My gaming pc has never been stable for the past 2 years

[aBigGoofyGamer]

I've been a pc gamer for 2 years and honestly, it's been a 50/50 experience. Half the older games id play on my Xbox don't run in any capacity on my pc (batman arkham city) and other games crash to the point of me finding them unplayable. (witcher series). Sometimes my hardware will just give up(oculus rift s and ram...) The good expirences I've had on my computer are unfortunately few and far between. It's causing me and my family untold amounts of anguish. I don't know what to do anymore. I've tried repair places, to the point of being a regular at a few of them, and nothing. They say it's fixed or that there isn't any issues only for my pc to ♥♥♥♥ up again a few days later. I don't know what to do anymore...

http://speccy.piriform.com/results/OhXlA7hXRRPigfrXzAXEYrR Here are my specs.

[Nothgott]

Got the same Problem with Windows 10, So I went back to WIndows 7 AND: no problems anymore with crashes like blue screen etc...
why your gpu has only half RAM? Is some transformator unit dmged or is the RAM damaged????

[aBigGoofyGamer]

Messaggio originale di Nothgott:

Got the same Problem with Windows 10, So I went back to WIndows 7 AND: no problems anymore with crashes like blue screen etc...
why your gpu has only half RAM? Is some transformator unit dmged or is the RAM damaged????

Nah, it's just speccy being speccy apparently. If win 7 gave me stability, I'd go for it, but I really like windows 10's layout. Kinda what I grew up on

[aBigGoofyGamer]

Messaggio originale di Illusion of Progress:

Messaggio originale di _I_:

no, ddr = double data rate, ddr # = freq x2
ddr 3600 = 1800mhz

edit: showing fsb at 99.8 is a slight underclock
ram multi may be a little low, should be 17 x 99.8 = 1796, and it shows 1733
will not harm anything unless the rest of the timings are not set correctly

The 1,733 MHz is because the board (apparently) has a maximum RAM speed support of 3,466 MHz.

If that is simply using the maximum XMP profile BUT running sower than rated (meaning it's usuing the same timings but running slower) then it's unlikely the RAM itself is unable to do those timings unless it wasn't good enough to do the rated ones to begin with. I'd personally probably set RAM back to default 2,133 MHz just to rule it out for now though.

Update the BIOS for sure.

Update the drivers. Just having outdated drivers alone won't cause instability... unless they were unstable to begin with, which matches your description, so try this.

Messaggio originale di ShadowX1312:

Wait the bsod would stay on my screen until I did something to make it go away?! I thought this entire time my pc had been crashing with bsod like the reliability manager said and then restarted itself?

No, you're right too. By default, Windows will automatically restart when it encounters a BSOD, although you can disable this to make it behave like it originally did (which would just pause on that screen without automatically restarting after). I personally disable the automatic restart because sometimes a BSOD occurs and then restarts after so fast that you don't even know it was a BSOD (you can look in Event Viewer for clues after though and find out) so sometimes my mind operates as though that's the default.

If you can use a program like "WhoCrashed" it can give further information for was involved in the BSOD for the average person. The second one is referencing "nvlddmkm.sys" and "Ampere" so I presume the GPU was involved in that one. The first one has less clues but looking up the Event ID of 144 (this doesn't mean this was it) also shows a lot on information claiming it MAY be the graphics card driver. I think your GPU and/or GPU drivers OR part of the underlying system it replies on (chipset drivers or BIOS may be at play) are unstable. You're getting a lot of instability in games too which supports this.

Here's what I'd do.

First, update the BIOS. If you're not confident doing it, find someone or a service that will. As Carlsberg mentioned, you should absolutely not be on a beta BIOS unless it is entirely necessary, and I'd even recommend not to update this in normal circumstances unless you're having issues. I imagine you updated it to give your board support for that CPU so it may have been somewhat necessary at the time, and as I said, some of the earlier ones were known to cause issues, which is why I asked if you had issues before the CPU upgrade too. "Fix" this first (may not fix your issues but it's something to rectify anyway).

Secondly, disable "XMP" so the RAM is running at 2,133 MHz. Just make a note you did it so you can enable it again later. It's just a single setting to switch in the BIOS each time.

Third, update the chipset drivers and GPU drivers (and any others that may have updates, such as audio or network or whatnot). You can use "DDU" (Display Driver Uninstaller) to remove existing GPU drivers entirely before installing the new ones. I've, personally, never had to use this (I just install new over old OR do a standard uninstall if going backward to older) except maybe once back with a GeForce 4 or GeForce 6800 but I'd recommend it here. It doesn't hurt other than costing more time.

After that, it's sort of test driving.

If you have "optional" stuff that isn't necessary, you can remove them for now to rule them out. After years of no BSODs under Windows 7, Windows 10 gave me another reason to not like it by giving me the first one in forever because I disconnected a USB drive from it, so you'd be surprised what can cause it.

Kinda a dumb question, but is there any way that my system is reporting false crashes? I did some more digging in event viewer and found nothing. I even specifically filtered for errors/critical events that occurred around that time and still nothing. Checked the dump file s and only found one from the 13th. I'll for everything you said, though I have used msi live update which was supposed to keep me up to date automatically and let me scan for possible updates.

[76561198343548661]

There is a node called app , not only system

Edit
in Event viewer

[aBigGoofyGamer]

Messaggio originale di littlecat20160:

There is a node called app , not only system

In event viewer? Sry kinda confused as to what ur talking about here.

