Thinking about a gaming desktop
Hey there. I'm thinking about getting a gaming desktop at some point. I've looked around online and I've found 3 options that I like and I wanted to see if they were any good. I'm not good with computers when it comes to understanding what hardware is good and bad so any advice would be greatly appreciated. Anyway here are the computers I'm looking at. For context I like to game a lot and I do video editing and content creation but not at the same time. Which of these would be my best bet?
Looking at budget under 1,500 usd, DIY using amd parts where possible.
Ultima modifica da captainnick14; 6 set 2020, ore 9:35
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Amd vs Intel:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tomshardware.com/amp/features/amd-vs-intel-cpus

Amd vs Nvidia:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tomshardware.com/amp/features/amd-vs-nvidia-gpus

GPU building guide 2020:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-buying-guide,5844.html

Graphics Card Manufacturers (Amd/Nvidia):
https://graphicscardhub.com/graphics-card-manufacturers-brands/

Usually if you are on a budget then amd is the way to go. But if you want a powerful pc then intel and Nvidia is the way to go. If you are on a budget, but still want a powerful enough pc then get an amd cpu and Nvidia gpu (that's what I did).

Gpu manufacturers all have there ups and downs. Asus is more expensive and I heard that they have bad customer support. Well EVGA (usa only) have 3+ years warranty and great customer support. Asus makes both amd and Nvidia gpus, well EVGA only makes Nvidia gpus. For me I'm going with EVGA, because warranty and support. But in order to get the benefits from EVGA you have to buy from there main website and not from a 3rd party retailer.
I'm on a budget here. Best bang for your buck 1080p gaming desktop with an amd cpu and an nvidia gpu. What would you recommend for a build under 1,200 usd? Any recommendations?
CPU: amd ryzen 5 3600x - $210
CPU: amd ryzen 7 3700x - $290

GPU: gtx 1660 super - $240
GPU: gtx 1660 to - $300

The cpu is good, but I don't know how long the 16 series would last for 1080p gaming on high @ 60hz for newer games. If you go for the rtx 2060 ($400) its good for 1080p gaming, but the rtx 20 series are render obsolete because of the rtx 30 series.

"NVIDIA cards are made up of many "streaming multiprocessors," or SMs. Each of the 2080 Ti's 68 "Turing" SMs contain, among many other things, 64 "FP32" cuda cores dedicated to floating-point math and 64 "INT32" cores dedicated to integer math (calculations with whole numbers). 

The big innovation in the Turing SM, aside from the AI and ray-tracing acceleration, was the ability to execute integer and floating-point math simultaneously. This was a significant change from the prior generation, Pascal, where banks of cores would flip between integer and floating-point on an either-or basis.

The RTX 3000 cards are built on an architecture NVIDIA calls "Ampere," and its SM, in some ways, takes both the Pascal and the Turing approach. Ampere keeps the 64 FP32 cores as before, but the 64 other cores are now designated as "FP32 and INT32.” So, half the Ampere cores are dedicated to floating-point, but the other half can perform either floating-point or integer math, just like in Pascal.

With this switch, NVIDIA is now counting each SM as containing 128 FP32 cores, rather than the 64 that Turing had. The 3070's "5,888 cuda cores" are perhaps better described as "2,944 cuda cores, and 2,944 cores that can be cuda."

As games have become more complex, developers have begun to lean more heavily on integers. An NVIDIA slide from the original 2018 RTX launch suggested that integer math, on average, made up about a quarter of in-game GPU operations.

The downside of the Turing SM is the potential for under-utilization. If, for example, a workload is 25-percent integer math, around a quarter of the GPU’s cores could be sitting around with nothing to do.

That’s the thinking behind this new semi-unified core structure, and, on paper, it makes a lot of sense: You can still run integer and floating-point operations simultaneously, but when those integer cores are dormant, they can run floating-point instead.

