PS5 is looking like the best platform. Why should I upgrade my PC?

[Mosh]

Compared to the highly rated games Playstation is getting this year alone in 4k 60fps on the PS5 such as:

-Spiderman Miles Morales
-Nioh 2
-Ratchet & Clank 2
-Demon's Souls Remake
-Persona 5 Royal
-The Last of Us 2
-Ghost of Tsushima
-FF7 Remake
-Dreams

PC has gotten a VR game, a map game and an unoptimized simulator. People keep obsessing over hardware but how about some games to play them? The earliest TRUE next-gen PC game so far is Suicide Squad, releasing in late 2022. Cyberpunk and Elden Ring are current-gen, releasing on 6 consoles and PC. That means they will be held back graphically. If PS5 will have the best graphics until then, why would I waste my time and money with PC gaming?

[Omega]

PS5 isn't going to game in 4K at 60fps.

It will most be upscaled ~1440p at 30-60fps depending on the title.

A mid-range gaming PC build at the end of this year (that is when the consoles launch) will heavily outperform these devices and deliver a better gaming experience.

These devices will have peformance similar to a Ryzen 1600 AF/2600 + RX 5600 XT-RX 5700.


And besides that. Consoles are horrible locked down devices which don't allow you to do much else then play games on them.

[Mosh]

Originalmente postado por Omega:

PS5 isn't going to game in 4K at 60fps.

It will most be upscaled ~1440p at 30-60fps depending on the title.

A mid-range gaming PC build at the end of this year (that is when the consoles launch) will heavily outperform these devices and deliver a better gaming experience.

These devices will have peformance similar to a Ryzen 1600 AF/2600 + RX 5600 XT-RX 5700.


And besides that. Consoles are horrible locked down devices which don't allow you to do much else then play games on them.

It will be Sony's version of DLSS. Checkerboarding came before DLSS and it wasn't as good since it was on 2013 hardware. I expect PS5 checkerboarding to be at least as good as DLSS 2.0. So it is basically real 4k 60fps with next-gen graphics. A mid range PC doesn't make up for the lack of optimization with its raw power. All devs prioritize consoles after all.

[DeadPhoenix]

Originalmente postado por Omega:

PS5 isn't going to game in 4K at 60fps.

It will most be upscaled ~1440p at 30-60fps depending on the title.

A mid-range gaming PC build at the end of this year (that is when the consoles launch) will heavily outperform these devices and deliver a better gaming experience.

These devices will have peformance similar to a Ryzen 1600 AF/2600 + RX 5600 XT-RX 5700.


And besides that. Consoles are horrible locked down devices which don't allow you to do much else then play games on them.

Seems you're uninformed. Both PS5 and Series X are using RDNA2, which js supposed to be the upcoming 6000 series from AMD. And second, the consoles are using Zen 2, which is based off the Ryzen 3700. 8 cores and 16 threads. Not the the 1600/2600 which have only 6 cores and 12 threads. Seems like you need to do more research.

[Guydodge]

i find it hard to believe the reality of sonys claims.
but it will be better than the ps4 pro so you have that.

[DeadPhoenix]

Originalmente postado por Guydodge:

i find it hard to believe the reality of sonys claims.
but it will be better than the ps4 pro so you have that.

It will be a massive leap. The Ps4 Pro compared to the PS5 is laughable at best.

[Omega]

Originalmente postado por DeadPhoenix:

Originalmente postado por Omega:

PS5 isn't going to game in 4K at 60fps.

It will most be upscaled ~1440p at 30-60fps depending on the title.

A mid-range gaming PC build at the end of this year (that is when the consoles launch) will heavily outperform these devices and deliver a better gaming experience.

These devices will have peformance similar to a Ryzen 1600 AF/2600 + RX 5600 XT-RX 5700.


And besides that. Consoles are horrible locked down devices which don't allow you to do much else then play games on them.

Seems you're uninformed. Both PS5 and Series X are using RDNA2, which js supposed to be the upcoming 6000 series from AMD. And second, the consoles are using Zen 2, which is based off the Ryzen 3700. 8 cores and 16 threads. Not the the 1600/2600 which have only 6 cores and 12 threads. Seems like you need to do more research.

