Corrosion 3/dez./2020 às 16:54
Is a FireCuda SSHD good for gaming?
So I'm on a gaming laptop that supports 2 SSD slots (I think the NVMe one is already this one, the other is probably SATA), and one 2.5 inch HDD.

The combination is, as of now: 250GB SSD (out of which 77 GB was already used up by Windows) + 1TB HDD (750 GB of this is used by my Steam Library...Literally have a string of ~70 GB games smh)

Needless to say I will, at some point upgrade. But I'm not sure what...

-SSDs are universally recommended, but I keep finding only 1TB ones (which sort of defeats the point, no? I would like 2TB) and are MUCH more expensive.

-HDDs for 2TB are cheaper and easier to find but everyone advises against them (why?)

Then I found this [www.amazon.in] SSHD which is sort of decent in price for me. But opinions are mixed online, despite it being marketed as for gaming. 2TB storage IS the sweet spot for me though lol.

Alternatively, someone suggested that I buy a 1TB SSD ( like this one [www.amazon.in]), use it in the slot and then transfer all my games into it.

Wouldn't this still always be a 1TB cap??? 2TB SSDs are hella expensive, ain't no way I can afford one anyway....as for fast boot-ups I already have that with the Windows-only SSD installed on my laptop.

What do you think I should do? I have bad internet so uninstalling a game is always a pain because I know I will spend 2 days installing it if it's like AC: Origins, which is 70 GB.
Última edição por Corrosion; 3/dez./2020 às 17:57
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Tristan 3/dez./2020 às 17:11 
theyre website looks pretty bad ass :)

https://www.seagate.com/internal-hard-drives/hdd/firecuda/
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Corrosion 3/dez./2020 às 17:17 
Also...can't figure out for the life of me which SSD slot is NVMe and which is EDIT: SATA...
Última edição por Corrosion; 3/dez./2020 às 17:47
nullable 3/dez./2020 às 17:35 
Escrito originalmente por Sarcophagus:
So I'm on a gaming laptop that supports 2 SSD slots (I think the NVMe one is already this one, the other is probably PCIe), and one 2.5 inch HDD.

This is written a little ambiguously. How many drives can you get into the laptop in total? Is it two or three? Because you make it sound like you have two m2 slots, and a SATA slot. Or an m2 and two SATA slots? Or what? Or just two drives total?

Escrito originalmente por Sarcophagus:
The combination is, as of now: 250GB SSD (out of which 77 GB was already used up by Windows) + 1TB HDD (750 GB of this is used by my Steam Library...Literally have a string of ~70 GB games smh)

Needless to say I will, at some point upgrade. But I'm not sure what...

One thing you might look at doing is configuring Windows (and your web browsers) to use the HDD for My Documents and the My Downloads folder. They default to the C: drive, but they don't need to live there especially if premium NVMe space is limited.

Escrito originalmente por Sarcophagus:
-SSDs are universally recommended, but I keep finding only 1TB ones (which sort of defeats the point, no? I would like 2TB) and are MUCH more expensive.

-HDDs for 2TB are cheaper and easier to find but everyone advises against them (why?)

Perfect world you get a big ass SSD, they're much better all around performance-wise. I'm running 5.5TB of SSD space and won't ever buy HDDs again, it's great. However, that doesn't project onto everyone yet. And if all you care about is having a ton of space on a small budget, than HDDs will fit the bill.

And once you get over the idea that disk performance doesn't matter, paying a bit more of SSD space isn't crazy. After all it wasn't too long ago (2013) where SSDs were running $1 per GB and I bought a 250GB SSD in my 2013 build. And now they're at like $0.09-$0.11 cents per GB? Quite an improvement.

A few years back I was almost sold on SSHDs for my next system to compromise on the cost. But SSDs got cheap enough that I decided to skip it. So they're kinda of a weird stopgap technology. Not great, but better than a poke in the eye any time you get to read from the data cached on the flash memory. In your case it's probably fine if you're already happy with your current configuration..
nullable 3/dez./2020 às 17:38 
Escrito originalmente por Sarcophagus:
Also...can't figure out for the life of me which SSD slot is NVMe and which is PCIe...

Well there's a bit of confusion there. So there's an m2 slot. An m2 slot can usually support a m2 NVMe or m2 SATA drive. The m2 SATA uses the SATA bus to route data, and the m2 NVMe uses the PCI-E bus to route data. The PCI-E, and thus NVMe is faster than SATA.

Chances are you don't have a separate PCI-E slot in addition to the m2 slot, you've just confused the specs a little bit. I'd bet if you were to post the laptop's product page, or even the specific model, we could sort that out pretty quick.
Última edição por nullable; 3/dez./2020 às 17:39
Autumn_ 3/dez./2020 às 17:40 
Escrito originalmente por Sarcophagus:
Also...can't figure out for the life of me which SSD slot is NVMe and which is PCIe...
NVMe is PCI-e.
M.2 is a form factor for both SATA and NVMe, you should look which one uses which, if you have 2 slots.

Escrito originalmente por Sarcophagus:
So I'm on a gaming laptop that supports 2 SSD slots (I think the NVMe one is already this one, the other is probably PCIe), and one 2.5 inch HDD.

The combination is, as of now: 250GB SSD (out of which 77 GB was already used up by Windows) + 1TB HDD (750 GB of this is used by my Steam Library...Literally have a string of ~70 GB games smh)

Needless to say I will, at some point upgrade. But I'm not sure what...

-SSDs are universally recommended, but I keep finding only 1TB ones (which sort of defeats the point, no? I would like 2TB) and are MUCH more expensive.