At NVIDIA's RTX 3000 launch, CEO Jensen Huang said the RTX 3070 was "more powerful than the RTX 2080 Ti." Using what we now know about Ampere's design, integer, floating-point, clock speeds and teraflops, we can see how things might pan out. In that “25-percent integer” workload, 4,416 of those cores could be running FP32 math, with 1,472 handling the necessary INT32. 

Coupled with all the other changes Ampere brings, the 3070 could outperform the 2080 Ti by perhaps 10 percent, assuming the game doesn't mind having 8GB instead of 11GB memory to work with. In the absolute (and highly unlikely) worst-case scenario, where a workload is extremely integer-dependent, it could behave more like the 2080. On the other hand, if a game requires very little integer math, the boost over the 2080 Ti could be enormous".

The rtx 3070 is $500, while when the rtx 3060 should be released should be around $300-400. And be more powerful then the rtx 2060. Remember that you can increase your budget by $100-200, because once cyber monday comes you will be getting discounts on a lot of pc components.

The build that I have is $1,300 is pretty high end for 1440p gaming on high settings. You don't really need a motherboard that's $200+ same with ram that's $100+. A good ATX motherboard around $150 or less and 3200 ram for $40-70 is good enough. For the case $70-100 is good. Just keep doing your research on different types of cases in that price range. For case fans get the ones that I have, there cheap and the manufacturer is well known get 5 of them for $70.
Ultima modifica da Reaper; 5 set 2020, ore 19:35
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Messaggio originale di Guydodge:
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3700X-16-Thread-Processor/dp/B07Y35WYBB/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2DFR431STPIL4&dchild=1&keywords=3700x%2Bbundle&qid=1599357042&sprefix=3700X%2Caps%2C167&sr=8-1&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-2x16GB-PC4-25600-Optimized/dp/B07TB47MN4/ref=sr_1_6?crid=2889U6KOQ4REO&dchild=1&keywords=amd+memory+ddr4+3200mhz&qid=1599357310&sprefix=AMD+MEMO%2Caps%2C164&sr=8-6


https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-ToughPower-PS-TPD-0750MPCGUS-1-alimentaci%C3%B3n-semimodular/dp/B00IUQRPQS/ref=sr_1_5?crid=289TJ5ATO0G29&dchild=1&keywords=power+supply+pc+750w&qid=1599357380&sprefix=POWER+SUPPLY+PC%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-5

https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Motherboard-Computer-Pre-Installed-CA-1P8-00M1WN-00/dp/B0837KQFCN/ref=sr_1_12?dchild=1&keywords=thermaltake+mesh+mid+tower+pc+case+with+rgb+fans&qid=1599357746&sr=8-12

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-1TB-NAND-NVMe-PCIe/dp/B07J2Q4SWZ/ref=sr_1_7?crid=FT1VD94GZR4L&dchild=1&keywords=m.2+ssd+1tb&qid=1599357873&sprefix=m.2%2Caps%2C206&sr=8-7

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07H25DYM3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

and add a 3000 series card 3060 or 3070 around 1500 build should rock your world
Ngl that motherboard seems steep. That's pushing my budget. Why do you recommend it?

You can go with the one that I have.
Motherboard - GIGABYTE B550 Gaming X (3 Fan) (ATX): $130
https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/B550-GAMING-X-rev-10#kf

The build that I have is $1,300 is pretty high end for 1440p gaming on high settings. You don't really need a motherboard that's $200+ same with ram that's $100+. A good ATX motherboard around $150 or less and 3200 ram for $40-70 is good enough. For the case $70-100 is good. Just keep doing your research on different types of cases in that price range. For case fans get the ones that I have, there cheap and the manufacturer is well known get 5 of them for $70.
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Messaggio originale di Guydodge:
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3700X-16-Thread-Processor/dp/B07Y35WYBB/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2DFR431STPIL4&dchild=1&keywords=3700x%2Bbundle&qid=1599357042&sprefix=3700X%2Caps%2C167&sr=8-1&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-2x16GB-PC4-25600-Optimized/dp/B07TB47MN4/ref=sr_1_6?crid=2889U6KOQ4REO&dchild=1&keywords=amd+memory+ddr4+3200mhz&qid=1599357310&sprefix=AMD+MEMO%2Caps%2C164&sr=8-6


