Sceptr 2020 年 12 月 13 日 下午 12:00
Northbridge Chipset And Thermal Paste?
I'm in the process of upgrading an old LGA 775 motherboard with an Intel Q6600 PC into a new case and i've heard that it's a good idea to put some new thermal paste on the Northbridge and Southbridge chipset's especially if the parts are roughly 14 years old now.

Now the Northbridge chipset under the heatsink has a square window like padding around it but away from the actual chipset and the chipset itself has some clear looking sealant on it that makes the chip look like it has a glass like finish. I'm posting some pics of the chipset and under the heatsink of the chipset.

My question is: Can i add a small amount of thermal paste to the chipset as it is or should i remove the clear sealant first or just leave the heatsink and chip as it is?

https://i.ibb.co/JtgvtR1/IMG-3194.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/R6xRNL1/IMG-3190.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/yqPWVhX/IMG-3192.jpg
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Illusion of Progress 2020 年 12 月 17 日 下午 4:32 
Chipset should be okay passively cooled, especially at those temperatures (even if they are off a bit in the "reporting colder than they are" direction by a bit). The X38 I had on the Maximus Formula was known to run around 50C to 55C and it was fine passively cooled as well. Adding a fan is just another point of potential failure, noise, and dust (even if it's minor).

Rest looks good too.

CPU is what's running warm. If it was for secondary, personal use, I'd say mayyyybe you could get by with it if you watch it, but if this is for a gift for someone young, I would be cautious about giving it to them with the CPU basically right on the line. It needs better cooling for the CPU.
Sceptr 2020 年 12 月 17 日 下午 5:19 
Here's a picture of the case with the mobo in place just so i could see if it fitted ok, the front of the case where i'm going to mount the spare fan i have will go in between the top DVD / CD bays and the HDD / SSD bays at the bottom, with the fan being in the middle i'm hoping that will cool the chipsets as it will be pointing directly at them.

https://i.ibb.co/84xx2nd/IMG-3201.jpg

I'm also a little worried about the CPU being on the hot side and the user being so young so i'll not let her have the pc unless i can cool the CPU to hopefully around 40c or lower at idle, i think the Hyper 212 EVO has only the CPUFAN connection to attach to the mobo which will be no problem as long as the EVO isn't too tall for the case though i will try the H80 in there first, i think i will have to power that with a molex connection along with the CPUFAN which would also be ok, the PSU is modular so no worries there.

The new owner doesn't know about the pc yet as it's been kept a secret, mainly because we were unsure if it would have been ready in time but it's looking good.

I'll post some results with the H80 tomorrow and thank you for your comments.
Illusion of Progress 2020 年 12 月 18 日 上午 1:14 
Chipsets will be fine. If the temperatures your monitor reported are in any way accurate, they're running cool.

Don't worry about CPU idle temperature; it's not as important. Load temperature is the warmest it will be and that is what will matter. I'd try and get the load temperature down around 15C+ from where it is now because 100C is too hot. I'd try and aim to be below 85C (80C would be better). Like if it were in the 70s when gaming and maybe bliping above 80C just here and there and not by much, that'd still be on the warm side (that's about how my CPU is; soon I'll be dealing with mine) but passable and probably expected for stock cooling on some chips.
Sceptr 2020 年 12 月 23 日 上午 3:45 
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最後修改者:Sceptr; 2020 年 12 月 23 日 上午 3:52
Illusion of Progress 2020 年 12 月 23 日 下午 2:06 
Though it's one sample only, you went from running much warmer than my CPU to substantially cooler. Emphasizes my need to replace my stock cooler as well (I'm not having any thermal issues yet but it's definitely running pretty hot).

For future reference, maybe take an picture of the program you're using instead of all that information with is mostly unneeded. Many don't seem to use it as much these days (especially with Ryzen systems, as I've found it not as accurate on my own), but my go-to for older systems is HWMonitor, purely for it's lack of fluff information in providing just the essentials.

As for that GTX 570, I doubt it's struggling to keep up with the CPU. It's a newer GPU than the CPU, but remember that Crysis was (is?) a demanding game. Big thing you may run into is issues where VRAM is low, as that card had some unusual value just above 1 GB is memory is serving right (I had a GTX 560 Ti). You can't really go with anything too fast and modern without drastically bottlenecking it due to the old CPU. A GTX 1050-ish, just to get more VRAM (4 GB), would be the most I'd consider putting with such a CPU, and even that'd probably be limited a bit.
Sceptr 2020 年 12 月 27 日 下午 12:32 
Yes i'm pleased with the CPU results and yes it does sound like you should get the old thermal paste out and give your CPU a little TLC, that said my i9 is running around 37-45C with only two twitch channels open and my 980 is 50C right now. Hmmm.