I know that. Read what I said very closely. I said "peformance similar to". Never claimed it uses the same hardware as in my comparison.

An underclocked poor quality Zen 2 8-core chip will have peformance similar to a Ryzen 5.

Similar story with the RDNA2 graphics included in the APU. It's going to be a relatively small graphics chip which isn't clocked as agressively as the PC GPUs are.

The memory is also going to be cheap garbage which will hurt the console's performance.

[DeadPhoenix]

Originalmente postado por Omega:

Originalmente postado por DeadPhoenix:

Seems you're uninformed. Both PS5 and Series X are using RDNA2, which js supposed to be the upcoming 6000 series from AMD. And second, the consoles are using Zen 2, which is based off the Ryzen 3700. 8 cores and 16 threads. Not the the 1600/2600 which have only 6 cores and 12 threads. Seems like you need to do more research.

I know that. Read what I said very closely. I said "peformance similar to". Never claimed it used this hardware.

An underclocked poor quality Zen 2 8-core chip will have peformance similar to a Ryzen 5.

Similar story with the RDNA2 graphics included in the APU. It's going to be a relatively small graphics chip which isn't clocked as agressively as the PC GPUs are.

RDNA 2 will destroy the 5000 series from AMD. You simply cannot compare the 2 at all !
The CPU is clocked at 3.4 to 3.7 GHz depending on the games. Which makes the 2600/1600 look weak compared to these consoles. I honestly cannot understand why people don't research before posting nonsense...

[☄️⁧⁧Sneakydude555]

Apparently a PS5 is equal to a 2080ti. So it might be safe to say that, most games will be at 4k 30fps and 1440p 60fps or 120fps(mostly First person shooters)

[Omega]

Originalmente postado por DeadPhoenix:

Originalmente postado por Omega:

I know that. Read what I said very closely. I said "peformance similar to". Never claimed it used this hardware.

An underclocked poor quality Zen 2 8-core chip will have peformance similar to a Ryzen 5.

Similar story with the RDNA2 graphics included in the APU. It's going to be a relatively small graphics chip which isn't clocked as agressively as the PC GPUs are.

RDNA 2 will destroy the 5000 series from AMD. You simply cannot compare the 2 at all !
The CPU is clocked at 3.4 to 3.7 GHz depending on the games. Which makes the 2600/1600 look weak compared to these consoles. I honestly cannot understand why people don't research before posting nonsense...

These cards run mostly on the same drivers as the original batch of RDNA cards, little will change. RDNA and RDNA 2 are both very similar. So far no interesting new features relevant for gaming have been mentioned in AMDGPU patches.

Yes my CPU comparison was poor and overexaggerated. Point is, these chips will be outperformed by quite afordable mid-range hardware.

[Reaper]

Ray tracing will effect the performance of games. Ray tracing on = fps off.

[Mosh]

Originalmente postado por Omega:

Originalmente postado por DeadPhoenix:

RDNA 2 will destroy the 5000 series from AMD. You simply cannot compare the 2 at all !
The CPU is clocked at 3.4 to 3.7 GHz depending on the games. Which makes the 2600/1600 look weak compared to these consoles. I honestly cannot understand why people don't research before posting nonsense...

These cards run mostly on the same drivers as the original batch of RDNA cards, little will change. RDNA and RDNA 2 are both very similar. So far no interesting new features relevant for gaming have been mentioned in AMDGPU patches.

Yes my CPU comparison was poor and overexaggerated. Point is, these chips will be outperformed by quite afordable mid-range hardware.

Outperformed? Perhaps if PC had the same level of optimization as consoles. But if you add how much you need to brute force games with raw power, PC loses. Talking about multiplatform games of course. Exclusives are a whole generation ahead than anything on PC except tech demos.

[Reaper]

PS5 leak claims it might struggle to run games at 4K
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tomsguide.com/amp/news/ps5-leak-claims-it-might-struggle-to-run-games-at-4k

[Monk]

You are joking right? Also, unoptimised is a bs term, that's what the options settings are for, all a console does is turn stuff down for you, that is pretty much the extent of it these days.

Sony is starting to bring their console exclusives to pc, so there goes that excuse, OK, the ps5 will likely be cheaper initially, but, then you need to add on online services and more expensive games.