https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-ToughPower-PS-TPD-0750MPCGUS-1-alimentaci%C3%B3n-semimodular/dp/B00IUQRPQS/ref=sr_1_5?crid=289TJ5ATO0G29&dchild=1&keywords=power+supply+pc+750w&qid=1599357380&sprefix=POWER+SUPPLY+PC%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-5

https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Motherboard-Computer-Pre-Installed-CA-1P8-00M1WN-00/dp/B0837KQFCN/ref=sr_1_12?dchild=1&keywords=thermaltake+mesh+mid+tower+pc+case+with+rgb+fans&qid=1599357746&sr=8-12

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-1TB-NAND-NVMe-PCIe/dp/B07J2Q4SWZ/ref=sr_1_7?crid=FT1VD94GZR4L&dchild=1&keywords=m.2+ssd+1tb&qid=1599357873&sprefix=m.2%2Caps%2C206&sr=8-7

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07H25DYM3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

and add a 3000 series card 3060 or 3070 around 1500 build should rock your world
Ngl that motherboard seems steep. That's pushing my budget. Why do you recommend it?
i dont believe in lesser motherboards,you can go for a cheaper one
personally thats 1 area i dont skimp.the aorus bundle on that page is 30 cheaper just as nice
otherwise the lower end of either m.b.will do
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Ngl that motherboard seems steep. That's pushing my budget. Why do you recommend it?

You can go with the one that I have.
Motherboard - GIGABYTE B550 Gaming X (3 Fan) (ATX): $130
https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/B550-GAMING-X-rev-10#kf

The build that I have is $1,300 is pretty high end for 1440p gaming on high settings. You don't really need a motherboard that's $200+ same with ram that's $100+. A good ATX motherboard around $150 or less and 3200 ram for $40-70 is good enough. For the case $70-100 is good. Just keep doing your research on different types of cases in that price range. For case fans get the ones that I have, there cheap and the manufacturer is well known get 5 of them for $70.
I do 1080p gaming and video editing. So really I need to figure a CPU, GPU and motherboard and case with a psu. But I'm mostly concerned about the gpu and cpu rn
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Messaggio originale di Reaper:

You can go with the one that I have.
Motherboard - GIGABYTE B550 Gaming X (3 Fan) (ATX): $130
https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/B550-GAMING-X-rev-10#kf

The build that I have is $1,300 is pretty high end for 1440p gaming on high settings. You don't really need a motherboard that's $200+ same with ram that's $100+. A good ATX motherboard around $150 or less and 3200 ram for $40-70 is good enough. For the case $70-100 is good. Just keep doing your research on different types of cases in that price range. For case fans get the ones that I have, there cheap and the manufacturer is well known get 5 of them for $70.
I do 1080p gaming and video editing. So really I need to figure a CPU, GPU and motherboard and case with a psu. But I'm mostly concerned about the gpu and cpu rn

CPU: amd ryzen 5 3600x - $210
CPU: amd ryzen 7 3700x - $290

GPU: gtx 1660 super - $240
GPU: gtx 1660 ti - $300

The cpu is good, but I don't know how long the 16 series would last for 1080p gaming on high @ 60hz for newer games. If you go for the rtx 2060 ($400) its good for 1080p gaming, but the rtx 20 series are render obsolete because of the rtx 30 series.

The rtx 3070 is $500, while when the rtx 3060 should be released should be around $300-400. And be more powerful then the rtx 2060. Remember that you can increase your budget by $100-200, because once cyber monday comes you will be getting discounts on a lot of pc components.

