DANGEROUS DS 2020 年 8 月 19 日 下午 6:27
SSD problem!! low write speed 80MB/s and high Avg response time on 100% active
Hi,

I ran into a problem that my SSD getting laggy and slow and crashing when installing or update any game on steam or anything else other than steam that uses write speed from sold hard drive or hard disk, my reading speed of my ssd is okay (at 500MB/s) but I have a write speed of (10MB/s to 80MB/s) which is not normal and my SSD should be running at higher writing speed, my SSD the WD GREEN 1TB, even my old HDD has a faster writing speed but not reading for sure, so that shows that I have problem with the SSD writing speed, so please help, I have tried most of the stuff that might help but I gave him, so I think you guys can help me, please I need solutions
引用自 Talby:
引用自 DANGEROUS DS
...The SSD have (C:) 124GB free and (D:) 241GB free and I did everthing you told me and cleanup the ssd and still

I would get a 500Gb M2 nvme, clone your C drive to it, remove the old first partition and extend the D drive to the entire disk.
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Tristan 2020 年 8 月 19 日 下午 11:06 
WHY ARE PEPOLE STILL BUYING SSD WHEN U GET 10 000 MORE BETTER performance WITH MV2 ?

I DONT GET IT ? IS IT BECAUSE THEY ARE SO CHEAP NOW ?

BUY THIS U WILL BE SO HAPPY


https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/1000GB-Samsung-970-Evo-Plus-M-2-2280-PCIe-3-0-x4-NVMe-1-3-3D-NAND-TLC--_1292800.html
最後修改者:Tristan; 2020 年 8 月 19 日 下午 11:58
Bad 💀 Motha 2020 年 8 月 19 日 下午 11:52 
Yea I don't get how the OP has all those expensive parts and then has a WD green ssd, it doesn't even make sense.
Illusion of Progress 2020 年 8 月 20 日 上午 12:56 
引用自 Capri-Sun
WHY ARE PEPOLE STILL BUYING SSD WHEN U GET 10 000 MORE BETTER performance WITH MV2 ?

I DONT GET IT ? IS IT BECAUSE THEY ARE SO CHEAP NOW ?

BUY THIS U WILL BE SO HAPPY


https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/1000GB-Samsung-970-Evo-Plus-M-2-2280-PCIe-3-0-x4-NVMe-1-3-3D-NAND-TLC--_1292800.html
NVMe is a protocol for SSDs. In other words, they are SSDs.

The performance is there in the numbers, but in most real world use, most users won't see much difference between an NVMe SSD and a standard SATA SSD outside of a few select workflows.

Having an M.2 port is a factor; not all motherboards or systems have them. Mine didn't until I recently upgraded.

Cost is another big factor. The drive you linked to is over $200 USD. You can get an SATA 1 TB SSD for just over half that (I know there's cheaper NVMe M.2 drives but I'm comparing to the one you said to buy).

Personally, I've bought three times more mechanical hard drives in the last 5 years than I have SSDs, though in the last 10 I've bought three of each. Two of those drives were for data and storage and it'd have been way cost prohibitive to get SSDs of that size for speed I don't need for them, and the third was for games, which is honestly hard to tell the difference of compared to my SSD in the majority of games I play (I do still tend to move the games I'm playing most at the time to my SSD). My next purchase will likely be an M.2 slot NVMe drive but it's a bit silly to wonder why anyone buys anything else. Cost; the answer is almost always cost.
最後修改者:Illusion of Progress; 2020 年 8 月 20 日 上午 12:57
Thunder Lips 2020 年 8 月 20 日 上午 1:00 
Check the free drive space, make sure it has more than %20 free. Drives with less usually suffer from performance loss due to the NTFS overhead. Also make sure no power savings on the drive
Tristan 2020 年 8 月 20 日 上午 4:02 
引用自 Capri-Sun
WHY ARE PEPOLE STILL BUYING SSD WHEN U GET 10 000 MORE BETTER performance WITH MV2 ?

I DONT GET IT ? IS IT BECAUSE THEY ARE SO CHEAP NOW ?

