RTX 3070 TI for 800 euros, 3060 TI for 650 or RTX 3080 for 10000

[SHREDDER]

Currently, my pc technciian is searching for fans to replace the two that broken on my GTX 970 after 6 yearsa nd 9 months that i have it(since november 2014). If he dont find fans then i will need to get a new card. While he searches for cards on some shops that he knows it is cheaper than others i also did my research.
Currently, cheaper RTX 3060 costs 500 euros RTX 3060 650 and RTX 3070 900 and RTX 3070 TI EAGLE OC 800. All of them are much better than GTX 970 so should i give 800 euros and get the RTX 3070 TI?
PC IS now is
CPU: RYZEN 7 1700
RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15 GS KILL RIP JAWS
GPU: GTX 970 G1 GAMING 4GB
HDD1: WD BLACK 4TB
HDD2: 1TB
PSU: CORSAIR 750M 750 WATT
MONITOR:DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS
MOTHERBOARD:ASUS PRIME X370 PRO
SSD: MP 600 2TB WRITE 4950MB/S READ 4250 MB/S

About the PSU requiremnerts on 3070ti who says it needs 750 watt or higher and ihave exactly 750 watt my pc technciian said it is very good the one i have and that corsair makes good psu and even if i decide to get 3070 ti it will work ok. So will i not need to chnage psu even if i get 3070 ti? For 3060 and 3060ti it is okas those need 600 watt psu. But what about 3070 ti?

[Supafly]

Should you give 800 for a GPU = entirely upto you. It's your money so only you can decide if you're prepared to pay that much for a GPU

As for PSU it depends on lots of things. The tier you're current PSU is. Lower tier and it's age....could mean it struggles to supply and even maintain a high output. Plus I'm sure I've seen some brands of 3070 ti recommend 850w. Besides the one's recommending 850 watt I don't see an issue with a 750w PSU, provided the PSU is a good quality PSU.

First thing is to decide if you're preferred to spend that much on a GPU. Not us, you. Personally I'm not prepared to pay current prices.

[emoticorpse]

I would get a 3070 ti

[SHREDDER]

Publicado originalmente por Supafly:

Publicado originalmente por SHREDDER:

My pc technciana lso said the same that it is crazy to spent so mucn on a gpu oc cpu or any other pc compoents tnat it is betst to to search and find new fans for my gtx 970 so it can continue work until avalaibilitty and prices return back to normal Because since october that search for gpus in shops most of the time they dont have anything. I will take my decision today when i talk with him iand he will tell me if he found fans or not. If not then i will have no choice than to buy new graphics card. But when even 3060 a card that is 200% faster than gtx 970 and its price is 300 euros they sell it for 500 euros currently you understand that yes he is right whenh e say that it is not recomed to spend so much on a graphics card.

Could consider water cooling the GPU. If your case and the GPU allows for it that is

Ι dont overclcock but here in Greecer we have very hot summer and it is only on summer that temperatures are high. But now we know that in this case it wasnt due to summer but because the 2 of the 3 fans of the gpu are dead. Anyway i will have news later today or tomorow from my pc technciian.

[Illusion of Progress]

Presuming you mean 1,000 euros and not actually 10,000 euros, I think the RTX 3080 represents a better deal than the RTX 3070 Ti at those prices. The standard RTX 3070 and to a slightly lesser extent the RTX 3070 Ti are only surpassed in being the worst value in the lineup by the standard RTX 3060. Usually you'd either get the RTX 3060 Ti or just go for the RTX 3080, though the RTX 3070 (and 3070 Ti and even standard 3060) does have its (their) place.

It's worth mentioning that your CPU won't let you get the full benefit of the upgrade the higher you choose to go. However, I would not at all let this prevent you from getting an RTX 3080, as you'll still get a massive increase by stepping up, which is what ultimately matters. Comparing frame rates on your CPU to ones years and years newer is a pointless endeavor. But you could always upgrade in a few years and if you have say, an RTX 3080 instead of an RTX 3060 Ti, you'll be that much further away from a new GPU upgrade. And honestly, if you sit on GPUs that long and if you have the willingness to part with 1,000 euros, I'd say go for the RTX 3080.

