*Update* First time PC builder. Would like some info.

[Reaper]

I'm planning on building a PC with a budget around ~$1,200, just need to wait for cyber monday. So here's what I'm planning on getting.

CPU - AMD Ryzen 7 2700X
Motherboard - Gigabyte B450M DS3H
RAM - Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 8GB 3200MHz
GPU - GEFORCE RTX 3070
1ST Case - Corsair 275R Airflow
2nd Case - LIAN LI PC-O11
Power Supply - EVGA 850 BQ, 80+ BRONZE 850W
Case Fan - ARCTIC P12 PWM Pack

If I want to save some more money then I'll just go with the rtx 3060 when it's been announced.

If I need pcle 4 would this work.
AMD Ryzen 5 3600X
GIGABYTE B550M DS3H

[ericcui1]

R5 3600 is faster than R7 2700X in most games. You might as well get 3600+B550 regardless. It's not like there is a huge price difference.

[idester]

kinda surprised your just starting to build your PC now after 5 years of being on Steam but hey, why should I judge?

I don't understand why you would need 2 cases, is it because you are deciding either or for incase you cannot buy one? or are you keeping a case for later?

I would upgrade to a Ryzen 9 3900x but the Ryzen 7 2700x should be able to run gaming, also, you should be able to run pcle 4 regardless of the current parts you have, if you need to make the change come back to this thread

I would upgrade to 16GB Ram but that's just what I like to use because I like to have enough space to handle a lot of applications at once (And since I'm a Linux dude, I like to not have Windows using 11GB of ram I could be using for other things, I am in schooling and love to use a lot of other applications at once, plus I'm also using this PC for productivity and other hobbies)

Nonetheless, your PC should be able to run some of the newer titles for awhile, I hope you can run Microsoft Flight Simulator, I wouldn't want it to kill your PC lol.

[Reaper]

Цитата допису Cxncer:

kinda surprised your just starting to build your PC now after 5 years of being on Steam but hey, why should I judge?

I don't understand why you would need 2 cases, is it because you are deciding either or for incase you cannot buy one? or are you keeping a case for later?

I would upgrade to a Ryzen 9 3900x but the Ryzen 7 2700x should be able to run gaming, also, you should be able to run pcle 4 regardless of the current parts you have, if you need to make the change come back to this thread

I would upgrade to 16GB Ram but that's just what I like to use because I like to have enough space to handle a lot of applications at once (And since I'm a Linux dude, I like to not have Windows using 11GB of ram I could be using for other things, I am in schooling and love to use a lot of other applications at once, plus I'm also using this PC for productivity and other hobbies)

Nonetheless, your PC should be able to run some of the newer titles for awhile, I hope you can run Microsoft Flight Simulator, I wouldn't want it to kill your PC lol.

I am deciding on the two cases. I don't really have the budget for the amd 9 but if I have enough room then I'll get the and r9 3600x. Also my ram is 16 x2 8GB.

[ericcui1]

Also, get another 8GB RAM stick. 16GB dual channel is a must these days.
For PSU, 850W is way overkill. A quality 550W unit is more than enough for the current spec. If you want some headroom, a 650W unit is all you need. Anything above that are for those people who run multiple GPUs or HEDT platform.

[r.linder]

Цитата допису ericcui1:

Also, get another 8GB RAM stick. 16GB dual channel is a must these days.
For PSU, 850W is way overkill. A quality 550W unit is more than enough for the current spec. If you want some headroom, a 650W unit is all you need. Anything above that are for those people who run multiple GPUs or HEDT platform.

Single GPU systems can easily increase the recommended PSU spec to 750 or 850 because of Ampere.

[r.linder]

Цитата допису Reaper:

I'm planning on building a PC with a budget around ~$1,200, just need to wait for cyber monday. So here's what I'm planning on getting.

CPU - AMD Ryzen 7 2700X
Motherboard - Gigabyte B450M DS3H
RAM - Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 8GB 3200MHz
GPU - GEFORCE RTX 3070
1ST Case - Corsair 275R Airflow
2nd Case - LIAN LI PC-O11
Power Supply - EVGA 850 BQ, 80+ BRONZE 850W
Case Fan - ARCTIC P12 PWM Pack

If I want to save some more money then I'll just go with the rtx 3060 when it's been announced.

If I need pcle 4 would this work.
AMD Ryzen 5 3600X
GIGABYTE B550M DS3H

1. If the system is solely for gaming, you're better off with a 3600 because it gets better performance in games. Should be cheaper than the 2700X as well.

2. Dual channel RAM is necessary for Ryzen's IMC, you severely undercut CPU performance with single channel RAM.

3. Most/all Ryzen CPUs should bottleneck the 3070 to some degree if it's equal to or better than a 2080 Ti. Keep that in mind.

4. The Lian Li case is much nicer, though it doesn't support beefy air coolers like the Dark Rock Pro 4, so quality 360mm AIOs and custom loops are as good as it gets.

5. I wouldn't recommend anything less than a decent 80+ gold unit like EVGA SuperNova G, SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold, or Corsair RM.

[Electric Cupcake]

They've virtually banned energy-wasting incandescent bulbs in the US. I wonder why they haven't done the same for Bronze PSUs.

[ericcui1]

Цитата допису Escorve:

Цитата допису ericcui1:

Also, get another 8GB RAM stick. 16GB dual channel is a must these days.
For PSU, 850W is way overkill. A quality 550W unit is more than enough for the current spec. If you want some headroom, a 650W unit is all you need. Anything above that are for those people who run multiple GPUs or HEDT platform.

Single GPU systems can easily increase the recommended PSU spec to 750 or 850 because of Ampere.