Any hardware inside the new consoles will of been finalised 6 months or a year ago, so the chances of them packing anything on par with the pc by end of year is low and 3.4 to 3.7GHz is a pretty low clock speed, I'd say a 3600 and a 3060/70 would come in competitively priced when you add in cost of ownership over, say, 3 years and will out perform it quite easily.

Oh and the storage solution has speeds you could achieve for a while with a raid setup.

[Omega]

Originalmente postado por Mosh:

Originalmente postado por Omega:

These cards run mostly on the same drivers as the original batch of RDNA cards, little will change. RDNA and RDNA 2 are both very similar. So far no interesting new features relevant for gaming have been mentioned in AMDGPU patches.

Yes my CPU comparison was poor and overexaggerated. Point is, these chips will be outperformed by quite afordable mid-range hardware.

Outperformed? Perhaps if PC had the same level of optimization as consoles. But if you add how much you need to brute force games with raw power, PC loses. Talking about multiplatform games of course. Exclusives are a whole generation ahead than anything on PC except tech demos.

The gaming specific optimizations of console harwdare are mainly intended to extend the consoles lifetime. A high-bandwidth PCI-e BUS and shared memory to quickly allow swapping of data between devices which has been present in consoles forever and the new faster SSD storage are all examples of this. PCs which on average have significantly more dedicated system and video memory do not need these optizations.

Developers are lazy and tend to go for high-level graphics APIs such as OpenGL and DirectX11 (and older). If they were to utilize lower-level APIs more such as Vulkan and DirectX12 games would on average perform significantly better. Get a DirectX9/10/11 game and run it under DXVK and you will likely see a boost in performance.

The consoles are locked platforms and force developers to utilize these lower-level APIs. Both because the console hardware will be underpowered for the kind of games studios are trying to create and because they have little other choice. With these devices every little bit of performance has to be squeezed out of these devices, sometimes this is more successful then others.

Also, if people stopped using that malware OS called Microsoft Windows which itself is more interesting in mining data on you then actually playing you games without lags and stutter that would help quite a bit for performance also.

[AdahnGorion]

Originalmente postado por Mosh:

Compared to the highly rated games Playstation is getting this year alone in 4k 60fps on the PS5 such as:

-Spiderman Miles Morales
-Nioh 2
-Ratchet & Clank 2
-Demon's Souls Remake
-Persona 5 Royal
-The Last of Us 2
-Ghost of Tsushima
-FF7 Remake
-Dreams

PC has gotten a VR game, a map game and an unoptimized simulator. People keep obsessing over hardware but how about some games to play them? The earliest TRUE next-gen PC game so far is Suicide Squad, releasing in late 2022. Cyberpunk and Elden Ring are current-gen, releasing on 6 consoles and PC. That means they will be held back graphically. If PS5 will have the best graphics until then, why would I waste my time and money with PC gaming?

I have no interest in any of the named games. I have no interest in playing 30/60 FPS locked either!!!! This is not 1993 anymore. I also do see why I should buy a family entertainment system to use as a primary gaming system, when my current system (even if 2 years old) are better than the PS5.. furthermore, I can do my work, taxes, editing, etc etc etc on my PC.. I can´t do any of those on a PS5.. Then we have the M&K talk..

Even more points! in 2 years the PS5 will be old tech... in 4 years, it will be vastly outdated, in 6-10 years (when a new model comes, most likely 8 years) it will not just be highly outdated, but downright awful...


Consoles are great for family entertainment or if you don´t have much cash (but these new consoles are pretty expenssives as well!!!!!!) they are easy to use and have few things they excel at, but do good.. if you like the genres often played there and the controllers, then it is a alrigth options.. I reckon my PS4 will do fine... It is seldom used and primarily the kids of the family.

Factor in that you have to "pay" to play online.......


Then we have the whole talk about hz and fps.... you should go see the big change from ie.
30 vs 60 vs 100 FPS.. then look at the hz as well... standard 60 or sometimes 100 hz 4k tvs that are upscaled and huge (since you sit a long way from it) do awful compared to a proper monitor with atleast 144 hz

https://www.testufo.com/