Is 10gb enough :: Hardware and Operating Systems

iceman1980 10/set./2020 às 18:23

Escrito originalmente por Napoleonic S:
Escrito originalmente por Deronatron:
So nvidia have a 3080 10gb but how long will that last for in future gaming
10 GB VRAM IS ALREADY OBSOLETE now. MS Flight Sim already demand 10 GB Vram on ultra settings at 3440x1440 res, that's still only UWQHD res.

Better wait for the bigger VRAM editions.

RDNA2 is going to be releasing with 16GB VRAM. Very tempting.

Última edição por iceman1980; 10/set./2020 às 18:23

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Randy Lahey 10/set./2020 às 18:48

All this nonsense and conjecture but zero facts. Watch these and learn something:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x222IVqn8ic&t=1462s (24:22)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxsBZgHM7CE&t=1570s (26:00)

There is and always has been 'used' and 'cached' RAM. Afterburner only shows total ram (used + cached). 'More is better' is such an easy, simplistic view of it. Nvidia's own numbers at 4K Ultra, 60fps, all texture packs on show only 4 - 6 GB of USED Vram.

It isn't going to magically quadruple in 2 years...games aren't getting that much better and coding SHOULD be getting more efficient, which should use LESS, not more. Stuttering tells you that you don't have enough, nothing else. Don't get duped by such a simplistic argument.

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iceman1980 10/set./2020 às 19:29

Escrito originalmente por Randy Lahey:
All this nonsense and conjecture but zero facts. Watch these and learn something:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x222IVqn8ic&t=1462s (24:22)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxsBZgHM7CE&t=1570s (26:00)

There is and always has been 'used' and 'cached' RAM. Afterburner only shows total ram (used + cached). 'More is better' is such an easy, simplistic view of it. Nvidia's own numbers at 4K Ultra, 60fps, all texture packs on show only 4 - 6 GB of USED Vram.

It isn't going to magically quadruple in 2 years...games aren't getting that much better and coding SHOULD be getting more efficient, which should use LESS, not more. Stuttering tells you that you don't have enough, nothing else. Don't get duped by such a simplistic argument.

I plan at a later date to run 3x 3440 * 1440P monitors 16VRAM is all I need.

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Magma Dragoon 10/set./2020 às 20:55

Escrito originalmente por Randy Lahey:
All this nonsense and conjecture but zero facts. Watch these and learn something:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x222IVqn8ic&t=1462s (24:22)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxsBZgHM7CE&t=1570s (26:00)

There is and always has been 'used' and 'cached' RAM. Afterburner only shows total ram (used + cached). 'More is better' is such an easy, simplistic view of it. Nvidia's own numbers at 4K Ultra, 60fps, all texture packs on show only 4 - 6 GB of USED Vram.

It isn't going to magically quadruple in 2 years...games aren't getting that much better and coding SHOULD be getting more efficient, which should use LESS, not more. Stuttering tells you that you don't have enough, nothing else. Don't get duped by such a simplistic argument.

Insufficient VRAM results in swapping between VRAM and system RAM every frame, resulting in frame times measured in seconds rather than milliseconds. The word stutter doesn't really capture how bad the experience is.

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Randy Lahey 10/set./2020 às 21:27

Escrito originalmente por Magma Dragoon:
Insufficient VRAM results in swapping between VRAM and system RAM every frame, resulting in frame times measured in seconds rather than milliseconds. The word stutter doesn't really capture how bad the experience is.

Yes, but the point is how much is 'sufficient', not that stuttering can occur with too little. If they will give me 16GB VRAM for the same price as 8GB...ok, I'll take it if for no other reason than resale value as everybody seems to believe the same thing. AMD is going to dupe a LOT of people with their 16GB cards that most will assume is 'better' for no other reason than more VRAM. Crazy.

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Guydodge 10/set./2020 às 21:37

I do believe this pretty much says it all and i would bet were talking 60fps across the
board here with his opinions which are inline with mine. crank it up to attemp 144fps its a another story.
and i dont believe the 3080 will do 4k much over 100fps maxed i hope im wrong

https://graphicscardhub.com/how-much-vram-for-gaming/

Última edição por Guydodge; 10/set./2020 às 21:40

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vadim 10/set./2020 às 22:52

Escrito originalmente por Napoleonic S:
10 GB VRAM IS ALREADY OBSOLETE now. MS Flight Sim already demand 10 GB Vram on ultra settings at 3440x1440 res

BS. Do, at least, some search before posting nonsense.

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Napoleonic S 10/set./2020 às 23:41

Escrito originalmente por vadim:
Escrito originalmente por Napoleonic S:
10 GB VRAM IS ALREADY OBSOLETE now. MS Flight Sim already demand 10 GB Vram on ultra settings at 3440x1440 res
BS. Do, at least, some search before posting nonsense.

Everyone can see that I'm playing ms flight sim, you on the other hand? Mostly not lmao.

