia make solid GPU's. But AMD driver support is not as smooth compared to Nvidia. So on some titles you might have issue's and have revert back to older version. On Nvidia 95% of the time it just works regardless of the drivers you're using. So if you don't mind putting up with some troubleshooting and want GPU's for lower prices go with AMD. If you hate troubleshooting and don't mind paying a bit extra go Nvidia.

i am sorry? what is your source for the information you gave? i think all you need is to feel sympathy for a concern. i feel sympathy for AMD, though i have a 1660 super nvidia. it is all the same: IBM-PC-COMPATIBLE. IBM (industrial business machines, USA) invented the pc standard...as far as i know and a gfx board has to be compatible. not more, not less. so how do you know, that one of the concerns builds better gfx boards? faster is not always better and compatibilty is necassary to sell pc hardware. thats all imho.

[Komarimaru]

xSOSxHawkens eredeti hozzászólása:

Komarimaru eredeti hozzászólása:

no one cares about past performance or errors. What matters now, is AMD's drivers are so bad, you have to change them based on what game you want to play. Wanted to play Horizon Zero Dawn on my 6900XT? Had to roll back to driver 21.3.1 Wanted the fixes for Cyberpunk 2077? Had to reinstall newer drivers, meaning can't play others games now.

When Radeon was ATI, they were good. Since AMD bought them, they've become utter junk in the driver department. At least Nvidia actively and constantly upgrades their drivers and tries to fix errors. AMD? They just have a growing list of games their drivers won't work on.

If you are having to uninstall and reinstall to play different games its not the drivers, there is something more wrong with your build (hw/OS). Only exception to this overall rule (regardless of maker/brand) would be if its a brand new game with a new game ready driver or the AMD counterpart, in which case its one time install with no re-roll. Again, this is regardless of AMD, NV, or Intel, all three same rules apply.

As for the issues with Horizon you seem to have, its not down to the drivers not being good for the game, they litterally just patched it a month ago with performance boosts

https://www.pcgamer.com/latest-amd-radeon-driver-is-tuned-for-horizon-zero-dawn-grounded-and-hyper-scape/

BTW, list of known issues down to 12 total (not specific to that game, 12 total at time of publishing).

Again, not saying issues dont exist, I personally *had* the black screen issue in the past due to mixed refresh + freesynch (a known past cause). My current gripe would be that the driver app has some weird full screen issue where it sometimes just dissapears. They also have a litteral list of confirmed known issues and are realitively quick to add new ones when found.

But I will continue to state that I believe most driver issues are overblown and in most cases not actually the drivers.

Maybe don't link an article from mid 2020 and look stupid in the process. Look at AMD's drivers where they state they don't work on HZD unless on 21.3.1

21.8.2
Open Broadcaster Software™ may continue to run in the background after a user ends a recording session and closes the application.
Visual artifacts in PAYDAY™ 2 may be observed during gameplay on some AMD Graphics products such as Radeon™ RX 6800 XT.
AMD is investigating a black screen issue that may be experienced while playing Myst™ or Kingshunt™ on some Radeon™ RX 6800 XT graphics products. A temporary workaround is to disable Performance Metrics Overlay or Radeon™ Image Sharpening in Radeon Software.
Driver timeouts may be experienced while playing a game & streaming a video simultaneously on some AMD Graphics products such as Radeon™ RX 500 Series Graphics.
Radeon Software may crash or become unresponsive while playing some DirectX® 11 games such as PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds™ with multiple displays connected in extended mode.
Playing Horizon Zero Dawn™ for an extended period may lead to a driver timeout or game crash on some AMD Graphics products such as Radeon™ RX 6700 XT.
Enhanced Sync may cause a black screen to occur when enabled on some games and system configurations. Any users who may be experiencing issues with Enhanced Sync enabled should disable it as a temporary workaround.
Connecting two displays with large differences in resolution/refresh rates may cause flickering on Radeon RX Vega series graphics products.
Radeon performance metrics and logging features may intermittently report extremely high and incorrect memory clock values.

21.6.1
Resident Evil Village™ may experience an intermittent application hang or TDR on AMD Radeon VII graphics products in the first mission of the game.
Enhanced Sync may cause a black screen to occur when enabled on some games and system configurations. Any users who may be experiencing issues with Enhanced Sync enabled should disable it as a temporary workaround.
Connecting two displays with large differences in resolution/refresh rates may cause flickering on Radeon RX Vega series graphics products.
An Oculus service error may be received on Radeon RX 5000 & 6000 series graphics products which prevents the Oculus Link setup software from running.
Radeon performance metrics and logging features may intermittently report extremely high and incorrect memory clock values.
If Ryzen Master is not detected in Adrenalin software after installation, a system restart may be required.
If Blue or Black screen is observed in mobile systems, temporarily disable Enhanced sign-in
A driver mismatch error may appear when two versions of Radeon software (Windows Store & AMD Support versions) are installed on your system. As a temporary workaround, launch the Windows Store version of Radeon software.
AMD is investigating an issue that may cause a small impact to battery life on AMD Ryzen 5000 notebooks.
A Blue or Black screen may be observed after updating to the latest Radeon Software. A workaround is to disable core isolation.
AMD is investigating a D3 error code that may be seen in some motherboard after updating to the latest Radeon Software.
Lower than expected performance may be observed on select AMD Athlon™ mobile systems.

Yep.... Totally my end!
I didn't return it for no reason. I'll sooner get on a waiting list for hardware I have seen works better then keep using hardware that's limited by faulty drivers.

[DeadPhoenix]

owl rly? eredeti hozzászólása:

DeadPhoenix eredeti hozzászólása:

Not a very helpful reply. Both AMD and Nvidia make solid GPU's. But AMD driver support is not as smooth compared to Nvidia. So on some titles you might have issue's and have revert back to older version. On Nvidia 95% of the time it just works regardless of the drivers you're using. So if you don't mind putting up with some troubleshooting and want GPU's for lower prices go with AMD. If you hate troubleshooting and don't mind paying a bit extra go Nvidia.

i am sorry? what is your source for the information you gave? i think all you need is to feel sympathy for a concern. i feel sympathy for AMD, though i have a 1660 super nvidia. it is all the same: IBM-PC-COMPATIBLE. IBM (industrial business machines, USA) invented the pc standard...as far as i know and a gfx board has to be compatible. not more, not less. so how do you know, that one of the concerns builds better gfx boards? faster is not always better and compatibilty is necassary to sell pc hardware. thats all imho.

Software is just as important as hardware. If the software is lacking the hardware cannot properly do its job. That's why AMD driver's are either hit or miss.

I bought a 5700XT a few years back. And it was a nightmare. Games were constantly crashing, and sometimes my system would lock up all together and had to do a hard reboot. And this was on a fresh Windows installation with barely anything installed, except for a browser, steam and AMD drivers.

After a few weeks i decided i had enough, and went back to Nvidia. And after that i didn't had a single problem.

So if you don't mind the extra troubleshoot go AMD. But i learned my lesson. And i'll stick to consoles when it comes to AMD. At least it just works. And don't have re-install a different driver for each game i play.