Which of these keyboards?

[J Charcole]

G512 (tactile) or tecware spectre pro? disregard the wheel knob

[r.linder]

If that's Romer-G on the g512, I don't recommend it. Romer-G feels awful.

[Pocahawtness]

Do not get Romer-G. I had several of those and the keys fell apart. After a year I turned the keyboard upside down and half the keys fell off. They are too fragile. Logitech know of this problem but just deny it. I would definitely buy a Cherry keyboad. FNATIC miniStreak for example. You can get them with Cherry RED switches and Cherry RED SILENT. The RED are sensitive like the Romer-G but a little noisy. The RED SILENT are very quiet, even quieter than the Romer-G but they are a little heavier than the RED, you quickly get used to that though.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by meh:

I could say the same about Cherry. I've had a K70 RMA'd three times for chattering switches, and I'm still left with a K70 with chattering switches (gave up). The g413 that I picked up on Amazon very cheap (sale) has out lasted every K70 I've had.

Comparing the switches side by side the Cherry Browns feel looser (probably better for gaming), but the g413 that I'm on now feels and works great.

Maybe it's just bad batches, because some people swear by the k70.

I have 3 different models of the K70 and none of them have failed on me yet.

[Pocahawtness]

Originally posted by Escorve:

Originally posted by meh:

I could say the same about Cherry. I've had a K70 RMA'd three times for chattering switches, and I'm still left with a K70 with chattering switches (gave up). The g413 that I picked up on Amazon very cheap (sale) has out lasted every K70 I've had.

Comparing the switches side by side the Cherry Browns feel looser (probably better for gaming), but the g413 that I'm on now feels and works great.

Maybe it's just bad batches, because some people swear by the k70.

I have 3 different models of the K70 and none of them have failed on me yet.

Me too. I have had two Corsairs and they are fine after many years of use. I had two G512's and both literally fell to pieces after a year. I have a FNATIC right now and it's lasted over a year with no issues at all. Cherry keys are MUCH better than ROMER-G.

Cherry RED are noisy though. That may not bother you but I must confess I prefer the RED SILENT.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by meh:

The tactile switches are closer to browns. What switches were you using? I use browns, and cherry browns plain suck after a few months.

I had a higher end keyboard from Logitech (can't remember exact model) with Romer-G tactiles, and I dislike them more than cheap chinese clones. Romer-G is hands-down my least favorite switch series.

[Autumn_]

Get neither, they're both bad.

Originally posted by meh:

I could say the same about Cherry. I've had a K70 RMA'd three times for chattering switches, and I'm still left with a K70 with chattering switches (gave up). The g413 that I picked up on Amazon very cheap (sale) has out lasted every K70 I've had.

Comparing the switches side by side the Cherry Browns feel looser (probably better for gaming), but the g413 that I'm on now feels and works great.

Maybe it's just bad batches, because some people swear by the k70.

I know a guy, countless firmware issues on his K70, had 3 new boards from them, all the same issue, among the build quality being questionable (to my eyes.)
The guy has to not use iCue, otherwise he can't use the keyboard. Since it presses half the keys on the keyboard. But if he leaves it for a while unplugged, and plugs it back in without iCue installed, works fine.

Plus they use Cherry switches, yuck.

I guess it's all luck of the draw. Some people get great, some people get good, some get trash.
I was like that with my monitor, never had a Dell screen be bad, I was aware of the colour banding issues, but apparently they were fixed, and I buy one, and boom, it's one of the first few revisions of the monitor (banding.)
But I have 5 or 6 Dell monitors, including the bigger version of the one I have, and they are litterally flawless.

Sometimes you get delt a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ hand.

Originally posted by ｢C❤️A｣ Pocahawtness:

Originally posted by Escorve:

I have 3 different models of the K70 and none of them have failed on me yet.

Me too. I have had two Corsairs and they are fine after many years of use. I had two G512's and both literally fell to pieces after a year. I have a FNATIC right now and it's lasted over a year with no issues at all. Cherry keys are MUCH better than ROMER-G.

Cherry RED are noisy though. That may not bother you but I must confess I prefer the RED SILENT.

I know a guy with the G512, and he's had it for years, no issues on his end, infact the only way he damaged it, was when he was removing a keycap, and accidentally put what he was using to take the keycap off under the switch, and used a bunch of force, and it only slightly damaged the switch housing.

And aren't 'slient reds' just reds with o-rings?

[Scryllix]

tecware spectre pro
Any day

[J Charcole]

Originally posted by Scryllix:

tecware spectre pro
Any day

just notice it has outemu switches but the tecware phantom elite 87/104 keys has gaterons and kailh switches so i'll pick this one with gaterons brown over the outemo

[Pocahawtness]

Originally posted by Autumn_:

Get neither, they're both bad.

Originally posted by meh:

I could say the same about Cherry. I've had a K70 RMA'd three times for chattering switches, and I'm still left with a K70 with chattering switches (gave up). The g413 that I picked up on Amazon very cheap (sale) has out lasted every K70 I've had.

Comparing the switches side by side the Cherry Browns feel looser (probably better for gaming), but the g413 that I'm on now feels and works great.

Maybe it's just bad batches, because some people swear by the k70.

I know a guy, countless firmware issues on his K70, had 3 new boards from them, all the same issue, among the build quality being questionable (to my eyes.)
The guy has to not use iCue, otherwise he can't use the keyboard. Since it presses half the keys on the keyboard. But if he leaves it for a while unplugged, and plugs it back in without iCue installed, works fine.

Plus they use Cherry switches, yuck.

I guess it's all luck of the draw. Some people get great, some people get good, some get trash.
I was like that with my monitor, never had a Dell screen be bad, I was aware of the colour banding issues, but apparently they were fixed, and I buy one, and boom, it's one of the first few revisions of the monitor (banding.)
But I have 5 or 6 Dell monitors, including the bigger version of the one I have, and they are litterally flawless.

Sometimes you get delt a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ hand.

Originally posted by ｢C❤️A｣ Pocahawtness:

Me too. I have had two Corsairs and they are fine after many years of use. I had two G512's and both literally fell to pieces after a year. I have a FNATIC right now and it's lasted over a year with no issues at all. Cherry keys are MUCH better than ROMER-G.

Cherry RED are noisy though. That may not bother you but I must confess I prefer the RED SILENT.

I know a guy with the G512, and he's had it for years, no issues on his end, infact the only way he damaged it, was when he was removing a keycap, and accidentally put what he was using to take the keycap off under the switch, and used a bunch of force, and it only slightly damaged the switch housing.

Well, as I said I had two Romer-G keyboards and they both failed with the same problem. If you go on the Logitech forum you find other people complaining about the same thing. The Romer-G are fragile. Probably fine if you are gentle on the keys but what if you aren't?

There are proper Silent Reds as supplied by Cherry. Just go to the Cherry site and look for them. I don't think Corsair use them but others do - like Fnatic.

I agree about iCEU though. Corsair make wonderful hardware but their software is absolutely horrible and iCEU is a perfect example. I have literally thrown Corsair hardware away so I can stop using their software. They have a terrible track record of releasing software with bugs.