My 2070 super already running out of VRAM when landing at bigger airports in the Sim despite I already lowered some of the settings from ultra, it resulted in exactly the same as others have said, memory swapping that causes massive frame rate drop on intervals.

Check the fs forum and ask them how are their vram usage if people want to know.

10 GB VRAM is not future proof.

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hawkeye 11/set./2020 às 0:34

Escrito originalmente por Napoleonic S:
Escrito originalmente por vadim:
BS. Do, at least, some search before posting nonsense.
Everyone can see that I'm playing ms flight sim, you on the other hand? Mostly not lmao.

My 2070 super already running out of VRAM when landing at bigger airports in the Sim despite I already lowered some of the settings from ultra, it resulted in exactly the same as others have said, memory swapping that causes massive frame rate drop on intervals.

Check the fs forum and ask them how are their vram usage if people want to know.

10 GB VRAM is not future proof.

That's likely more because you have a medium performance gpu, not vram. Plus poorly coded game. Maybe an amd pc which has memory performance limitations. Maybe even playing on an ultrawide. It's probably because the pc is slow.

Overall performance and vram requirements also depend on total monitor(s) resolution.

If you want better performance get a better pc.

https://techguided.com/how-much-vram-do-i-need/

There is no one size fits all for vram.

Última edição por hawkeye; 11/set./2020 às 0:35

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Napoleonic S 11/set./2020 às 0:36

Escrito originalmente por hawkeye:
Escrito originalmente por Napoleonic S:
Everyone can see that I'm playing ms flight sim, you on the other hand? Mostly not lmao.

My 2070 super already running out of VRAM when landing at bigger airports in the Sim despite I already lowered some of the settings from ultra, it resulted in exactly the same as others have said, memory swapping that causes massive frame rate drop on intervals.

Check the fs forum and ask them how are their vram usage if people want to know.

10 GB VRAM is not future proof.

That's likely more because you have a medium performance gpu, not vram. Maybe an amd pc which has memory performance limitations. Maybe even playing on an ultrawide. It's probably because the pc is slow.

Overall performance and vram requirements also depend on total monitor(s) resolution.

If you want better performance get a better pc.

https://techguided.com/how-much-vram-do-i-need/

There is no one size fits all for vram.

Nope, it's mostly people like you who are being ignorant on the subject.

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vadim 11/set./2020 às 0:46

Escrito originalmente por Napoleonic S:
My 2070 super already running out of VRAM when landing at bigger airports in the Sim despite I already lowered some of the settings from ultra, it resulted in exactly the same as others have said, memory swapping that causes massive frame rate drop on intervals.

Sorry, but this set of words is nothing but a meaningless jibberish. One single question: how do you know "memory swapping" (there is no such thing in reality) happens? What did you do to determine this?

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Napoleonic S 11/set./2020 às 1:18

Escrito originalmente por vadim:
Escrito originalmente por Napoleonic S:
My 2070 super already running out of VRAM when landing at bigger airports in the Sim despite I already lowered some of the settings from ultra, it resulted in exactly the same as others have said, memory swapping that causes massive frame rate drop on intervals.
Sorry, but this set of words is nothing but a meaningless jibberish. One single question: how do you know "memory swapping" (there is no such thing in reality) happens? What did you do to determine this?

simple, VRAM maxed out, RAM usage raised during gameplay and accompanied by appearance of stuttering that wasn't there before, standard pc gamer and enthusiast knowledge on monitoring their system during gaming.

satisfied, ignorant?

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r.linder 11/set./2020 às 1:21

Escrito originalmente por vadim:
Escrito originalmente por Napoleonic S:
My 2070 super already running out of VRAM when landing at bigger airports in the Sim despite I already lowered some of the settings from ultra, it resulted in exactly the same as others have said, memory swapping that causes massive frame rate drop on intervals.
Sorry, but this set of words is nothing but a meaningless jibberish. One single question: how do you know "memory swapping" (there is no such thing in reality) happens? What did you do to determine this?

When your GPU runs out of VRAM, it taps into system RAM. Simple fact.

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vadim 11/set./2020 às 1:42

Escrito originalmente por Napoleonic S:
simple, VRAM maxed out, RAM usage raised during gameplay and accompanied by appearance of stuttering that wasn't there before, standard pc gamer and enthusiast knowledge on monitoring their system during gaming.

satisfied, ignorant?

Yes, I know for sure now that you have no clue what are you talking about. As expected.

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vadim 11/set./2020 às 1:53

Escrito originalmente por Escorve:
When your GPU runs out of VRAM, it taps into system RAM. Simple fact.

"Memory swapping" is totally different term. With graphics it makes sense only in GPGPU computations when amount of data is too big to fit in VRAM. It cannot take place with rendering. Totally impossible. Yes, driver can use system RAM but this isn't swapping.
And secondly, to detect RAM usage he should check PCI-E bus utilisation.
If he said that the PCI bus utilization increased from 14% to 98% when approaching this airport, I would agree that the problem is in the use of system RAM due to lack of video memory.
But he didn't say that. Because he doesn't understand such things.

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