I do agree with your acquaintance that today's pricing is overly excessive (this, and not having budget in the same realm as yours, is why I might be on my GTX 1060 another year or two). If you're willing to sit on your GTX 970 for another year or two, you can wait. However, I wouldn't expect this to be a case of keeping your ear to the ground each day/week/whatever and hoping pricing gets drastically better though as I personally don't think it will. I expect it to be much more gradual and thus take much longer.

[SHREDDER]

I dont thinl that we must keep out gtx 970/gtx 1060 for 1 or 2 years. That too long. A this time you will be able to get a card as powerful as rtx 3080 or betterfor 500 euros or even less but as i said will make my decision when i talk with my pc technician it all depends on if he will find fans for gtx 970 or not. If instead of getting rtx 3070ti or rtx 3070 wait until rtx 4000 relaase then we will be able to get rtx 4070 for the price of rtx 3070 but will be as powerful as rtx 3080 or rtx 3080 ti. Cpu ram and moterboad upgrades i will do it later when pci 5.0 and DDR5 releases.

[dOBER]

Omg you are.. if your technican finds a replacement fan?

Takes me 3 sec to find an available fan for your card.

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Link doesnt work here on steam because its aliexpress. Find it by yourself.

How is it possible you are not able to use google by urself and need a technican for it?

Oh wait i remember it must be local shop in your small hometown because you dont order online. /facepalm

[Monk]

Goes to show how bad your tech is that it took more than 2 minutes to find a replacement fan.

As for prices, it's almost as if we have been telli g you to put your name down at evga for the last 10 months!!! So you can get a card at msrp after 2 or 3 months-ish.

As I've said, go for a 3060ti or step up to a 3080 and upgrade the cpu to a 5600/5800x while your at it.

If you can afford it, just buy the card, so what if it costs you alot extra right now, it sucks, but, if you can afford it, you could of been enjoying your new card for nearly 10 months already!!!

If on the other hand spending this money on a new gpu will be a negative impact on your finances abd day to day living, buying it is a big mistake.

Only you can say which camp you fall into.

[Agent]

I’m going to be honest and say your CPU is too weak for anything more than an RTX 2060. Even then I’m pretty sure that’s a bottleneck on 1080p.

[Illusion of Progress]

Publicado originalmente por Rock Head:

I’m going to be honest and say your CPU is too weak for anything more than an RTX 2060. Even then I’m pretty sure that’s a bottleneck on 1080p.

I heavily disagree with the notion that you need whatever CPU allows you to get the most out of a GPU in order to make upgrading the GPU worthwhile. Yes, you'll get more performance in situations where the GPU isn't the limiting factor with a faster CPU than a slower one. That doesn't mean you need it to justify it. It's really interesting to me that this mindset has become more prevalent in recent times despite CPU advancements slowing. Years and years ago, I didn't see this as often.

This mindset also always fails to provide the necessary prerequisite that it implies and needs to support it, which is a strict baseline for what level of CPU performance you need for a certain level of GPU performance, and the reason this can't be provided is simple; it's impossible as it is not even a static thing. It varies so, so wildly from game to game and even sometimes within the same game from moment to moment. So how are you even going to define this? The most common I've seen is "well look at these benchmarks and CPU A gets better results than CPU B so that means CPU doesn't cut it" which is... no, that's really poor supporting material. That just means that, shockingly, a faster CPU is faster. The CPUs of tomorrow will give better results than those of today too. Does that then imply those of today are too slow?

This mindset needs to die, because what it's REALLY advocating is "you need to more regularly upgrade your entire platform for GPU upgrades to get the most of it". The people who want that are already doing it, and that is fine to do if you want it, but for the rest, no, it's not absolutely mandatory.

[Agent]

Publicado originalmente por Illusion of Progress:

Publicado originalmente por Rock Head:

I’m going to be honest and say your CPU is too weak for anything more than an RTX 2060. Even then I’m pretty sure that’s a bottleneck on 1080p.

I heavily disagree with the notion that you need whatever CPU allows you to get the most out of a GPU in order to make upgrading the GPU worthwhile. Yes, you'll get more performance in situations where the GPU isn't the limiting factor with a faster CPU than a slower one. That doesn't mean you need it to justify it. It's really interesting to me that this mindset has become more prevalent in recent times despite CPU advancements slowing. Years and years ago, I didn't see this as often.

