Avoid VA Panels at all cost?

[Memes]

Looking to get a 144hz 1080p monitor but most of the monitor below $180 all got VA Panels and I heard VA Panels should be avoided if I would be playing fast paced games. Is it really a big deal so I should look out for it?

[Jotun]

Memes původně napsal:

Jotun původně napsal:

Nah. Already had this conversation many times: they're not bad if you buy good ones, just like IPS don't ghost nearly as much as they used to, TN colors and contrasts have improved quite a lot. I can vouch for the Dell s2719dgf at the very least.

So pretty much VA good but dont cheap out. Is this MSI Optix G27C5 27" [www.bestbuy.com] good?

I would say: if you don't want ghosting and that's the thing you want the least, don't even risk a VA. Get a good IPS or TN.

[Out Of Bubblegum]

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/06/18/gaming-monitor-panel-types-explained/

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Here:

3600
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9nm323/amd-ryzen-5-3600-36-thz-6-core-processor-100-100000031box

3600X
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3WYLrH/amd-ryzen-5-3600x-38-thz-6-core-processor-100-100000022box

Hyper212 EVO Black Edition
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HyTPxr/cooler-master-hyper-212-black-edition-420-cfm-cpu-cooler-rr-212s-20pk-r1

[SoldierScar]

VA is maybe fine for 60hz as it doesn't need fast response times, but for 144hz nope. They are slow, just get IPS.

[Memes]

Bad 💀 Motha původně napsal:

Here:

3600
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9nm323/amd-ryzen-5-3600-36-thz-6-core-processor-100-100000031box

3600X
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3WYLrH/amd-ryzen-5-3600x-38-thz-6-core-processor-100-100000022box

Hyper212 EVO Black Edition
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HyTPxr/cooler-master-hyper-212-black-edition-420-cfm-cpu-cooler-rr-212s-20pk-r1

Those are the compatible CPU for the B550 motherboard but apparently the 2700X also worked and even the 1st gen ryzen CPU as well

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Then that is up to you. If 2700X is cheaper and available maybe try it. Just be mindful of where you buy from just in case you need to return the cpu.

3600 for 220$ is not bad. The X and XT aren't worth it.

If a 3600 wasn't enough the next logical step up is a 3700X

[r.linder]

Bad 💀 Motha původně napsal:

Jotun původně napsal:

Yeah , why would you get a TN with such a low refresh rate when this type of panel can be very "fast" with high refresh rate and high response time?

All TN are bad though.

27 inch with 1080p

Regarding TN being bad in general, that's not even true. I have a 240Hz TN panel and I find it's much better in terms of ghosting than my 144Hz VA panel, both are ASUS ROG STRIX models.
There are good and bad monitors for every panel type, but VA is by far the worst for many gamers across the board. My TN has virtually no ghosting while my VA has extremely bad ghosting, to the point where you'd be better off using a cheap TV. Seriously.

And regarding, 27" for 1080p, also a bad idea due to pixel density. The few extra inches makes a difference, take it from someone who uses a 24" and 27" 1080p and seriously regrets buying the latter due to prior inexperience (it was my first high refresh panel, sue me)
Pixel density can make a decent difference to overall display quality. Anything above 24" for 1080p really isn't worth buying.

TL;DR
TN is often the fastest and best for having minimal ghosting at high refresh rates, but you sacrifice color quality. The average response time of TN panels is around 5ms.

VA has the best contrast and is great for slow paced immersive titles, but for anything serious you'll regret buying one due to horrible ghosting, as it's one of the slowest panel types. The average response time for VA panels is around 8~10ms.

IPS is dead center between the two, and is a jack of all trades. It's not the fastest, but it's fast, and it doesn't look the greatest and doesn't have very good contrast, but it looks better than TN. The average response time for IPS panels is around 6~7ms.

To reiterate, I seriously regret buying (a relatively higher end) VA panel and would never recommend it. Other people who have used similar panels have agreed and preferred TN.

[Memes]

Escorve původně napsal:

Bad 💀 Motha původně napsal:

All TN are bad though.

27 inch with 1080p

Regarding TN being bad in general, that's not even true. I have a 240Hz TN panel and I find it's much better in terms of ghosting than my 144Hz VA panel, both are ASUS ROG STRIX models.
There are good and bad monitors for every panel type, but VA is by far the worst for many gamers across the board. My TN has virtually no ghosting while my VA has extremely bad ghosting, to the point where you'd be better off using a cheap TV. Seriously.

And regarding, 27" for 1080p, also a bad idea due to pixel density. The few extra inches makes a difference, take it from someone who uses a 24" and 27" 1080p and seriously regrets buying the latter due to prior inexperience (it was my first high refresh panel, sue me)
Pixel density can make a decent difference to overall display quality. Anything above 24" for 1080p really isn't worth buying.

I dont want to go through the return hassle and get a VA panel and there's heavy ghosting on it.