You should get something that's higher then 1080p gaming so that it would last you for a longer time.
Ultima modifica da Reaper; 5 set 2020, ore 20:18
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Messaggio originale di captainnick14:
I do 1080p gaming and video editing. So really I need to figure a CPU, GPU and motherboard and case with a psu. But I'm mostly concerned about the gpu and cpu rn

CPU: amd ryzen 5 3600x - $210
CPU: amd ryzen 7 3700x - $290

GPU: gtx 1660 super - $240
GPU: gtx 1660 ti - $300

The cpu is good, but I don't know how long the 16 series would last for 1080p gaming on high @ 60hz for newer games. If you go for the rtx 2060 ($400) its good for 1080p gaming, but the rtx 20 series are render obsolete because of the rtx 30 series.

The rtx 3070 is $500, while when the rtx 3060 should be released should be around $300-400. And be more powerful then the rtx 2060. Remember that you can increase your budget by $100-200, because once cyber monday comes you will be getting discounts on a lot of pc components.

You should get something that's higher then 1080p gaming so that it would last you for a longer time.
Well what's the difference between 1080p and 1440p gaming in terms of performance? I know the numbers refer to pixels but that's it.


Edit. Did some research and i found something in my budget

Ryzen 5 3600 w stock cooler

Motherboard b450
16gg lpx
1tb samsung 2.5 ssd
GPU xfx rx 5600xt thicc 2 pro
Cx series 540 watt 80 plus bronze
Total price 1,100 usd.

https://www.pcpartguide.com/builds-for-1440p-gaming/#The_Build_Components
Ultima modifica da captainnick14; 5 set 2020, ore 22:43
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CPU: amd ryzen 5 3600x - $210
CPU: amd ryzen 7 3700x - $290

GPU: gtx 1660 super - $240
GPU: gtx 1660 ti - $300

The cpu is good, but I don't know how long the 16 series would last for 1080p gaming on high @ 60hz for newer games. If you go for the rtx 2060 ($400) its good for 1080p gaming, but the rtx 20 series are render obsolete because of the rtx 30 series.

The rtx 3070 is $500, while when the rtx 3060 should be released should be around $300-400. And be more powerful then the rtx 2060. Remember that you can increase your budget by $100-200, because once cyber monday comes you will be getting discounts on a lot of pc components.

You should get something that's higher then 1080p gaming so that it would last you for a longer time.
Well what's the difference between 1080p and 1440p gaming in terms of performance? I know the numbers refer to pixels but that's it.


Edit. Did some research and inbound something in my budget

Ryzen 5 3600 w stock cooler

Motherboard b450
16gg lpx
1tb samsung 2.5 ssd
GPU xfx rx 5600xt thicc 2 pro
Cx series 540 watt 80 plus bronze
Total price 1,100 usd.

https://www.pcpartguide.com/builds-for-1440p-gaming/#The_Build_Components
honestly your building a pre built might as well buy one im not being a smart ass
https://www.amazon.com/Skytech-Archangel-Gaming-Computer-Desktop/dp/B088W1QJP1/ref=sr_1_12?crid=25M0DZTAAQSXJ&dchild=1&keywords=prebuilt+pc&qid=1599370372&sprefix=prebuilt%2Caps%2C171&sr=8-12

you get the case the fans windows 10 which you havent factored into your price range
honestly this is a no brainer considering your budget.
Ultima modifica da Guydodge; 5 set 2020, ore 22:45
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Messaggio originale di captainnick14:
Well what's the difference between 1080p and 1440p gaming in terms of performance? I know the numbers refer to pixels but that's it.


