Ram issues

[bladeshredder]

I have 3600 of cosiar vengeance ram and the x570 Aorus elite only shoves it too 21.33 on auto, I’ve set the multiplayer to 36.00 as that’s what my ram is capable of, at a DRAM voltage of 1.350V as that seems to keep it stable? While the X.M.P profile only sets it up too 3200 I’ve had no issues running the ram at that voltage and no BSOD so far I just want to run it at the designer speed of the ram

[bladeshredder]

However if I do only turn on the X.M.P profile I get multiple power cycles and only have had one BSOD yet in the manual on this board it clearly says it supports up too 3600 so why is it messing around?

[r.linder]

If XMP is 3200 MHz, then you have to disable XMP, raise DRAM voltage (and DRAM termination, must be half of your DRAM voltage at all times), increase multiplier, and you have to adjust the timings.

RAM overclocks are much more time consuming and involve much more testing. It can take days to find a stable overclock without using tools like 1usmus' DRAM calculator, but even then, you have to run a memory testing program for about a day to make sure the OC is actually stable.

It may not be worth your time if you aren't running multithreaded tasks that make good use of that speed, because games have virtually zero gain above 3200 MHz on Ryzen.

[Mad Scientist]

Just to be certain, do you have the exact model number of your RAM kit?

[bladeshredder]

引用自 Escorve：

If XMP is 3200 MHz, then you have to disable XMP, raise DRAM voltage (and DRAM termination, must be half of your DRAM voltage at all times), increase multiplier, and you have to adjust the timings.

RAM overclocks are much more time consuming and involve much more testing. It can take days to find a stable overclock without using tools like 1usmus' DRAM calculator, but even then, you have to run a memory testing program for about a day to make sure the OC is actually stable.

I changed the dram too 1.35v and the multiplier to 3600 its running at the speed now everything else I left on auto

[r.linder]

引用自 bladeshredder：

引用自 Escorve：

If XMP is 3200 MHz, then you have to disable XMP, raise DRAM voltage (and DRAM termination, must be half of your DRAM voltage at all times), increase multiplier, and you have to adjust the timings.

RAM overclocks are much more time consuming and involve much more testing. It can take days to find a stable overclock without using tools like 1usmus' DRAM calculator, but even then, you have to run a memory testing program for about a day to make sure the OC is actually stable.

I changed the dram too 1.35v and the multiplier to 3600 its running at the speed now everything else I left on auto

That won't work. You have to set your timings and sub timings or it won't be stable.
Timings are also half of the equation; 3600 cl18 is no better than 3200 cl16 in games.

This is why you're getting issues, you're not configuring your RAM, and if XMP defaults to 3200 MHz, you're not using enough voltage either.

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-dram-calculator/

If you're not doing any sort of demanding work, you have zilch to gain from it either. Nothing. There is no benefit for gamers to go above 3200 MHz beyond an extra ~1%, and in many games there's absolutely no benefit at all.

[bladeshredder]

引用自 Escorve：

引用自 bladeshredder：

I changed the dram too 1.35v and the multiplier to 3600 its running at the speed now everything else I left on auto

That won't work. You have to set your timings and sub timings or it won't be stable.
Timings are also half of the equation; 3600 cl18 is no better than 3200 cl16 in games.

This is why you're getting issues, you're not configuring your RAM, and if XMP defaults to 3200 MHz, you're not using enough voltage either.

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-dram-calculator/

If you're not doing any sort of demanding work, you have zilch to gain from it either. Nothing. There is no benefit for gamers to go above 3200 MHz beyond an extra ~1%, and in many games there's absolutely no benefit at all.

I’ve never done sub timings so I don’t have a clue what to do on that part, or should I just leave it on auto and let it run at its default 2133 no XMP at all tho I’ve got 3600mhz ram sticks?

[r.linder]

引用自 bladeshredder：

引用自 Escorve：

That won't work. You have to set your timings and sub timings or it won't be stable.
Timings are also half of the equation; 3600 cl18 is no better than 3200 cl16 in games.

This is why you're getting issues, you're not configuring your RAM, and if XMP defaults to 3200 MHz, you're not using enough voltage either.

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-dram-calculator/

If you're not doing any sort of demanding work, you have zilch to gain from it either. Nothing. There is no benefit for gamers to go above 3200 MHz beyond an extra ~1%, and in many games there's absolutely no benefit at all.

I’ve never done sub timings so I don’t have a clue what to do on that part, or should I just leave it on auto and let it run at its default 2133 no XMP at all tho I’ve got 3600mhz ram sticks?

You just enable XMP and it does all of the work for you, but since you said that XMP sets it to 3200, it's not a 3600 MHz RAM kit, it's a 3200 MHz RAM kit.

Just turn on XMP and leave it that if you don't know how to get it running at 3600 properly, because it takes a lot of tweaking and testing, a lot of work for basically no return in most cases. You might see 1, maybe 2 more FPS in games, but if the timings are bad enough, it could also be lower FPS.

[bladeshredder]

引用自 Escorve：

引用自 bladeshredder：

I’ve never done sub timings so I don’t have a clue what to do on that part, or should I just leave it on auto and let it run at its default 2133 no XMP at all tho I’ve got 3600mhz ram sticks?

You just enable XMP and it does all of the work for you, but since you said that XMP sets it to 3200, it's not a 3600 MHz RAM kit, it's a 3200 MHz RAM kit.