I ended up reapplying thermal pads and paste on the GTX 570 late on Xmas eve with it being the only part that had not yet been cleaned up and i found it quite enjoyable to do and achieved results which was very satisfying.

Before the cleanup

https://i.ibb.co/xjWPY0b/1.jpg

Taking off the old thermal pads

https://i.ibb.co/QD6M1bT/2.jpg

Isopropanol Alcohol clean up

https://i.ibb.co/PDXLx95/3.jpg

Came out looking nearly like new

https://i.ibb.co/xjtMzVc/4.jpg

New Arctic 1 mm thermal pads applied

https://i.ibb.co/J3VDVy1/5.jpg

Looking good now

https://i.ibb.co/R2t9M3r/7.jpg

And finally the thermal paste

https://i.ibb.co/rQCk13W/8.jpg

Looking presentable now

https://i.ibb.co/S0m67jG/9.jpg

Side view

https://i.ibb.co/2W5F504/10.jpg

My next project is trying to cool down an old XFX GTX 280 that i remember years ago hitting insane temps hovering quite often in the 90's to 100's C, in my mind i can picture it reaching 130C but i must have been wrong. Right now i'm wanting to double check those temps before i clean the card up but i'm struggling to get it running on my current pc because of drivers but i'll post about that problem in a different thread.

As for the build for my great niece it went well, she was using her new pc all day yesterday but this morning my sister said the monitor is only showing the Intel screen. Talking over the phone about trying to get to the Bios screen and by sending her various phone pics of where to look on the motherboard for the Cmos battery which is covered by the graphics card she decided they can wait until i visit them in a few days. I have an SSD with the original conversion from Vista to W7 to W10 and i just know that the pc will boot from that drive then boot from the pc's SSD next time round.

Good point on the amount of useless info i copy pasted as monitoring data, tbh i thought someone may know what it all means but just temps will always tell the story. I've actually got HWMonitor running now hence i know my pc parts could do with being a little cooler.

I'll not bother upgrading the 570 with the board my great niece has, i'm thinking of going for an LGA 1155 board in the future with most probably an i7 and hopefully got some cheap parts along with ram.

Once again thank you for you help Illusion it was interesting and fun.

EDIT: I changed the Corsair 100R case for a 200R because with the water cooler there just wasnt enough room and the graphics card bays didn't have individual screws for the PCI E slots and such, the 200R was £5 more and you get two fans included, it's also got more depth for the cooler and is sturdier than the 100R imo.
最後修改者:Sceptr; 2020 年 12 月 27 日 下午 12:40
Illusion of Progress 2020 年 12 月 27 日 下午 2:16 
Looks like a good job; I miss my old GTX 560 Ti.

I gave my old LGA 1155 platform (though it only had a Core i5) with an overclocked CPU and 16 GB RAM to my nephew and he's been happy with it. He bought a new case to house it in so he feels like he ha a proper PC now (well, he does I guess, even if it's aged). He's using a GTX 650 and I'm trying to convince him it needs an upgrade now. But he had a Core 2 Duo E8400 and half the RAM before so I guess it alleviated enough issues he's fine with it since he's never been used to more. I have a Core 2 Duo in my HTPC and I've actually toyed with the idea of putting a Core 2 Quad in it, since you can find the Q9450/9550 used for ~$25 (I wouldn't consider the Q6600 since it has an E8600 in it now and that'd be a bit of a downgrade per core performance).