-HDDs for 2TB are cheaper and easier to find but everyone advises against them (why?)
Higher capacity SSDs are actually cheaper, the more you buy, the less you have to spend (per GB.) So it works out more cost effective if you're buying more. (I think the exception to that is 4TB, which is priced pretty high.)
They are worth the money though, if you buy SATA, or cheap NVMe drives.

HDDs are cheaper, and come in more capacity options, but they're slow, and they're loud (sometimes), and can be damaged (physically) way easier.
Unless you want mass storage, that you're not going to be accessing often (or can put like 5 of them in RAID), I wouldn't bother buying one.

Buying a SSHD is mostly pointless, since you're still limited by the low speed of the HDD, except for if you access that data frequently. So an SSD is still a better option.

I personally wouldn't put a hard drive into a laptop, especially if you move that laptop a lot (when it's on, etc.)

If you need storage space, get a fast 2.5 inch HDD, if you need faster storage, get the 2.5 inch SATA SSD.
Corrosion 3/dez./2020 às 17:44 
Escrito originalmente por Brockenstein:
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My bad! Let me clarify. Total drives I can get are three, but currently there are only 2 installed, physically. One of them is a 2.5 inch HDD (1 TB), and the other is a SSD, which would be m.2 (right?). I'm currently trying to figure out if the one on which Windows is installed (the SSD) is NVMe or SATA. Does that help?

The model of laptop is Acer Predator Helios 300 - PH315-52-74DX (only listing because there are so many international variants it's hard to keep up). A tangential exercise is to figure out if the OTHER slot (so, the empty one) supports SATA or NVMe, or both.

As for the downloads tip, I see! I don't really have heavy downloads, is there a material advantage to having made that switch?

5.5! Damn, man. That sounds like the dream. But yea currently am broke (and it took me forever to get this laptop lol) so I wish I could get one >1TB. But currently I need space.

So SSHD might be a slight improvement?

EDIT: I may have gotten my terminology mixed up, sorry. So yes, I'm trying to figure out if my current SSD is SATA or NVMe. Sorry! Editing now. Thank you, @Autumn!
Última edição por Corrosion; 3/dez./2020 às 18:11
[☥] - CJ - 3/dez./2020 às 18:21 
I use the 7200RPM one as my game storage drive and it does pretty well

The laptop variant on the other hand i cant comment on, but i believe it isnt 7200RPMs then thats kinda iffy..

I would go for the NVME, it'd be a LOT faster, just make sure its the correct size for your laptops M.2 slot
Lord Flashheart 3/dez./2020 às 19:33 
I suggest looking inti a hard drive for you games the size you need, a 120 - 240GB SSD and primocache software.
Corrosion 3/dez./2020 às 19:43 
So, update:

The one on which my Windows is installed, is m.2 NVMe. Confirmed this through crystaldiskinfo.

The model specs of PH315-52 all show that 2x m.2 NVMe slots are supported, so that solves it, yes? I can add another.

I can either replace my current 1 TB HDD with a 2TB SSHD or invest in a m.2 NVMe SSD which will be more expensive
_I_ 3/dez./2020 às 21:26 
sshd is not good for anything
~8g ssd cache isnt enough
can speed up boot and common used programs, but not much else

ssd wipes the floor with it for everything
and a 7200rpm hdd is faster for random read/writes (gaming)

1tb sshd is only good in a ps3 or ps4

with xbone, it will only use the ssd cache to speed up its boot logo
it does not treat it as a hybrid drive and tries to write directly to hdd sectors ignoring the ssd cache
partly why only 500g and 1tb hdds work as their full size, any ssd over 500g to <1tb only have 512g usable space, 1tb+ will be used as a 1tb
Última edição por _I_; 3/dez./2020 às 21:32
Firecudas have become obsolete with affordable 1TB and 2TB SSDs available. You can get good 1TB SSD for $95 and 2TB for $190 so it`s no point messing with inferior technology.
[☥] - CJ - 4/dez./2020 às 13:09 
Thats true

But as someone thats had one for a few years now, it actually does pretty well and the speeds/load times for games arent all that bad either, Desktop version not laptop.

But yeah, another SSD would be best for a laptop
SeriousCCIE 4/dez./2020 às 14:18 
I've got two 2TB firecuda SATA drives. They are good for what they do provided you A) do not expect it to replace an nvme anything or B) a giant 2TB SSD.

But do they let the OS boot faster--or frequently played games load up faster and otherwise put some spring into the pc's step? yes.

If you don't expect miracles, then it is reasonable to expect that they perform better than most hard drives that are the same size--and my own experiences bear that out.
Última edição por SeriousCCIE; 4/dez./2020 às 14:19
nullable 4/dez./2020 às 15:30 
Escrito originalmente por Sarcophagus:
So, update:

The one on which my Windows is installed, is m.2 NVMe. Confirmed this through crystaldiskinfo.

The model specs of PH315-52 all show that 2x m.2 NVMe slots are supported, so that solves it, yes? I can add another.

I can either replace my current 1 TB HDD with a 2TB SSHD or invest in a m.2 NVMe SSD which will be more expensive

A second NVMe, even a very budget one would be a good choice.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07YFFX5MD/ref=twister_B082KVPKQ5 At $95 it's not a bad price. It's cheaper than a 2TB SSHD FireCuda (seems to be in the $150 range) and the performance (for software on the NVMe) will be leagues better than the SSHD.

And swapping out the 1TB HDD for a 2TB SSHD is going to leave you with the same amount of space, cost more, and perform worse over all than putting a $100 budget NVMe in the 2nd M2 slot and running a 256GB NVMe, 1TB NVme, 1TB HDD configuration.

You'd always have the option of putting a larger HDD in later too.
Autumn_ 5/dez./2020 às 0:38 
I'm prettt sure that WD Blue doesn't have a DRAM cache, you can get Crucial P1 for couple dollars more, and should perform better.

And I agree with your statement about drive config.
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