Mosh 2020 年 9 月 7 日 上午 11:50
PS5 is looking like the best platform. Why should I upgrade my PC?
Compared to the highly rated games Playstation is getting this year alone in 4k 60fps on the PS5 such as:

-Spiderman Miles Morales
-Nioh 2
-Ratchet & Clank 2
-Demon's Souls Remake
-Persona 5 Royal
-The Last of Us 2
-Ghost of Tsushima
-FF7 Remake
-Dreams

PC has gotten a VR game, a map game and an unoptimized simulator. People keep obsessing over hardware but how about some games to play them? The earliest TRUE next-gen PC game so far is Suicide Squad, releasing in late 2022. Cyberpunk and Elden Ring are current-gen, releasing on 6 consoles and PC. That means they will be held back graphically. If PS5 will have the best graphics until then, why would I waste my time and money with PC gaming?
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Mr Blonde 2020 年 9 月 8 日 上午 9:47 
引用自 Frank
引用自 Mr Blonde
Well there’s a lot of games running at true 4K 60fps on Xbox x that’s already out. Of course next gen will be knocking out those kind of results.

4k@60 at the lowest pixelcounting settings possible or ultra with AA is quite a difference

Total rubbish. Have a go on Xbox x running 4K 60fps and tell me again it’s set to low pixel count. Some of the games look outstanding
Frank ツ 2020 年 9 月 8 日 上午 9:51 
引用自 Mr Blonde
引用自 Frank

4k@60 at the lowest pixelcounting settings possible or ultra with AA is quite a difference

Total rubbish. Have a go on Xbox x running 4K 60fps and tell me again it’s set to low pixel count. Some of the games look outstanding


Im saying that people throw the 4k@60 around everywhere but whats the point if we dont know the settings
_I_ 2020 年 9 月 8 日 上午 10:02 
引用自 Recruit Specialist
引用自 _I_
reasonablly $100-200/yr to keep a gaming pc updated is all you really need

init build will be $600-1000+

cpu/mobo/ram $250-300 will make it around 5 years (for gaming)
similar with a $200-300 gpu
$80 psu 10+ years
drives as needed $50/10yr
case $50/10yr
display $100-300 10yr

I guess, if you're just trying to play fortnite at low settings, true.

But once you start getting into more resource hungry games, a build like this won't do.
system demanding games games on a 3-4 yr old cpu or gpu with new gpu or cpu is possible
staggering upgrades cpu/mobo/ram and gpu is the best way to keep a system updated
Mr Blonde 2020 年 9 月 8 日 上午 10:11 
引用自 Frank
引用自 Mr Blonde

Total rubbish. Have a go on Xbox x running 4K 60fps and tell me again it’s set to low pixel count. Some of the games look outstanding


Im saying that people throw the 4k@60 around everywhere but whats the point if we dont know the settings

But does it matter what the settings are if it looks good and plays smooth? Think these days people care so much about settings that they forget what gamings about.
Monk 2020 年 9 月 8 日 上午 11:11 
I am pretty sure the op is just trolling at this point.

However, at the risk of feeding it.

The list of games you can enjoy fully on the pc is too exhaustive to even begin listing, let's alone the genres that are pretty much exclude to pc's and the fact within a yeah I bet pc will get nearly every ps5 game to boot.

Consoles have their place, but a pc can do everything a console can, better.

With regards to upgrades, you can play on below max settings on an older system and likely still have a better looking experience than a console can get you.

Oh and 4k on consoles is rarely ever at anything like max settings.

It's why 4k resolution is just a dumb idea unless you have the power to max it out as otherwise, you can have a better looking, smoother game at lower res with higher settings.

Oh and finally, who says you have to choose one or the other? Nothing stops anyone from having a pc and a PlayStation should any exclusives pop up on it that you want.
Mosh 2020 年 9 月 8 日 上午 11:27 
引用自 Monk
I am pretty sure the op is just trolling at this point.

However, at the risk of feeding it.

The list of games you can enjoy fully on the pc is too exhaustive to even begin listing, let's alone the genres that are pretty much exclude to pc's and the fact within a yeah I bet pc will get nearly every ps5 game to boot.

Consoles have their place, but a pc can do everything a console can, better.

With regards to upgrades, you can play on below max settings on an older system and likely still have a better looking experience than a console can get you.

Oh and 4k on consoles is rarely ever at anything like max settings.

It's why 4k resolution is just a dumb idea unless you have the power to max it out as otherwise, you can have a better looking, smoother game at lower res with higher settings.

Oh and finally, who says you have to choose one or the other? Nothing stops anyone from having a pc and a PlayStation should any exclusives pop up on it that you want.
I only listed 2020 games. Why would I buy a gaming PC if I wanted to play old potato games? PC has no AAA exclusives. The few games it got this year are pitiful.