My CPU itself (and its heatsink and fan) are not that old so it doesn't need a new thermal paste application. What my issue is is that I actually need is a new heatisnk and fan entirely. Modern CPUs just run much warmer with all the self boosting and everything, and stock cooling is just enough but won't keep them as cool as aftermarket ones will. You can tweak it to get it down a bit, but it's not harmful as it is. I was just pointing out how much of a drop you achieved.
Sceptr 2020 年 12 月 27 日 下午 4:44 
Oh yes i understand with the temps and your cooler now, my i9 has a H150i Pro Rgb 360mm three fan cooler and is actually warmer than the Q6600 with the H80. I read before i bought the i9 CPU that it can run hot so needs a decent cooler and i was made redundant two years ago so i was able to get some dream parts, one of which my 2080 TI is back again at the suppliers and has apparently been back to MSI but the HDMI port on the card is still faulty, i only discovered the fault because i was / am using three display ports on the card now the 980 and have a fourth HDMI monitor which was originally using a display port to HDMI cable. I bought another Asus 27 inch 144Hz monitor so needed the display port for that.

While messing with the 775 board with it's modern limitations i was having fun getting things to work like buying a usb three to usb two adaptor because the front of the 200R case has a usb three front header cable and there's only usb two plugs on the mobo. I got the case for future projects and have asked my sister to buy a Corsair 750W semi modular Gold rating PSU so it will be able to take any card like the 2080 TI with its three power connections and have room to tick over nicely without stressing the PSU out, it's an investment. She's borrowed my back up pc's PSU for now. My back up pc by the way is an LGA 1155 with an i7 2600K and is still a good pc but struggled a little on BF5

When i get the 775 mobo and Q6600 back after my great niece has upgraded i plan to try out overclocking just for the fun of it and not have to worry about stressing a cheap board, that said i might buy another cheap board and mess with that. at the moment though my great niece is thrilled to bits with her new pc and was on it for at least 12 hours yesterday lol.

All good fun.
RichardArkaxKarvai 2024 年 3 月 18 日 下午 3:18 
引用自 Sceptr
Thank you for all of your comments they were interesting and helpful.

I used thermal paste on the Northbridge and Southbridge chipsets and i think i used just a little bit too much but i've taken the paste off again to see how they had spread so i can reapply it again.

I'm going to show you some how i applied the paste and the spread of the paste pics.

Northbridge before and after

https://i.ibb.co/hd3W1C0/IMG-3209.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/VVxT0cW/IMG-3228.jpg

Southbridge just the after.

https://i.ibb.co/8zMkmHj/IMG-3225.jpg

CPU before and after

https://i.ibb.co/Hgkm70S/IMG-3216.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/MMxsLHs/IMG-3221.jpg

I did some test boots out of the case and used HWMonitor for the temps, the CPU tended to idle at the temps shown here and hovered around the 85c mark while running Crysis on high settings. Do you think the idle temps are normal or ok for the Intel Q6600 CPU while using the supplied heatsink fan (seen in the pics) and do you think the 85c is too hot while gaming. I'm pretty sure the CPU did briefly rise to 100c on a reset but came back down fairly fast eventually hovering round the idle temps mark.

Are the Northbridge and Southbridge chipset temps shown here, i can't make them out?

Idle Temps.

Hardware monitor Fintek F71882F
Voltage 0 3.34 Volts [0xD1] (+3.3V)
Voltage 1 1.20 Volts [0x96] (CPU VCORE)
Voltage 2 2.10 Volts [0x83] (VIN2)
Voltage 3 1.15 Volts [0x62] (VIN3)
Voltage 4 4.83 Volts [0x73] (+5V)
Voltage 5 11.88 Volts [0x87] (+12V)
Voltage 6 1.74 Volts [0x6D] (VIN6)
Voltage 7 3.34 Volts [0xD1] (VSB3V)
Voltage 8 3.22 Volts [0xC9] (VBAT)
Temperature 0 50 degC (122 degF) [0x32] (TMPIN0)
Temperature 1 39 degC (102 degF) [0x27] (TMPIN1)
Fan 0 1262 RPM [0x4A5] (FANIN0)
Fan 1 1388 RPM [0x439] (FANIN1)
Fan PWM 0 51 pc [0x82] (CPU)
Fan PWM 1 83 pc [0xD4] (System Fan 1)
Fan PWM 2 83 pc [0xD4] (System Fan 2)
Fan PWM 3 83 pc [0xD4] (System Fan 3)
Register space LPC, base address = 0x0290

