Why do you think people buy intel T processors?

[Θωμάς76]

I can't choose if I wait till November for zen3 to upgrade or upgrade now and get i7-10700T
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/199314/intel-core-i7-10700t-processor-16m-cache-up-to-4-50-ghz.html

I read that in a year AMD will go to 5nm so I don't think a b550 motherboard will have much value for future updates. Of course AMD has PCIe 4 while I will need an upgrade to get that if I choose intel.
I read zen2 AMD Ryzen 7 3700X reviews and people say they have a problem with temperatures.
I have posted a similar theme a month ago but I still can't figure out what to do.

[DoomSlayer]

I've had my 3800X for a good few months now. Overclocked it the day I got it, never had thermal isues even with the stock cooler + a high OC (4650MHz all-core).

It runs a little warm when idle, but when gaming or when the chip is under load, I have never seen my CPU hit over 70c for extended periods of time, even on the stock cooler with the fan maxed out.

I wouldn't pick up any intel CPUs until they switch to 7nm or lower. The 10th gen intel CPUs are rather power hungry from what I have heard, and would need a good cooler to cool them. While the Ryzen CPUs are often cheaper and perform better than the new intel CPUs.

Overall it depends on what you do, and what your budget is. You want to stream and record videos, or do tasks that required good multi-core performance? Go with a Ryzen chip, they often beat the new intel CPUs in multi threaded applications. If you just game, the intel CPU is better but you'll have to buy a good and expensive cooler for it.

[Θωμάς76]

Thanks for the response.
I don't have to buy an expensive cooler
https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=400-hy-cl11-v1

[HALO_run]

10th gen intel isn't any good, your better off with 9th gen, 10th is too hot

[vadim]

Originally posted by HALO_run:

10th gen intel isn't any good, your better off with 9th gen, 10th is too hot

"T" and "too hot" sounds funny.

[fun guy]

Originally posted by HALO_run:

10th gen intel isn't any good, your better off with 9th gen, 10th is too hot

Wasn't 10th gen actually cooler than 9th gen, or am I misremembering?

[Illusion of Progress]

I wouldn't count against the B550 in that it "won't have value" due to lack of future upgrades. Given how long CPUs last these days, by time you go to replace it, you'll be wanting something much (and not marginally) faster, so you'll often need to replace the motherboard anyway, as you typically get two generations or so of support (AMD gave more with AM4 but it depends on the chipset so it's often less, and AM4 is nearing the end now; with B550 you'll have two generations to choose from with Zen 2 now and Zen 3 soon).

I don't know a whole lot about the Core i7 10700T, but it seems to boost to between 4.38 GHz and 4.5 GHz, depending on the source. It costs ~$310 as opposed to ~$400 to $410 of the Core i7 10700K (for comparison, the "vanilla" Core i7 10700 boosts to 4.8 GHz and costs ~$335), so offhand it seems to be a better value than it's K counterpart, but it still seems a bit of an awkward CPU. Reason being, at least from a gaming perspective, typically you'd choose Intel over AMD for the small IPS advantage and eat the cost premium, but with the lower clock speeds of this T model, the IPS difference between it and the AMD equivalents likely shrinks even more (and it's already rather small to be honest as it is). I haven't seen any benchmarks that often include anything but the K variants.

Unless you have a workflow that you already know vastly benefits on Intel CPUs, in which case they definitely make sense, then I typically wouldn't bother with them unless you're going for the K variants or above. Else, an AMD equivalent will give you too close to the same thing for much less cost.

Needless to say, pricing may be different where you are, which will obviously totally change how "worth" some things are relative to others.

[hawkeye]

No point doing anything now with new hardware (zen3 and nvidia ampere) due in 2 months.

Plus rumour is that intel has an announcement on Sep 2. A few 11th gen intel benchmarks have been spotted plus rumours of a new mobo generation with extra pcie lanes. But unlikely to be released this year. Intel announcements have been underwhelming in the past. Nonetheless it's worth waiting to see what zen3, ampere and intel are doing late September.

Gpus are still likely to bottleneck cpus at the top end.

T series are low power which means less heat, less performance, targeted at smaller pc's.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Intel should use a P instead of a T.
P for Potato

[Guydodge]

get what ever you like.hitting 5ghz or around there is more than enough for any processor.
the future of gaming right now is in GPU more so than CPU 9900k and the 10700k are basically the same thing. 8 core w/16 threads are advisable to future proof just in case

[Bad 💀 Motha]

I would just look at Ryzen instead...

B550 board with decent VRM

Ryzen 3700X or better cpu

Better after market cooling

2x 8gb ddr4 3200, minimum

Gold certified modular psu, 650w minimum

[RazorLog]

hi

[Jamebonds1]

Originally posted by HALO_run:

10th gen intel isn't any good, your better off with 9th gen, 10th is too hot

How do you know?

[Illusion of Progress]

Originally posted by Jamebonds1:

Originally posted by HALO_run:

10th gen intel isn't any good, your better off with 9th gen, 10th is too hot

How do you know?

Higher end, high core count CPUs from both Intel's 9th and 10th generation will run relatively warm when pushed. Now I'm not sure if one is slightly cooler than the other, but it doesn't really matter as both will behave this way.

Price-wise though (at least in the US), there's little reason to buy a 9th generation CPU over a 10th generation CPU unless you're getting it at a far reduced price or your motherboard is limiting your options. For example, the Core i7 10700K is typically a slightly cheaper and better Core i9 9900K (this actually seems to have come down slightly in price, probably because of the 10700K), the Core i5 10600K is a better Core i7 8700K, etc.

[Jamebonds1]

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

Originally posted by Jamebonds1:

How do you know?

Higher end, high core count CPUs from both Intel's 9th and 10th generation will run relatively warm when pushed. Now I'm not sure if one is slightly cooler than the other, but it doesn't really matter as both will behave this way.

Price-wise though (at least in the US), there's little reason to buy a 9th generation CPU over a 10th generation CPU unless you're getting it at a far reduced price or your motherboard is limiting your options. For example, the Core i7 10700K is typically a slightly cheaper and better Core i9 9900K (this actually seems to have come down slightly in price, probably because of the 10700K), the Core i5 10600K is a better Core i7 8700K, etc.

I asked and wait for Halo's answers, but i agreed. There is no way 10th Intel is too hot because of soldiered thermal.

[Autumn_]

Originally posted by Jamebonds1:

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

Higher end, high core count CPUs from both Intel's 9th and 10th generation will run relatively warm when pushed. Now I'm not sure if one is slightly cooler than the other, but it doesn't really matter as both will behave this way.

Price-wise though (at least in the US), there's little reason to buy a 9th generation CPU over a 10th generation CPU unless you're getting it at a far reduced price or your motherboard is limiting your options. For example, the Core i7 10700K is typically a slightly cheaper and better Core i9 9900K (this actually seems to have come down slightly in price, probably because of the 10700K), the Core i5 10600K is a better Core i7 8700K, etc.

I asked and wait for Halo's answers, but i agreed. There is no way 10th Intel is too hot because of soldiered thermal.

Soldering will only do so much, if the CPU draws an unholy amount of power it will still be hot.
10th gen draws more power than 9th gen, but does have slight die change (sanded/lower die height) so it tranfers heat better.
That's marginal improvement though couple hundred watts of heat is still a couple hundred watts of heat.