Futureproof Motherboards
I have heard some people claim this is a bad time to build a PC because the current PC motherboards will no longer be supported by future graphics cards or CPUs people may want to upgrade to because people say motherboard technology will likely go to AM5 and dump AM4 when DDR5 RAM becomes available, or something like that. (Meaning that a motherboard upgrade will soon be required to upgrade important PC components).

What do you guys think?

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EDIT: To clarify, when I talked about future-proofing a PC build, I am referring to the attempt to ensure I get a CPU/motherboard combination that will last for several years into the future by means of being compatible with future CPU/GPU upgrades.

Ideally I am hoping to simply upgrade the GPU in several years, and not need to upgrade anything else to prolong the gaming life of the PC. If needed, I hope to be ABLE to upgrade the CPU without having to upgrade the entire motherboard and reconnect everything. (This is what I was talking about when I mentioned future-proofing).

The GPU doesn't need to be "future-proof" for purposes of this discussion because imo GPUs are relatively easy to upgrade compared to the motherboard.

EDIT 2: Some seem upset over the use of the word "futureproof." To clarify -- what I mean by that is essentially simply a prolonged (but not indefinite) state of motherboard compatibility with future CPU/GPU upgrades, not the idea that some particular PC component can last forever if you spend more.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από temps; 6 Δεκ 2020, 0:35
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If i survived for almost 5 years on a i5 6600,GTX 1070 and 16GB of 2133Mhz ram at 1080p on some Lenovo prebuild that can't even be upgraded and i still played anything that came out, i'm pretty sure building a PC right now wouldn't be a problem. In my opnion if you pair a 3080/3080ti with a Ryzen 7 5800x you're good to go for the next 4-5 years if 1440p is the main resolution you play at hell even 4k, but i just see this combination lasting 4-5 years at 1440p without a problem.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από WA WI WA WAUUUU; 4 Δεκ 2020, 3:50
It's a bad time to buy hardware, because of the lack of stock, and overpricing of CPU/GPUs.

Buying a motherboard now isn't exactly a bad thing - when DDR5 comes out, it's still going to be worse, or the same as a good kit of DDR4, and ultimately won't be that much of a problem.
If you're looking at PCI-e 4.0, I wouldn't worry, modern (highest end) GPUs barely use more than x8 PCI-e 3.0 lanes. You won't encounter any bandwidth related issues (if you're only gaming, I can't speak for other workloads) if you're using any GPU on a PCI-e 3.0 motherboard/CPU.

Motherboards aren't something that really need all that much 'futureproofing'(*) - Just buy a board with the Socket, VRM, and features you want, and put the best CPU you can in it. Chances are there's going to be way better stuff out before you need to upgrade (especially how the market of hardware is actually moving forward and being competitive again.) You should easily be able to use something like a 3600/x, or 5600x for several generations, they're not bad CPUs, and have more than enough threads to handle pretty much any gaming workload, and whatever else you want in the background too.

(* - 'Futureproofing' is a dumb concept, you cannot futureproof an ever changing and progressing market. Hardware can be bought to last you a long time, but you will never get hardware that is good enough forever.)

There is never a good time to build and eventually you will just have to use the generation available or what your budget enables.
Those times where complacent companies could release tiny upgrades and still be competitive are thankfully pretty much over thanks to the raise of AMD so it means increased rate of development for all parties.
There is no such thing as future proofing
You can gamble and spend more on a motherboard with upgrade options.
Maybe more NVMe slots , 4 memory slots instead of 2 and and good power delivery to the CPU.


AM5 or whatever it is called I think it will be a very expensive setup to buy.
All DDR5 has error correction as standard so a more expensive controller needed in the CPU.
It means the memory will be expensive.
PCi express 5 it seems will become the norm so the motherboard will have to be very well engineered and expensive. That also puts extra cost onto the CPU.
There is no guarantee it will perform well for games. Maybe after a generation or two.