00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F
00 FF 03 00 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 51 55 4C 00 00
10 00 00 00 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
20 D1 9C 81 61 72 87 6D D0 C8 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
30 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
40 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
50 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 03 04 10 19 34 FF
60 00 00 00 00 FF FF 02 79 00 00 FF 0E 40 24 FF 08
70 FF FF 32 FF 27 FF 80 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
80 FF FF 64 4B 64 4B 55 4B FF FF FF FF FF FF A8 FF
90 00 0C 0C 00 26 FF 05 FF 44 02 FF 15 55 55 FF 1A
A0 04 A5 00 82 0F FF 41 3C 37 32 FF C0 A1 82 63 0D
B0 04 57 00 D4 03 FF 3C 32 28 1E FF EA D4 C0 AA 0E
C0 0F FF 0A FE 02 A0 3C 32 28 1E FF D9 A6 80 66 0F
D0 0F FF 0F FF 03 FF 3C 32 28 1E FF D9 B2 99 80 0F
E0 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 3B FF 00 00 FF 00 FF FF FF FF

Hardware monitor D3D

Hardware monitor NVIDIA NVAPI
Voltage 0 0.91 Volts [0x391] (GPU)
Temperature 0 41 degC (105 degF) [0x29] (GPU)
Fan 0 1530 RPM [0x5FA] (GPU #0)
Fan PWM 0 41 pc [0x29] (FANPWMIN0)
Clock Speed 0 405.00 MHz [0x195] (Graphics)
Clock Speed 1 324.00 MHz [0x144] (Memory)
Clock Speed 2 810.00 MHz [0x32A] (Processor)


Processors
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of sockets 1
Number of threads 4

APICs
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Socket 0
-- Core 0 (ID 0)
-- Thread 0 0
-- Core 1 (ID 1)
-- Thread 1 1
-- Core 2 (ID 2)
-- Thread 2 2
-- Core 3 (ID 3)
-- Thread 3 3

Timers
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

ACPI timer 3.580 MHz
Perf timer 10.000 MHz
Sys timer 1.000 KHz


Processors Information
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Socket 1 ID = 0
Number of cores 4 (max 4)
Number of threads 4 (max 4)
Manufacturer GenuineIntel
Name Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
Codename Kentsfield
Specification Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
Package (platform ID) Socket 775 LGA (0x4)
CPUID 6.F.B
Extended CPUID 6.F
Core Stepping G0
Technology 65 nm
Core Speed 1594.9 MHz
Multiplier x Bus Speed 6.0 x 265.8 MHz
Base frequency (cores) 265.8 MHz
Base frequency (ext.) 265.8 MHz
Rated Bus speed 1063.3 MHz
Stock frequency 2400 MHz
Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, EM64T, VT-x
Microcode Revision 0xBA
L1 Data cache 4 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 4 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache 2 x 4096 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64-byte line size
Max CPUID level 0000000Ah
Max CPUID ext. level 80000008h
FID/VID Control yes
FID range 6.0x - 9.0x
Max VID 1.288 V



Temperature 0 63 degC (145 degF) (Core #0)
Temperature 1 62 degC (143 degF) (Core #1)
Temperature 2 52 degC (125 degF) (Core #2)
Temperature 3 55 degC (131 degF) (Core #3)
Clock Speed 0 1594.90 MHz (Core #0)
Clock Speed 1 2392.35 MHz (Core #1)
Clock Speed 2 2392.35 MHz (Core #2)
Clock Speed 3 1594.90 MHz (Core #3)
Core 0 max ratio (effective) 9.0
Core 1 max ratio (effective) 9.0
Core 2 max ratio (effective) 9.0
Core 3 max ratio (effective) 9.0
I know im most probably very late to this but those tempetures are absolutely abnormal for a 775 system , im running an overclocked Q8200 to 3.3GHz and im not going anywhere above 72C since the Tcase temp is just 71.4C
Bad 💀 Motha 2024 年 3 月 18 日 下午 3:24 
Yes but Core2Duo and Core2Quad
are easily good for 85-90*C
最後修改者:Bad 💀 Motha; 2024 年 3 月 18 日 下午 3:25
_I_ 2024 年 3 月 18 日 下午 3:36 
yea, be sure to look at the cpu core temps, not the mobo socket temp sensor
thats always 20+c lower than cores and will lag behind by a few minutes
Bad 💀 Motha 2024 年 3 月 18 日 下午 3:45 
Yes you have Socket vs CPU Cores
Socket can sometimes be hotter. But yes nothing wrong with removing a chipset heatsink and clean both the chip and heatsink surfaces and apply a small amount of new fresh paste. As on those old boards, given the age and if original paste, that old paste would not being still doing a good job.
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