[Illusion of Progress]

Messaggio originale di ShadowX1312:

Kinda a dumb question, but is there any way that my system is reporting false crashes? I did some more digging in event viewer and found nothing. I even specifically filtered for errors/critical events that occurred around that time and still nothing. Checked the dump file s and only found one from the 13th. I'll for everything you said, though I have used msi live update which was supposed to keep me up to date automatically and let me scan for possible updates.

Well, you were witnessing these symptoms and issues, right? So I wouldn't suspect they are fake. What you are describing is the opposite; that issues occurred but weren't logged.

It's possible something cleared the entires, like some cleaning program?

Typically, everything is logged, but BSODs and memory dumps may not be logged entirely if you have your page file disabled (don't do this) or set too small (don't do this), though I think this would just prevent the memory dump and not the logging of it as having occurred.

[aBigGoofyGamer]

Messaggio originale di Illusion of Progress:

Messaggio originale di ShadowX1312:

Kinda a dumb question, but is there any way that my system is reporting false crashes? I did some more digging in event viewer and found nothing. I even specifically filtered for errors/critical events that occurred around that time and still nothing. Checked the dump file s and only found one from the 13th. I'll for everything you said, though I have used msi live update which was supposed to keep me up to date automatically and let me scan for possible updates.

Well, you were witnessing these symptoms and issues, right? So I wouldn't suspect they are fake. What you are describing is the opposite; that issues occurred but weren't logged.

It's possible something cleared the entires, like some cleaning program?

Typically, everything is logged, but BSODs and memory dumps may not be logged entirely if you have your page file disabled (don't do this) or set too small (don't do this), though I think this would just prevent the memory dump and not the logging of it as having occurred.

Oh no I never witnessed the BSODs, only heard about them in the reliability manager. Sorry if I described it like that. I don't use any cleaning programs so that shouldn't be happening. Don't think I've messed with the page files at all

[_I_]

disable auto reboot on bsod
https://www.evga.com/support/faq/FAQdetails.aspx?faqid=59175

[aBigGoofyGamer]

Messaggio originale di _I_:

disable auto reboot on bsod
https://www.evga.com/support/faq/FAQdetails.aspx?faqid=59175

Unfortunately my luck was at an all time low when installing the new bios. At 95 percent, the computer shut off. Any attempts to turn it on are met with a black screen. Im pretty sure I did everything right. I might have to bring the thing in to another repair place...

[_I_]

ok, dont panic yet
it does not have backup bios, but can flash bios from usb with its flashbios button

the flash bios port, us next to the button on the rear io panel

Updating BIOS with Flash BIOS Button
Before updating:
Please download the latest BIOS file that matches your motherboard model from MSI®
website and rename the BIOS file to MSI.ROM. And then, save the MSI.ROM file to the
root of USB flash drive.
Important
Only the FAT32 format USB flash drive supports updating BIOS by Flash BIOS Button.
1. Connect power supply to CPU_PWR1 and ATX_PWR1. (No other components are
necessary but power supply.)
2. Plug the USB flash drive that contains the MSI.ROM file into the Flash BIOS Button
port on rear I/O panel.
3. Press the Flash BIOS Button to flash BIOS, and the LED next to the button starts
flashing.
4. After the flashing BIOS process is 100% completed, the LED would be off
simultaneously.

bios files here for B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC#down-bios
the file you download is zipped, unzip the bin file to the usb stick
then rename it to MSI.ROM (folder view options and untick hide extensions)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTkXunUAriE

[aBigGoofyGamer]

Messaggio originale di _I_:

ok, dont panic yet
it does not have backup bios, but can flash bios from usb with its flashbios button

the flash bios port, us next to the button on the rear io panel

Updating BIOS with Flash BIOS Button
Before updating:
Please download the latest BIOS file that matches your motherboard model from MSI®
website and rename the BIOS file to MSI.ROM. And then, save the MSI.ROM file to the
root of USB flash drive.
Important
Only the FAT32 format USB flash drive supports updating BIOS by Flash BIOS Button.
1. Connect power supply to CPU_PWR1 and ATX_PWR1. (No other components are
necessary but power supply.)
2. Plug the USB flash drive that contains the MSI.ROM file into the Flash BIOS Button
port on rear I/O panel.
3. Press the Flash BIOS Button to flash BIOS, and the LED next to the button starts
flashing.
4. After the flashing BIOS process is 100% completed, the LED would be off
simultaneously.

bios files here for B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC#down-bios
the file you download is zipped, unzip the bin file to the usb stick
then rename it to MSI.ROM (folder view options and untick hide extensions)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTkXunUAriE

Did it. The thing flashed for a while, restarted, and then black screen

[_I_]

the cpu your using has no igpu, so the mobos dvi/dp/hdmi/vga will not work
make sure the dedicated gpu is fully inserted, and all pci-e power connectors are plugged into it

[aBigGoofyGamer]

Messaggio originale di _I_:

the cpu your using has no igpu, so the mobos dvi/dp/hdmi/vga will not work
make sure the dedicated gpu is fully inserted, and all pci-e power connectors are plugged into it

Nope, thing won't turn on. Guess my moba finally died. Not blaming anyone but my mobos manufacturer. Seems like either my board was bad to their bios was bad. Either way, gives me an excuse to grab a ROG mobo now. I'll get the new mobo and see how it goes, but honestly, I'm thinking it's drivers. I mean, I've replaced every single part of my computer now lol, it has to be drivers or windows

[Illusion of Progress]

Yikes. Sorry to hear that happened. If the power went out while it was flashing, this would likely render it useless, but as mentioned, you should have a way with some boards to do a blind flash. If this isn't working then yeah your board is useless as-is.

[emoticorpse]

in your case you may want to consider investing in a UPS to plug that PC into.