My guess is that investing in a good AM4 motherboard with 4 memory slots and a recent ryzen 9 CPU will do well. The ample single core performance and having many of them combined with a large CPU cache may last well.

Of course I could be completely wrong.








Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Lord Flashheart; 4 Δεκ 2020, 5:34
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από temps:
I have heard some people claim this is a bad time to build a PC because the current PC motherboards will no longer be supported by future graphics cards or CPUs people may want to upgrade to because people say motherboard technology will likely go to AM5 and dump AM4 when DDR5 RAM becomes available
This will never happen. All future graphics will work in current motherboard and Intel will never dump LGA1200 in favour of AM socket.
Well for Intel motherboards, you can google "Alder Lake" if you want. These are so-called "hybrid" chips and will use the LGA 1700 socket. Alder Lake is scheduled to come out late 2021. So, in another year, if one is frantic to keep up with the Jones.

"Future-proof" is a clever marketing term and gimmick. It makes one believe that by investing heavily in some current tech, anything that comes out in the next 2-5 years won't touch it. I don't fall for it simply because money does not grow on trees around here.
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από temps:
I have heard some people claim this is a bad time to build a PC because the current PC motherboards will no longer be supported by future graphics cards or CPUs people may want to upgrade to because people say motherboard technology will likely go to AM5 and dump AM4 when DDR5 RAM becomes available, or something like that. (Meaning that a motherboard upgrade will soon be required to upgrade important PC components).

What do you guys think?

I think some people are letting their imaginations are running wild, and don't know their history, or assume the change from PCI-E 3.0 to 4.0 is radically different from previous version updates. There's always people that get themselves worked up into fuss that evolutionary changes are earth shattering events that make everything completely obsolete.

On the CPU side of things, Intel changes their socket every couple of releases anyway and that makes CPU upgrades pretty uneconomical. AMD is certainly better about it, they probably can't use AM4 forever, and arguably with how long a CPU is viable these days by the time you're in the market for an upgrade it might be worth it to get a new motherboard anyway. So for me CPU upgrades really only make sense if you buy a fairly modest CPU initially and want to upgrade to something near the top end of what the socket supports. But that could just be my biases that upgrades "ought" to provide a decent performance increase.

Long run, it doesn't really matter. There's always a reason not to buy, always some new thing on the horizon to wait for. There's usually not a optimal time to buy. If there is you might only recognize it in hindsight. If you need a PC right now I'm sure there's a combination of hardware that meets your budget and needs even if it's not the dream configuration everyone else thinks you should wait for.
You don't need to think about future compatibility if you build any decent machine today. Buy any latest 8c/16t CPU with a RTX 3070 / 3080 class GPU and 32 GB Ram. It will happily last next 5+ years. After that period, sell it as a whole and buy total anew. You don't want any 5+ years old parts in your PC anyway, whether it's motherboard or PSU ( except maybe SSD or HDD).
1. PCI-e 4.0 is not a problem for "graphics card support." It is backwards compatible, and 3.0 is still far from its limit. RTX 30 series is only PCI-e 4.0 because AMD did it and NVIDIA didn't want AMD to have any sort of paper-based edge over them, since most people are clueless to the fact that it makes zero difference. This same exact scenario with one generation versus the next happened when PCI-e 3.0 came out for GPUs, as well as 2.0.

2. DDR5 releasing on mainstream consumer motherboards is moot; games do not benefit from RAM faster than 3200 MHz for the most part, as the difference between the cheapest 3200 CL16 kits and the most expensive top end 4000+ DDR4 kits show literally a few FPS at best. DDR5 will be virtually pointless for gamers and will only matter for heavy application use at first, assuming people are using applications that can actually benefit from such a high speed, as well as CPUs that even support that memory standard. It won't be a problem any time soon for anyone.

3. Intel won't change from their LGA1200 type socket because they JUST changed to it, and it's mere speculation that AMD COULD phase out AM4 and replace it with AM4+ or AM5, it has not been confirmed. AMD won't confirm that until they need to, because people will be less inclined to buy their products if they know it's on a dying socket standard that won't be compatible down the line. They made that mistake when they originally planned to cut out 400 series motherboard support for the 4th generation of Ryzen processors (Ryzen 5000/Zen3) and had to redact it because of backlash.