Edit. Did some research and inbound something in my budget

Ryzen 5 3600 w stock cooler

Motherboard b450
16gg lpx
1tb samsung 2.5 ssd
GPU xfx rx 5600xt thicc 2 pro
Cx series 540 watt 80 plus bronze
Total price 1,100 usd.

https://www.pcpartguide.com/builds-for-1440p-gaming/#The_Build_Components
honestly your building a pre built might as well buy one im not being a smart ass
https://www.amazon.com/Skytech-Archangel-Gaming-Computer-Desktop/dp/B088W1QJP1/ref=sr_1_12?crid=25M0DZTAAQSXJ&dchild=1&keywords=prebuilt+pc&qid=1599370372&sprefix=prebuilt%2Caps%2C171&sr=8-12

you get the case the fans windows 10 which you havent factored into your price range
honestly this is a no brainer considering your budget.
That prebuilt better not have a single 16GB RAM stick, because single channel RAM just severely undercuts Ryzen's CPU performance. The way the IMC works, even with third gen, you're basically cutting performance from RAM in half.

Most pre-builts with Ryzen usually are even worse than usual because of things like that. System integrators don't care enough to make sure it's dual channel if it costs them more.
Ultima modifica da r.linder; 5 set 2020, ore 22:50
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honestly your building a pre built might as well buy one im not being a smart ass
https://www.amazon.com/Skytech-Archangel-Gaming-Computer-Desktop/dp/B088W1QJP1/ref=sr_1_12?crid=25M0DZTAAQSXJ&dchild=1&keywords=prebuilt+pc&qid=1599370372&sprefix=prebuilt%2Caps%2C171&sr=8-12

you get the case the fans windows 10 which you havent factored into your price range
honestly this is a no brainer considering your budget.
That prebuilt better not have a single 16GB RAM stick, because single channel RAM just severely undercuts Ryzen's CPU performance. The way the IMC works, even with third gen, you're basically cutting performance from RAM in half.

Most pre-builts with Ryzen usually are even worse than usual because of things like that. System integrators don't care enough to make sure it's dual channel if it costs them more.
So what should I do for a build? Like do I need to change my expectations or budget here?
Ultima modifica da captainnick14; 5 set 2020, ore 22:53
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Messaggio originale di Guydodge:
honestly your building a pre built might as well buy one im not being a smart ass
https://www.amazon.com/Skytech-Archangel-Gaming-Computer-Desktop/dp/B088W1QJP1/ref=sr_1_12?crid=25M0DZTAAQSXJ&dchild=1&keywords=prebuilt+pc&qid=1599370372&sprefix=prebuilt%2Caps%2C171&sr=8-12

you get the case the fans windows 10 which you havent factored into your price range
honestly this is a no brainer considering your budget.
That prebuilt better not have a single 16GB RAM stick, because single channel RAM just severely undercuts Ryzen's CPU performance. The way the IMC works, even with third gen, you're basically cutting performance from RAM in half.

Most pre-builts with Ryzen usually are even worse than usual because of things like that. System integrators don't care enough to make sure it's dual channel if it costs them more.
even if that were true 32gb of 3000 or 3200 is cheap.my honest opinion buy a pre built learn about the pc and how it works possibly upgrade a little
get your feet wet in a year or 2 he'll hsve a real idea of what he wants and some knowledge
to capitalize on it..JMO
Honestly, first you should look up more info on custom built PCs (how to assemble a motherboard, hook everything up). Here's a video that would help you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PubJxQBKBio

(Don't get the parts that he would, it will underperform)

*For CPU get amd ryzen 5 3600x: $210
*For the gpu wait for the rtx 3060 (might be coming in early 2021): $300-$400.
*For motherboard you want one the would be comparable with 3200 RAM sticks. The motherboard would be an ATX and the price would be: $100 or higher. Go to Amazon and type: 'Motherboard ATX 3200' then go to 'filters' and in the 'filters' click these:

*Sort by: Price: low to high
*Motherboard CPU Socket Type: Amd
*Motherboard Memory Technology: DDR4
*Motherboard Form Factor: ATX
*Condition: New
"Click done"

After that look up what type and band you like in Google search: for example I have 'GIGABYTE B550 Gaming X' I'll click on the website 'Gigabyte' and look at it's key features. To make sure that my cpu and ram will support the motherboard I click 'Key Features' specifications for RAM (will be on the Memory section). For CPU go to support and click on CPU support.