BUY THIS U WILL BE SO HAPPY


https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/1000GB-Samsung-970-Evo-Plus-M-2-2280-PCIe-3-0-x4-NVMe-1-3-3D-NAND-TLC--_1292800.html
NVMe is a protocol for SSDs. In other words, they are SSDs.

The performance is there in the numbers, but in most real world use, most users won't see much difference between an NVMe SSD and a standard SATA SSD outside of a few select workflows.

Having an M.2 port is a factor; not all motherboards or systems have them. Mine didn't until I recently upgraded.

Cost is another big factor. The drive you linked to is over $200 USD. You can get an SATA 1 TB SSD for just over half that (I know there's cheaper NVMe M.2 drives but I'm comparing to the one you said to buy).

Personally, I've bought three times more mechanical hard drives in the last 5 years than I have SSDs, though in the last 10 I've bought three of each. Two of those drives were for data and storage and it'd have been way cost prohibitive to get SSDs of that size for speed I don't need for them, and the third was for games, which is honestly hard to tell the difference of compared to my SSD in the majority of games I play (I do still tend to move the games I'm playing most at the time to my SSD). My next purchase will likely be an M.2 slot NVMe drive but it's a bit silly to wonder why anyone buys anything else. Cost; the answer is almost always cost.

I see what ur saying and thats why i was thinking
to make him see it is worth it to pay a little more . for the extra performance

unless he has said i want to make RAID than i wouldn't have said anything
DANGEROUS DS 2020 年 8 月 20 日 上午 4:03 
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
How much free space is on the ssd?

Again you will want to wipe your Drivers and redo them using all the very latest ones as the old drivers may no longer be in effect due to the fact you are now on a whole new OS. Chipset drivers contain the ahci driver which is responsible for allowing full performance of your drives.

Also run Disk Cleanup but right click it and click Run As Admin. Tick all boxes from that listing, except for Downloads and click OK to wipe all of that space hogging temp file junk.
The SSD have (C:) 124GB free and (D:) 241GB free and I did everthing you told me and cleanup the ssd and still
DANGEROUS DS 2020 年 8 月 20 日 上午 4:05 
引用自 Capri-Sun
WHY ARE PEPOLE STILL BUYING SSD WHEN U GET 10 000 MORE BETTER performance WITH MV2 ?

I DONT GET IT ? IS IT BECAUSE THEY ARE SO CHEAP NOW ?

BUY THIS U WILL BE SO HAPPY


https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/1000GB-Samsung-970-Evo-Plus-M-2-2280-PCIe-3-0-x4-NVMe-1-3-3D-NAND-TLC--_1292800.html


引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
Yea I don't get how the OP has all those expensive parts and then has a WD green ssd, it doesn't even make sense.

Becasuse some people like me didn't build their own PC so they stuck with this annoying issues, PC is from IBUYSHIT-power*
DANGEROUS DS 2020 年 8 月 20 日 上午 4:08 
引用自 Digi
Check the free drive space, make sure it has more than %20 free. Drives with less usually suffer from performance loss due to the NTFS overhead. Also make sure no power savings on the drive
Its over %20 free space, and I checked and updated the drivers using Advanced System Repair Pro, and Drive booster 7.5 from steam and the Intel checker and also the Western Digital SSD Dashboard, all this tools I have used, is there is any tool better?
Lord Flashheart 2020 年 8 月 20 日 上午 4:08 
Sounds like it is a QLC drive.
DANGEROUS DS 2020 年 8 月 20 日 上午 4:11 
引用自 Mamba Bajamba
Sounds like it is a QLC drive.
I dont know to be honest with you, I dont know what's QLC I just heard of it now from you
Lord Flashheart 2020 年 8 月 20 日 上午 4:25 
引用自 DANGEROUS DS
引用自 Mamba Bajamba
Sounds like it is a QLC drive.
I dont know to be honest with you, I dont know what's QLC I just heard of it now from you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WACyyFF_ci0
Illusion of Progress 2020 年 8 月 20 日 上午 4:30 
引用自 DANGEROUS DS
引用自 Mamba Bajamba
Sounds like it is a QLC drive.
I dont know to be honest with you, I dont know what's QLC I just heard of it now from you
Traditionally, bits are saved as either on or off (1 or 0). This is SLC (single layer cell).