4. There is no such thing as futureproofing, especially now that AMD is at its peak performance in over a decade. It's just an excuse for people to spend more money than they need to for things they don't actually need so they feel better about overspending. Of course, retailers eat it up because it gives them a reason to upsell you more expensive hardware.
No matter what you do, your GPU will be basically obsolete in ~5 years (depending on how much AMD and NVIDIA are advancing as well as gaming standards) and your CPU will always become obsolete with 10 years, potentially less due to rampant competition between AMD and Intel since 2017. CPUs have come very far within the last 3~4 years.
THe only real future proof pc hardware you can buy are:

- PSU
- Case
- Fans
- Fan controller
- Peripheral devices (mosue, keyboard, monitor)
- Soundcards
- Capture cards
- sleeved cables
- Quality coolers
- RGB controller and devices (RGB strips etc.)
^ and displays

drives have about a 10 year lifespan

fans are iffy, they will fail after around 5-10 years

new case can have better airflow and more modern usb ports, but atx/m-atx/itx will work with those boards

best to buy a cpu/mobo/ram combo for them to stay together for future upgrade projects
People says there are no future proofing, i don't agree with it.
If you buy any top-end or even sami-top hardware at any given year, it will last comfortably for next at least 5+ years. For example, 5 years old GTX 1080Ti is still a really great card (more powerful than RTX 2070 Super) and it will last for ANOTHER couple of YEARS no problem 1440p 144Hz display. So if you buy RTX 3070 (which is more powerful than 2080Ti) or RTX 3080, it will easily do the same.

Same goes with CPU, A 3+ years old i7 8700k has still *almost* same gaming performance as any top-end CPU at the current moment, better than any Ryzen to date (except for maybe only Ryzen 5000 series, maybe). And it will last for another many-many years no problem.

So yeah, There are FUTURE PROOFING.
Spend $2000 now to end up with something worse than someone who spends a $900 now and another $900 in two years.

Buy sensible, it's more effective and cheaper in the long run. Buying the latest and the greatest is for people with a large disposable income or PC gaming as their primary and only hobby.
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People says there are no future proofing, i don't agree with it.
If you buy any top-end or even sami-top hardware at any given year, it will last comfortably for next at least 5+ years. For example, 5 years old GTX 1080Ti is still a really great card (more powerful than RTX 2070 Super) and it will last for ANOTHER couple of YEARS no problem 1440p 144Hz display. So if you buy RTX 3070 (which is more powerful than 2080Ti) or RTX 3080, it will easily do the same.

Same goes with CPU, A 3+ years old i7 8700k has still *almost* same gaming performance as any top-end CPU at the current moment, better than any Ryzen to date (except for maybe only Ryzen 5000 series, maybe). And it will last for another many-many years no problem.

So yeah, There are FUTURE PROOFING.
No, that's building a computer that will last a while.

You cannot build a futureproof computer, it's not possible - anything you build will be left behind in a decade. (Now, that's usually more than it's usable life, but the suffix -proof means that it will not be left behind from any future progression or evolution.

There are very few things on a desktop computer that are truly futureproof.

As for the 8700k claim, that's not true, look at any benchmark, it claims otherwise - unless you've got a GPU bottleneck, or you limit the FPS.
And, the 3600x matches the performance of the 8700k (with no overclock.)
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You cannot build a futureproof computer, it's not possible - anything you build will be left behind in a decade. (Now, that's usually more than it's usable life, but the suffix -proof means that it will not be left behind from any future progression or evolution.

There are very few things on a desktop computer that are truly futureproof.

Well stated. No one can predict what will actually happen a year from now, let alone two or more. So the value of the term "future-proof" is mainly in how it shapes your thinking and influence you on how you spend your money.
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