This mindset also always fails to provide the necessary prerequisite that it implies and needs to support it, which is a strict baseline for what level of CPU performance you need for a certain level of GPU performance, and the reason this can't be provided is simple; it's impossible as it is not even a static thing. It varies so, so wildly from game to game and even sometimes within the same game from moment to moment. So how are you even going to define this? The most common I've seen is "well look at these benchmarks and CPU A gets better results than CPU B so that means CPU doesn't cut it" which is... no, that's really poor supporting material. That just means that, shockingly, a faster CPU is faster. The CPUs of tomorrow will give better results than those of today too. Does that then imply those of today are too slow?

This mindset needs to die, because what it's REALLY advocating is "you need to more regularly upgrade your entire platform for GPU upgrades to get the most of it". The people who want that are already doing it, and that is fine to do if you want it, but for the rest, no, it's not absolutely mandatory.

GPU’s cost far more than CPU’s, especially in these times. Therefore, any wasted FPS due to CPU bottlenecking is wasted cash.

[Prof. Insanity]

Depends also on what you plan to do with you computer.
1080p, 2K or even 4K gaming?
For 1080p a 3060 Ti is good value, I don't recommend the 3060 because the jump is visible, it's still a decent card how ever.
If you directly plan to future proof for 1080p, go with 3070, I didn't saw any massive difference between the 3070 and the 3070 Ti, so the 3070 is probably better value, but because of the bad GPU availabillity, the 3070 Ti is more available and some are even cheaper as far I saw.
If you go for a 3080, it depends A LOT if you 750W power supply will be enough or not.
There are 3080 with 2x 8pins and 3x 8pins as well some models are overclocked already.
Tests revealed very well, that some PSU units could shut down you computer when it peaks.
There are also 3090 with 2x pins and 3x pins, that being said.
What is more important is you CPU, the RYZEN 7 1700, I am not a experienced with AMD CPU's but I know the 1000 models are not the best compared to the 3000 and 5000 models, there might be a bottleneck, but someone else should confirm that, at least when you go with a 3080 card.

EDIT: I actually had to check how much wattage the RYZEN 7 1700 has. I think there should not be many problems. In case you upgrade to a more power hungry CPU there might be Problems with 3x pins 3080 cards with a 750w unit. At least there is not much space for overclocking in case you have that in mind.

[76561198343548661]

The cheapest is to find those fans , otherwise , considering you need at least double 3D performance , you need RTX 3060 ti or better , Newegg are selling RTX 3060ti for $820 (even $770) Considering price/performance ratio at this moment - the best choice for you is RTX 3060ti (other than finding the fans)

[Soulreaver]

I'd say get the most performance you can afford and never look back.
The headache one can get and all the time one can invest in researching something like that to safe a few 100 bucks is often times not worth the money you safe.

But to be blunt. My honest opinion would be. Look at your 1000€ budget and replace your CPU with a better CPU that fits in your 370 Motherboard and buy a decent CPU cooler (~50€). For whatever is left over buy the best GPU you can get.

Regarding the PSU I find it damn unlikely you will have any problems if you don't overclock the crap out of your CPU and GPU.

I run 9900k/2080ti/ 32GB Ram on an similarly old 550W PSU. I can even overclock my GPU. It's close to it's limit and I'll definetly get a new PSU soon (because I plan a somewhat hardcore overclock) but it does work without any problems for now.

If your PSU is fine and doesn't show signs of faulty behaviour there's no need to replace it.
A 3080 draws around 350W max and a CPU around 150 max. The rest of your system will be around 20-30W max. You are safe on that part.

[76561198343548661]

His CPU is still going strong

Of course , the faster the better

[UserNotFound]

I think it's time to end this drama once and for all, either go 'cheap' and snag the RTX 3060 for 500, or go balls out and snag the RTX 3070 Ti Eagle for 800. Go ahead and fix the fans on the GTX 970, it can be a back up card should (heavens forbid) happen to your main card. Aren't you tired of all this lip you're getting, like in the movie Zombieland, Tallahassee (woody Harrelson,) would say, "It's time to nut up, or shut up!".