Intel i7 10700K or AMD Ryzen 9 3900X — which CPU is best for gaming?

[Citizen Cook]

PC gamer claims that the intel CPU is better for gaming than the AMD alternative. What say you?

[Abisha]

Цитата допису _I_:

i5k or i7k have better core performance when oc'd than ryzen
thats where it counts in games if you are looking for the highest fps when not gpu limited

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-10700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-3900X/4070vs4044

I find OCC stupid it damage and overheat your system for no reason also it's made it unstable.

[_I_]

Цитата допису Abisha:

Цитата допису _I_:

i5k or i7k have better core performance when oc'd than ryzen
thats where it counts in games if you are looking for the highest fps when not gpu limited

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-10700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-3900X/4070vs4044

I find OCC stupid it damage and overheat your system for no reason also it's made it unstable.

oc is fine if done with a good mobo and cooling
higher voltage = higher temps, its the temps that can kill cpus

ryzen is known to lose performance when temps go too high for too long
intel will throttle before any damage is done

[Illusion of Progress]

Цитата допису _I_:

when games need more than 8 cores with ht/smt they will need faster cores too

That can be argued either way IMO. People (and I was probably once one of them) were saying that same thing about going with a faster and/or cheaper Core 2 Duo over Core 2 Quad, or a Core i5 over Core i7 (Sandy Bridge), etc. I went with a Core 2 Duo Wolfdale over the Core 2 Quad Q6600. I went with the Core i5 over the Core i7 (though part of this is because I won it, else I'd have stayed on the Core 2 Duo a little longer at the time). There's no denying that those who went with the higher offering probably got more years out of them (at the cost of higher price and/or less performance from the initial get-go). On the flipside, even with the lesser choice the second time around, I only just replaced my Core i5 Sandy Bridge THIS year, and not primarily because of the CPU (though that was part of it) but largely because 16 GB RAM, a stupid high amount in 2011, was no longer enough.

Point is, CPUs have been slowing in gains in IPC and clock speed for some time. With it being more viable than ever to stick with a platform for longer, I'd argue going with extra cores extends your chances of longevity. If it doesn't, then it doesn't, but there's still 0% chance that "barely faster per core but less cores" alternative will last any longer (or more specifically with an example, once a Zen 2 isn't fast enough per core, nor will ANYTHING that is out now really be, and if CPUs don't have some greater leaps in IPC and/or clock speed in the coming years, then the cores in the current stuff will probably be getting by just fine 5 to 8 years from now).

Not only that, but games are ALL OVER on what they need. Some work with quad (or even dual) core CPUs rather well, and some choke on them, even with SMT present. The upcoming consoles are something I'd personally try and recommend to match (8 core and 16 threads), BUT it's not like you'll NEED that next year or anything, so if you want more performance now instead of more longevity, that Core i5 will do you better, sure.

Really depends on what you prioritize, how much you want to spend, and if you're willing to replace it sooner. Both Intel and AMD have viable offerings (and don't look now, but some of Intel's CPUs have crept down in price while the Ryzen 5s and Ryzen 7s have crept up in price over the last month or two, so it's not as open and shut in favor of AMD) but too many people try and blindly simplify it to "Intel better overall game performance" or "AMD better performance for price" when different situations call for different things. I'll gladly take these days over five to ten years ago, when AMD wasn't competing, and Intel didn't want to give any more cores, and sell us a slightly faster per core replacement every few years (I wasn't biting, which is why I stayed with my Sandy Bridge).

[DeadPhoenix]

Wait for Zen 3. I read that its going to be faster than a i9 from Intel in gaming. I mean the current 3000 series are already very close.

[Citizen Cook]

Цитата допису DeadPhoenix:

Wait for Zen 3. I read that its going to be faster than a i9 from Intel in gaming. I mean the current 3000 series are already very close.

Really?
When is that coming?

[Citizen Cook]

Цитата допису hawkeye:

i9-10900k or i7-10700k would be the fastest. Even the mid-range intels beat the 3900x.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UMMPjqLe8g

I plan on pairing my new CPU with an Nvidia 3080 RTX (once they come back in stock)

[Mihryazd]

Цитата допису Citizen Cook:

Цитата допису DeadPhoenix:

Wait for Zen 3. I read that its going to be faster than a i9 from Intel in gaming. I mean the current 3000 series are already very close.

Really?
When is that coming?

Zen 3 will be announced on October 8th.

[Citizen Cook]

Цитата допису Mihryazd:

Цитата допису Citizen Cook:

Really?
When is that coming?

Zen 3 will be announced on October 8th.

Interesting. Not long to wait :)

[XxzodazZ]

All I know,is I am very happy with the 10600k. It's the 2080 i'm unhappy with

[hawkeye]

Zen3 will be faster than Zen2 else there is no point other than to address the design weaknesses in 2 e.g. memory performance.

Intel 11th gen is possibly Feb 2021, same socket/mobo as 10th but a change away from the Skylake design. Again, there is no point unless 11th gen is superior to 10th gen. Early laptop 11th gen benchmarks show an 1th gen i7 with a higher single thread speed than a 10th gen i7.

As always, wait until trusted benchmarks are out.

[🦜Cloud Boy🦜]

If you want the best possible gaming performance and don't care about money too much. I reccomend i5 10600k with good Mobo and cooler. Then overclock to 5 Ghz.

Then continue changing your CPU in every 3 years interval with latest gen Core i5s.

This way you will continue getting better gaming performance than buying Top Ryzen or intel now and keeping them for 7 to 10 years.

Future i5s will beat any Ryzens / Intels you can buy now. And the margin will increase every year.

[🦜Cloud Boy🦜]

News is, Massive core performance boost is coming from both intel and AMD in the upcoming generations.

[vadim]

Цитата допису Abisha:

7 nm CPU is better then Intel, just do to physics along.

This makes no sense. At all.

[Citizen Cook]

Цитата допису SkunkJ:

All I know,is I am very happy with the 10600k. It's the 2080 i'm unhappy with:BL3Shrug:

My friend is also unhappy with his 2080. I suspect there's a lot of that going around ;)

[Tmansdc]

I got a 3600x that I'm content with for a couple years. But come october 2022 when the rtx 4000 series come out I'm going to upgrade to that and pair it with an i9 12900k. I mainly game and emulate.