[r.linder]

Memes původně napsal:

Escorve původně napsal:

Regarding TN being bad in general, that's not even true. I have a 240Hz TN panel and I find it's much better in terms of ghosting than my 144Hz VA panel, both are ASUS ROG STRIX models.
There are good and bad monitors for every panel type, but VA is by far the worst for many gamers across the board. My TN has virtually no ghosting while my VA has extremely bad ghosting, to the point where you'd be better off using a cheap TV. Seriously.

And regarding, 27" for 1080p, also a bad idea due to pixel density. The few extra inches makes a difference, take it from someone who uses a 24" and 27" 1080p and seriously regrets buying the latter due to prior inexperience (it was my first high refresh panel, sue me)
Pixel density can make a decent difference to overall display quality. Anything above 24" for 1080p really isn't worth buying.

I dont want to go through the return hassle and get a VA panel and there's heavy ghosting on it.

You're better off being rid of it while you still can. I can't return mine and it's not even worth selling it because I'd be lucky to get even half of what I paid for it, and I'd still get low-balled 99% of the time.

Don't put it off because you don't feel like it, it's not worth it. Don't get stuck with horrid ghosting.

[Jotun]

Memes původně napsal:

Escorve původně napsal:

Regarding TN being bad in general, that's not even true. I have a 240Hz TN panel and I find it's much better in terms of ghosting than my 144Hz VA panel, both are ASUS ROG STRIX models.
There are good and bad monitors for every panel type, but VA is by far the worst for many gamers across the board. My TN has virtually no ghosting while my VA has extremely bad ghosting, to the point where you'd be better off using a cheap TV. Seriously.

And regarding, 27" for 1080p, also a bad idea due to pixel density. The few extra inches makes a difference, take it from someone who uses a 24" and 27" 1080p and seriously regrets buying the latter due to prior inexperience (it was my first high refresh panel, sue me)
Pixel density can make a decent difference to overall display quality. Anything above 24" for 1080p really isn't worth buying.

I dont want to go through the return hassle and get a VA panel and there's heavy ghosting on it.

I had the exact same criteria while choosing my monitor and that's why i went with the Dell s2719dgf (27 inches, 1440p, 144 to 155Hz, Freesync but can get GSync on Dislay Port). I didn't regret it. It's a very good TN monitor for the price and I can barely see the difference color wise with another Dell monitor I have at work (non gaming, it's a 60 Hz, 27 inches, 2k IPS monitor).

[r.linder]

Jotun původně napsal:

Memes původně napsal:

I dont want to go through the return hassle and get a VA panel and there's heavy ghosting on it.

I had the exact same criteria while choosing my monitor and that's why i went with the Dell s2719dgf (27 inches, 1440p, 144 to 155Hz, Freesync but can get GSync on Dislay Port). I didn't regret it. It's a very good TN monitor for the price and I can barely see the difference color wise with another Dell monitor I have at work (non gaming, it's a 60 Hz, 27 inches, 2k IPS monitor).

I was extremely elated when I first used my XG248Q (1080p 23.8" 240Hz TN) because it was such a massive improvement over the XG27VQ (1080p 27" 144Hz VA), there's no real competition outside of needing the color quality.

[Ariortega]

Brother, a question: why not save a little bit more bucks and go for a LG OLED 48 CX ? It has an OLED panel, is capable of 4K @ 120HZ, has VRR and is G-Sync compatible. Is that something that would be an option for you?

[Memes]

Ariortega původně napsal:

Brother, a question: why not save a little bit more bucks and go for a LG OLED 48 CX ? It has an OLED panel, is capable of 4K @ 120HZ, has VRR and is G-Sync compatible. Is that something that would be an option for you?

I dont need a tv though. Just need a monitor that got good color accuracy and doesnt cause heavy ghosting pretty much.

[Talby]

I went with a 2nd gen 1500R VA panel, under 4ms input lag and has some decent MBR (motion blur reduction) for FPS - a far cry from the 1st gen 1800R series, was the C24G1 check out the review here[pcmonitors.info], was a killer deal @$150 and I needed a replacement for my ancient Acer TN that was suffering from reduced backlighting / old age, it works for me

https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/aoc-c24g1/

pcmonitors C24g1 review původně napsal:

...3.97ms (under 2/3rds of a frame @144Hz) of input lag...

..With MBR enabled, at 100Hz (above) you can see a decrease in perceived blur due to eye movement even when compared to 144Hz with the technology deactivated...

Check out the details under "Perceived blur (pursuit photography)" and see for yourself - won't beat a TN panel but the better colors and crazy contrast ratios sold me. The contrast really shows in darker scenes in space / horror / adventure / driving games, if you're an FPS junkie probably not worth it.

[Tiberius]

Ariortega původně napsal:

Brother, a question: why not save a little bit more bucks and go for a LG OLED 48 CX ? It has an OLED panel, is capable of 4K @ 120HZ, has VRR and is G-Sync compatible. Is that something that would be an option for you?

Fck oleds. I owned three gens of lg oleds and they all had burn-ins problem within one year of usage. The stupid marketing would say the newer gen wont have the problem, until you realize no manufacturer provides a warranty against it.

Before you asked why i own multiple oleds, there's this thing called business affiliates