PC can't do everything a PS5 will. Because it has no next-gen games. Only games held back by 2013 hardware. Only SONY invested in true next-gen games since 2017 to have them ready for release in 2020-2021 and dominate in ratings and awards. Remember, all multiplatform games were optimized for consoles. PC has to brute force them with raw power.

We saw a glimse of what the PS5 can do with Horizon 2 trailer. Visible grains of sand and endless draw distance. Ac Valhalla and Halo Infinite look like cartoon games in comparison. Don't get me started on Crysis Remastered.

PS5 + PC is a good combo but no point of upgrading it with an RTX 3000 gpu since it will still have no games that match up to PS5 next-gen exclusives graphically. Not to mention in gameplay. Exclusives have been dominating for a while now, Sony just has the largest amount of them.

Acroamatibus 2020 年 9 月 8 日 上午 11:43 
The Playstation 5 will have the same problems as all previous versions, it will not have support for editors. Steam's Workshop is a great way for PC game developers to add community created content for a game. Those who value pure appearance will be happy with the console, but those who want to create and share content will quickly get bored with the Playstation 5.
Mosh 2020 年 9 月 8 日 上午 11:46 
引用自 Acroamatibus
The Playstation 5 will have the same problems as all previous versions, it will not have support for editors. Steam's Workshop is a great way for PC game developers to add community created content for a game. Those who value pure appearance will be happy with the console, but those who want to create and share content will quickly get bored with the Playstation 5.
Well, Dreams is the best creator ever made for games
Chouchers 2020 年 9 月 8 日 上午 11:49 
引用自 Mosh
引用自 Monk
I am pretty sure the op is just trolling at this point.

However, at the risk of feeding it.

The list of games you can enjoy fully on the pc is too exhaustive to even begin listing, let's alone the genres that are pretty much exclude to pc's and the fact within a yeah I bet pc will get nearly every ps5 game to boot.

Consoles have their place, but a pc can do everything a console can, better.

With regards to upgrades, you can play on below max settings on an older system and likely still have a better looking experience than a console can get you.

Oh and 4k on consoles is rarely ever at anything like max settings.

It's why 4k resolution is just a dumb idea unless you have the power to max it out as otherwise, you can have a better looking, smoother game at lower res with higher settings.

Oh and finally, who says you have to choose one or the other? Nothing stops anyone from having a pc and a PlayStation should any exclusives pop up on it that you want.
I only listed 2020 games. Why would I buy a gaming PC if I wanted to play old potato games? PC has no AAA exclusives. The few games it got this year are pitiful.

PC can't do everything a PS5 will. Because it has no next-gen games. Only games held back by 2013 hardware. Only SONY invested in true next-gen games since 2017 to have them ready for release in 2020-2021 and dominate in ratings and awards. Remember, all multiplatform games were optimized for consoles. PC has to brute force them with raw power.

We saw a glimse of what the PS5 can do with Horizon 2 trailer. Visible grains of sand and endless draw distance. Ac Valhalla and Halo Infinite look like cartoon games in comparison. Don't get me started on Crysis Remastered.

PS5 + PC is a good combo but no point of upgrading it with an RTX 3000 gpu since it will still have no games that match up to PS5 next-gen exclusives graphically. Not to mention in gameplay. Exclusives have been dominating for a while now, Sony just has the largest amount of them.
Horizon 2 is on time exclusives list.
Mosh 2020 年 9 月 8 日 上午 11:59 
引用自 Chouchers
引用自 Mosh
I only listed 2020 games. Why would I buy a gaming PC if I wanted to play old potato games? PC has no AAA exclusives. The few games it got this year are pitiful.

PC can't do everything a PS5 will. Because it has no next-gen games. Only games held back by 2013 hardware. Only SONY invested in true next-gen games since 2017 to have them ready for release in 2020-2021 and dominate in ratings and awards. Remember, all multiplatform games were optimized for consoles. PC has to brute force them with raw power.

We saw a glimse of what the PS5 can do with Horizon 2 trailer. Visible grains of sand and endless draw distance. Ac Valhalla and Halo Infinite look like cartoon games in comparison. Don't get me started on Crysis Remastered.