A while back, then came MLC (multi layer cell).

Not long ago, they again increased density and now there's TLC (triple level cell).

QLC (quad level cell) is the next thing.

So how does this relate, if it just allows them to cram more storage space into a given area? Well, performance suffers, namely sustained write performance. I'm not 100% positive but I think durability goes down too (it's still higher than most should ever have to worry about yet, but it's worth mentioning). Every time they go up a layer "level", the additional voltage levels needed is exponential, whereas the gained space is not. It's diminishing returns, literally. QLC is really just at a point where it's gotten bad to the extent that some of them are hardly better than the faster mechanical drives in sustained writes (they are obviously much better at all else).

Further reading:

https://www.howtogeek.com/428869/ssds-are-getting-denser-and-slower-thanks-to-qlc-flash/

I don't know if your drive is QLC, but the symptom makes me think there's a good chance it is (that, and it's a Green drive). If that a recent-ish drive, I'd bet it is. My Western Digital Blue SSD is TLC as far as I know, and I think my prior 256 GB Crucial was MLC. I remember years and years ago, everyone was saying TLC was bad and to try and get MLC or even SLC drives.
最後修改者:Illusion of Progress; 2020 年 8 月 20 日 上午 4:31
DANGEROUS DS 2020 年 8 月 20 日 上午 4:34 
引用自 Mamba Bajamba
引用自 DANGEROUS DS
I dont know to be honest with you, I dont know what's QLC I just heard of it now from you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WACyyFF_ci0


引用自 DANGEROUS DS
I dont know to be honest with you, I dont know what's QLC I just heard of it now from you
Traditionally, bits are saved as either on or off (1 or 0). This is SLC (single layer cell).

A while back, then came MLC (multi layer cell).

Not long ago, they again increased density and now there's TLC (triple level cell).

QLC (quad level cell) is the next thing.

So how does this relate, if it just allows them to cram more storage space into a given area? Well, performance suffers, namely sustained write performance. I'm not 100% positive but I think durability goes down too (it's still higher than most should ever have to worry about yet, but it's worth mentioning). Every time they go up a layer "level", the additional voltage levels needed is exponential, whereas the gained space is not. It's diminishing returns, literally. QLC is really just at a point where it's gotten bad to the extent that some of them are hardly better than the faster mechanical drives in sustained writes (they are obviously much better at all else).

Further reading:

https://www.howtogeek.com/428869/ssds-are-getting-denser-and-slower-thanks-to-qlc-flash/

I don't know if your drive is QLC, but the symptom makes me think there's a good chance it is (that, and it's a Green drive). If that a recent-ish drive, I'd bet it is. My Western Digital Blue SSD is TLC as far as I know, and I think my prior 256 GB Crucial was MLC. I remember years and years ago, everyone was saying TLC was bad and to try and get MLC or even SLC drives.

so if it was QLC there is no solution to fix it or fix the problem?
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Talby 2020 年 8 月 20 日 上午 4:35 
引用自 DANGEROUS DS
...The SSD have (C:) 124GB free and (D:) 241GB free and I did everthing you told me and cleanup the ssd and still

I would get a 500Gb M2 nvme, clone your C drive to it, remove the old first partition and extend the D drive to the entire disk.
DANGEROUS DS 2020 年 8 月 20 日 上午 4:38 
引用自 Talby
引用自 DANGEROUS DS
...The SSD have (C:) 124GB free and (D:) 241GB free and I did everthing you told me and cleanup the ssd and still

I would get a 500Gb M2 nvme, clone your C drive to it, remove the old first partition and extend the D drive to the entire disk.
okay can I also use the 500Gb M2 nvme and use some space from it to cache it to the WD ssd to help it speed? using a software that cache ram or soild drive to make the other slow driver faster using the fastest NVMe (one of them that I know is PrimoCache)
最後修改者:DANGEROUS DS; 2020 年 8 月 20 日 上午 4:39
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