OP was thinking about RTX3070. It's a 220W card, I doubt even partner models can reach 250W. A R5 3600 + RTX3070 should pull around 350W during gaming, it's not that high. Personally I think a 550W to 650W gold PSU is a better choice.

[r.linder]

Цитата допису ericcui1:

Цитата допису Escorve:

Single GPU systems can easily increase the recommended PSU spec to 750 or 850 because of Ampere.

OP was thinking about RTX3070. It's a 220W card, I doubt even partner models can reach 250W. A R5 3600 + RTX3070 should pull around 350W during gaming, it's not that high. Personally I think a 550W to 650W gold PSU is a better choice.

650W is a dead end above the 3070, and it's 220W TDP, that isn't max power draw for the FE model.

The 2080 Ti was 250W TDP but it was capable of drawing closer to 350W at full load, by itself.

People who don't want to replace their PSU when they do a GPU upgrade in a few years probably shouldn't be buying a 650W PSU because it will limit their options. The extra 10~20$ for an extra 100~200W is nothing compared to the upgrade value, not to mention the PSU will run more efficiently under load because it's closer to 50% load.

[ericcui1]

Цитата допису Escorve:

Цитата допису ericcui1:

The 2080 Ti was 250W TDP but it was capable of drawing closer to 350W at full load, by itself.

You are wrong. Unlike CPU, TDP for graphics card is actually very close to actual power draw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_wtoCBahhM&t=734s
Note in gaming tests, the maximum power draw for a i5 10600K + RTX 2080Ti is less than 400W.
In the case of R5 3600 + RTX3070, it will most certainly draw less. Like I said, you are looking at around 350W for such system, right at the efficiency sweet spot of a 550W to 650W PSU.

[ericcui1]

The theory of 50% load peak efficiency for PSU is not that relevant in real life. For a 80 plus gold PSU, efficiency at 50% load is 90%, and efficiency at 100% load is 87%. That 3% difference have almost no real impact on your power bill.
On the other hand, at very low load, say, 10%~20%, PSU efficiency dips far lower compare to 80%~90% load. If you care that much about environment, then high wattage PSU is a far worse choice. After all, most people only game a few hours a day, PC works at near idle power most of the time.

[Nomadski]

Цитата допису Reaper:

I'm planning on building a PC with a budget around ~$1,200, just need to wait for cyber monday. So here's what I'm planning on getting.

CPU - AMD Ryzen 7 2700X
Motherboard - Gigabyte B450M DS3H
RAM - Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 8GB 3200MHz
GPU - GEFORCE RTX 3070
1ST Case - Corsair 275R Airflow
2nd Case - LIAN LI PC-O11
Power Supply - EVGA 850 BQ, 80+ BRONZE 850W
Case Fan - ARCTIC P12 PWM Pack

If I want to save some more money then I'll just go with the rtx 3060 when it's been announced.

If I need pcle 4 would this work.
AMD Ryzen 5 3600X
GIGABYTE B550M DS3H

My own view would be a 3600x is way better option for gaming than 2700x and slightly more efficient on power.

I would read reviews of the Gigabyte B550M DS3H rather than the one you posted in the main section. I personally wouldn't be getting a MicroATX board with no potential for NVME upgrading with a (very) large 3000 series card. You may not want a NVME SSD right now, but what if the gaming benefits start becoming extremely apparent and they come down to more affordable levels? I would want at least the option of a future upgrade to NVME.

What are your storage plans?

16GB should be minimum RAM for a new build IMO.

I don't know much about the cases you've listed but do check clearance space available for air coolers if you want them or the (very) large 3070.

PSU - you've made the cardinal sin and skimped on the PSU. PSU goes bad, potentially other components go bad too. I would also go modular which have become very common. Advantage being only using the power cables you need, rather than having a big stack of cables at the back of your case doing nothing. Much more manageable too.

Nvidia recommends a 650W for a 3070 system (3080 wants 750W and 3090 wants 850W). My personal recommendation would be a Corsair RM650. Gold certified, and Corsair make brilliant modular PSUs BUT do think about future upgrades. If you choose to go with a better GPU in the future, it may require another new PSU.

Don't know much about those case fans, I've always had beQuiet! Silient Wings in my 750D and they have been awesome.

My two cents. Sometimes it's better to invest a little more when you build, that extra investment pays for itself over the years.

[Nomadski]

Цитата допису Cuttlefish:

I guess 16 GB of RAM isn't enough for Microsoft Flight Simulator since that was mentioned. That's one of the titles that (I believe significantly) benefits from having more than 16 GB.

Going forward 16gb will become more common too. Even the new consoles have 16gb ram and that will drive a lot of game requirements up, even for pc.

[Reaper]

Цитата допису ericcui1:

Цитата допису Escorve:

Single GPU systems can easily increase the recommended PSU spec to 750 or 850 because of Ampere.

OP was thinking about RTX3070. It's a 220W card, I doubt even partner models can reach 250W. A R5 3600 + RTX3070 should pull around 350W during gaming, it's not that high. Personally I think a 550W to 650W gold PSU is a better choice.

So you don't need to have the recommended power supply the minimum would be good. Thanks.

[Reaper]

For now I'm not planning on water cooling. So I was wondering if x5 at 1800 rpm would be enough for cooling. I'm aiming for 80°C or better. The case I'm going to get is LIAN LI PC-O11. I'm planning on having 3 intake fans on the side, one on the bottom middle. For out take one for middle top. The case can have up to 9 fans.

How would I know how many fans the GIGABYTE B550M DS3H motherboard can handle. If it can't handle that many fans then would a decent $12-20 PWM fan hub would want work. I don't mind the noise I'll be using headphones.