For RAM get this Patriot Viper 4 Blackout (x2) 8GB 3200MHz: $43 (you can always get more later. Just make sure you get the same ones).
https://www.amazon.com/Patriot-Viper-Blackout-DDR4-3200MHz/dp/B07WDN5VNR/ref=sr_1_17?dchild=1&keywords=patriot+memory+8gb+ddr4+ram&qid=1596588940&s=electronics&sr=1-17
The brand is good, and it's inexpensive.

For case fans you want something that will have high cfm. You can get the ones that I have. There cheap and the brand is well know. Case Fan - Noctua NF-P12 redux-1700 PWM (70 cfm) get 4-5 of them. (you can always get more for later depending on how much fans your case can hold)
https://www.amazon.com/noctua-redux-1700-high-performance-award-winning-affordable/dp/B07CG2PGY6/?tag=akshatblog198-20

For the power supply a 600W thats $60-$80 would be good, but make sure that is rated like this 80+ BRONZE for power efficiency. Make sure it's a good brand.

Get the full version of windows 10 from Microsoft themselves: $140. Any cheaper than $140 would be OMEs. OMEs are for people building there own pc then selling them (prebuilts), but you won't get any tech support from Microsoft and the OME could lock up your motherboard.

Get 2-4TB HDD: $50-$100 you can always upgrade later. Just make sure that the PC is powered down.

4 Pin PWM Fan Splitter: $12. ATX motherboards can hook up to 3 fans to a single fan header.

For cases, I found three when I was looking at my build that would be good and would cost $70-100.

MasterBox NR600: $70
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sytapy-WNs8

Corsair 275R Airflow: $90
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZybfT2sBG2A

Thermaltake Core G21 Tempered Glass: $90
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dNnMC0jtfos

For the very last thing look at different GPU manufacturers they all have there ups and downs so get the one that you like:
https://graphicscardhub.com/graphics-card-manufacturers-brands/

After all that your build would look like this:
CPU - amd ryzen 5 3600x
GPU - rtx 3060
Motherboard - ATX
RAM - Patriot Viper 4 Blackout (x2) 8GB 3200MHz
Case fan - Noctua NF-P12 redux-1700 PWM
Case - look at the three videos and decide which one you like.
Storage space - 2-4TB
4 Pin PWM Fan Splitter


Try and increase your budget to $1,300 and DON'T FORGET CYBER MONDAY there will be discounts on pc parts. You could be looking at up to $80-$150 in discounts. The reason why you want a gpu that's can game higher then 1080p, is because it would last you longer for newer games. *You don't need to game on 1440p if you don't want to it's just to make sure that your gpu can withstand newer games for a longer time. The gpu I'm getting is an rtx 3070 that's good for 1440p-4K, but I only have a 1080p display for know*.
Ultima modifica da Reaper; 6 set 2020, ore 4:14
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That prebuilt better not have a single 16GB RAM stick, because single channel RAM just severely undercuts Ryzen's CPU performance. The way the IMC works, even with third gen, you're basically cutting performance from RAM in half.

Most pre-builts with Ryzen usually are even worse than usual because of things like that. System integrators don't care enough to make sure it's dual channel if it costs them more.
So what should I do for a build? Like do I need to change my expectations or budget here?

First, think about what you want to do with your build. That will influence what parts you select (a PC mainly used for office work would be specced much differently than a PC used for gaming).

Then set a budget: how much are you willing to spend on a new system?

I understand part selection is a bit confusing for you, but it seems that your needs/expectations aren't exactly clear, which is making it more difficult for others to help you. Your original post said you want a budget of under $1500, but scrolling up, you also mentioned looking for something under $1200. Which one is it?

We also don't know what parts you are currently considering, because they are buried in the comments. Your original post still has a list of prebuilt systems, which makes it seem like you are still considering those.

From what I gathered, you seem to want to do content creation, video editing, and 1080p gaming. Does that sound about right?
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