PS5 + PC is a good combo but no point of upgrading it with an RTX 3000 gpu since it will still have no games that match up to PS5 next-gen exclusives graphically. Not to mention in gameplay. Exclusives have been dominating for a while now, Sony just has the largest amount of them.
Horizon 2 is on time exclusives list.
No it's not. Horizon was ported to advertise the PS5 exclusive superior sequel. This is obvious stuff.
Chouchers 2020 年 9 月 8 日 下午 12:18 
引用自 Mosh
引用自 Chouchers
Horizon 2 is on time exclusives list.
No it's not. Horizon was ported to advertise the PS5 exclusive superior sequel. This is obvious stuff.
You really trust Guerrilla after this.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1151640/Horizon_Zero_Dawn_Complete_Edition/
Monk 2020 年 9 月 8 日 下午 12:20 
So, we will ignore rts games, the overwhelming majority of mmo's, sims of all types, mobas etc and that over 99% of all games released annually are available on the pc, plus, the ps5 'exclusives' will all be headed to pc by the end of 2021 as Sony doesn't make anything off hardware so selling to the pc market just makes sense.

Oh and the amazing ps5 hardware is decidedly mid tier and that's before the 3000 series shows up, if you think its not, it just shows your lack of knowledge on the subject, oh and optimising of games these days largely means building for the pc and then turning settings down until it runs well on a console, just look at any game available on both, the pc blows it away.

As I said, there's a place for consoles, but a pc beats them hands down, for every console exclusive the pc has 10 or more of its own.
Mosh 2020 年 9 月 8 日 下午 12:40 
引用自 Chouchers
引用自 Mosh
No it's not. Horizon was ported to advertise the PS5 exclusive superior sequel. This is obvious stuff.
You really trust Guerrilla after this.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1151640/Horizon_Zero_Dawn_Complete_Edition/
Yes. They've done everything I expected them to. This port wasn't even done by them though.
Mosh 2020 年 9 月 8 日 下午 12:46 
引用自 Monk
So, we will ignore rts games, the overwhelming majority of mmo's, sims of all types, mobas etc and that over 99% of all games released annually are available on the pc, plus, the ps5 'exclusives' will all be headed to pc by the end of 2021 as Sony doesn't make anything off hardware so selling to the pc market just makes sense.

Oh and the amazing ps5 hardware is decidedly mid tier and that's before the 3000 series shows up, if you think its not, it just shows your lack of knowledge on the subject, oh and optimising of games these days largely means building for the pc and then turning settings down until it runs well on a console, just look at any game available on both, the pc blows it away.

As I said, there's a place for consoles, but a pc beats them hands down, for every console exclusive the pc has 10 or more of its own.
Uff I was waiting for this.
RTS genre is dead. The fact that the only RTS games still popular are remasters of games from 20 years ago that are horrible without nostalgia is proof. Bad thing to bring up.

WoW is dying and runs on ancient hardware. It also looks bland now without nostalgia. Pretty sure 2007 PC can still play it easily. FF14 and ESO are on console and play best with a controller. They were designed for controllers in general.

PS5 exclusives will all be on PC by 2021? I HOPE you are joking for your sake. All you will get is more droppings. Maybe Days Gone and Ratchet & Clank reboot to advertise the PS5 exclusive sequels. For every exclusive ported to PC, PS get's a new one. Nioh 2, FF7 Remake, Persona 5 Royal etc. It is not catching up at all. And Kingdom Hearts 3 stayed exclusive forever.

Consoles are never 'mid-tier' as they are prioritized by developers. All multiplatform games are held back by 2013 consoles right now. That means power doesn't matter much. Also Elden Ring and Cyberpunk got delayed by a year just to optimize them properly for all the 7 platforms they are releasing on.

It will be interesting seeing what you guys will come up with after the console is actually out with must-play TRUE next-gen exclusives.


AdahnGorion 2020 年 9 月 8 日 下午 12:53 
引用自 carl
引用自 Chouchers
https://twitter.com/Xbox/status/1303230071033880576

Xbox series S it self kill low end gaming PC market and uesd PC market now eyes turn to sony PS5. Is $299 too low price for SONY to match or undercut?

Rumoured to be targeting 120 FPS @ 1440p and RT. For $299. Would put a mid range gaming PC to shame?

We already know that these machines will have a set setting, Consoles are not really a danger to PC gaming or PC usage all in all, since the console is merely an entertainment system.... The fight that consoles take atm are against eachother and those new streaming services, because those are trying to gain the console crowd.

In two years, these consoles will be dated and on pair with a low range PC, in 4 years they will be abysmal, in 6 insignificant and so on. The pro about consoles are that you buy a box, then put it in your TV, then play games.... there is no upgrading, no change to play games, you know that the next 6-10 years you will be able to play games that come out.

But with only 60 fps and many games restrcited to 30 still, this is far from reaching what PC do.. I had 100 hz and ran high fps! in games back in 99.. (yes I had a 100hz CRT!!).... Consoles are great as a little entertainment system, but you can do no tax on them, no editing, no rendering and plenty of genres can´t be played either (mainly because of the controller scheme)
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