Just turn on XMP and leave it that if you don't know how to get it running at 3600 properly, because it takes a lot of tweaking and testing, a lot of work for basically no return in most cases. You might see 1, maybe 2 more FPS in games, but if the timings are bad enough, it could also be lower FPS.

It’s odd tho my ram I currently got its default speed is 3600 but if I set the XMP profile to enabled it only goes up too 2400, the only way I’ve figured out how to use the actual rams 3600oc is to do it manually, like the x470 I had to enable the XMP profile to reach up too 3600 but the x570 only allows it to go up too 3200 with XMP profile on anything above that I’d have to manually do it and set its voltage to 1.35V and the multiplier to 3600 even tho XMP is an overclock anyway

[r.linder]

引用自 bladeshredder：

引用自 Escorve：

You just enable XMP and it does all of the work for you, but since you said that XMP sets it to 3200, it's not a 3600 MHz RAM kit, it's a 3200 MHz RAM kit.

Just turn on XMP and leave it that if you don't know how to get it running at 3600 properly, because it takes a lot of tweaking and testing, a lot of work for basically no return in most cases. You might see 1, maybe 2 more FPS in games, but if the timings are bad enough, it could also be lower FPS.

It’s odd tho my ram I currently got its default speed is 3600 but if I set the XMP profile to enabled it only goes up too 2400, the only way I’ve figured out how to use the actual rams 3600oc is to do it manually, like the x470 I had to enable the XMP profile to reach up too 3600 but the x570 only allows it to go up too 3200 with XMP profile on anything above that I’d have to manually do it and set its voltage to 1.35V and the multiplier to 3600 even tho XMP is an overclock anyway

What's the part number on the actual RAM stick. What you're claiming makes absolutely zero sense.

You said XMP was going to 3200, then 2400, and now 3200 again on a different board.

i.e. CMK16GX4M2B3200C16

[Mad Scientist]

引用自 Orion：

Just to be certain, do you have the exact model number of your RAM kit?

Would still be helpful if you provided the Model #, OP...

[bladeshredder]

引用自 Escorve：

引用自 bladeshredder：

It’s odd tho my ram I currently got its default speed is 3600 but if I set the XMP profile to enabled it only goes up too 2400, the only way I’ve figured out how to use the actual rams 3600oc is to do it manually, like the x470 I had to enable the XMP profile to reach up too 3600 but the x570 only allows it to go up too 3200 with XMP profile on anything above that I’d have to manually do it and set its voltage to 1.35V and the multiplier to 3600 even tho XMP is an overclock anyway

What's the part number on the actual RAM stick. What you're claiming makes absolutely zero sense.

You said XMP was going to 3200, then 2400, and now 3200 again on a different board

i.e. CMK16GX4M2B3200C16

Model number is : CMK16GX4M2B3200C16

[bladeshredder]

1. The ram sticks say: 3200 on them but when I ordered them they said speed was 3600

2. On the x470 gaming pro I only had to set the XMP profile to get it to run at 3600

On the x570 it says it can run up too 3600oc

2133mhz if everything is left at default

Only hits 2400mhz when XMP is enabled but won’t hit its advitised 3600 as that’s what I ordered

3. So I don’t know if it’s the ram or the Mobo this is frustrating 😹😹

[r.linder]

引用自 bladeshredder：

引用自 Escorve：

What's the part number on the actual RAM stick. What you're claiming makes absolutely zero sense.

You said XMP was going to 3200, then 2400, and now 3200 again on a different board

i.e. CMK16GX4M2B3200C16

Model number is : CMK16GX4M2B3200C16

Yeah, so it's 3200 MHz CL16 and not rated to run at 3600 MHz. You'll have to manually tweak the timings, subtimings, and raise voltage to get it to run above 3200.

[bladeshredder]

引用自 Escorve：

引用自 bladeshredder：

Model number is : CMK16GX4M2B3200C16

Yeah, so it's 3200 MHz CL16 and not rated to run at 3600 MHz. You'll have to manually tweak the timings, subtimings, and raise voltage to get it to run above 3200.

Ah I see now so how come the x470 gaming pro with only XMP enabled was able to put the same sticks up too 3600mhz but this one can only go to 3200mhz is there much difference?

[r.linder]

引用自 bladeshredder：

1. The ram sticks say: 3200 on them but when I ordered them they said speed was 3600

2. On the x470 gaming pro I only had to set the XMP profile to get it to run at 3600

On the x570 it says it can run up too 3600oc

2133mhz if everything is left at default

Only hits 2400mhz when XMP is enabled but won’t hit its advitised 3600 as that’s what I ordered

3. So I don’t know if it’s the ram or the Mobo this is frustrating 😹😹

1. If you can prove that you ordered the 3600 MHz sticks to the vendor you purchased them from, then you should be able to return them for the ones you actually ordered. Otherwise, you thought wrong and accidentally bought the 3200 MHz kit.

2. 2133 (or 2400 depending on the kit) is the default for DDR4 without XMP enabled, that's normal.
You couldn't have used XMP on your X470 to get 3600, because it would have defaulted to 3200 and wouldn't have worked if you just changed the DRAM frequency with XMP enabled.
If it's bugging out like that, chances are the motherboard isn't loading the correct XMP profile and thus isn't properly compatible with the kit.

3. This is why you should have listened when I told you to not bother buying a new motherboard when you didn't need to. You keep creating new problems for yourself because you refuse to listen and just go with the people that tell you that your odd ideas are great.