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Отредактировано calluM; 5 июн. 2023 г. в 6:59
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just heads up... had 2 of those nvme's in my pc, and thought the rx5500 was slow for games... one nvme went bad, and turned out, i think it was stealing my pcie bandwidth so much that it made me get half FPS in my games wiht my video card i found out. i think thats why. cus when my ssd went bad , my games were faster with it gone. just saying. found that out. im sticking to the sata drives i guess.
Автор сообщения: Snakub Plissken
The other issue is once we started rolling multi-core CPU's computing power available to the user exploded, you can see that here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_second But user demand for power didn't increase at the same rate. And what I mean is:

Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9770, 59,455 MIPS at 3.2 GHz
Intel Core i9-9900K, 412,090 MIPS at 4.7 GHz

It's a nearly seven times increase in instructions per second. But web browsers, Windows, most office and general purpose computing apps are demanding seven times more power. That's pretty much the case across the board when it comes to general computing. You have to get into pretty specific use cases where the power demands have kept pace with the hardware.
This is true, although it's important to note with CPUs that there's a bit of an asterisk to this additional power.

A lot of the extra potential that is there in modern CPUs is increasingly being attributed to the extra cores and threads, as "traditional" advancements have greatly slowed, and extra cores isn't something that software benefits from "by default" like a higher frequency or other architectural changes, but only if it is written to take advantage of them. This is why my decade old Core i5 2500K was still getting by just fine until I moved from it. Besides the extras cores and threads of stuff newer (which itself didn't start occurring until recently), from most things I've seen, the fastest CPUs are only recently approaching reaching the point of being a mere two times faster (core for core) than that almost a decade old platform.

Additionally, like with most things, returns diminish the higher you go. Eventually just putting more and more cores will become less and less feasible (stuff that parallelizes linearly will almost always see worthwhile gains, but general software and games are not under this category).

By the way, I like your older example specifically because the Core 2, in my mind, for a long time (and honestly still does?) represents such a good baseline for what's good enough for base PC/OS performance a lot of the time. I still use one in an HTPC for basic web use and streaming and it's no different for that sort of use than something modern really. My laptop many generations newer (Haswell) has like half the IPS of a the higher end desktop Core 2 (largely due to the laptop CPU being clocked so low) and even something like that was and still is fine for basic use. So yeah it's definitely true that what we've needed hasn't grown with hardware.

But what the future holds is anyone's guess. Three to five decades on is a long time. Old rule applies here; use something until it's no longer feasible. Whether that's two years, five years, eight years, twelve years, or twenty-five years, if it works then it works, but attempting to make it last some predetermined amount of time is rather meaningless.
Отредактировано Illusion of Progress; 26 сен. 2021 г. в 19:31
My Samsung 960 Pro 512GB from 2017 is starting to give errors in Event Viewer, and I am getting freezing / BSOD / Failure to boot (it is the windows os drive, plus a few select applications on it) - I suspect the ssd is about to fail, but there are no SMART errors, chkdsk found nothing. I luckily managed to update the firmware and drivers.

I am not 100% sure it is the ssd, but considering the logs - it seems likely.

Warranty according to Samsung is "MZ-V6P512 (512 GB) 5 Years or 400 TBW" - pretty sure it wouldn't have anywhere near 400 TBW (probably has under 10 TBW). It also has a heat spreader, is in a <50% RH room, is rarely actually written to (apart from whatever windows does to it)
[edit] It has 854.8GB Total Bytes Written during it's life

The IO operation at logical block address 0xc414cd8 for Disk 4 (PDO name: \Device\00000042) failed due to a hardware error. The IO operation at logical block address 0x640800 for Disk 4 (PDO name: \Device\00000042) failed due to a hardware error. The IO operation at logical block address 0x22 for Disk 4 (PDO name: \Device\00000042) failed due to a hardware error. The IO operation at logical block address 0x0 for Disk 4 (PDO name: \Device\00000042) failed due to a hardware error. The IO operation at logical block address 0x0 for Disk 4 (PDO name: \Device\00000042) failed due to a hardware error. The IO operation at logical block address 0x0 for Disk 4 (PDO name: \Device\00000042) failed due to a hardware error.
Отредактировано [N]ebsun; 26 сен. 2021 г. в 20:10
Автор сообщения: Nebsun
My Samsung 960 Pro 512GB from 2017 is starting to give errors in Event Viewer, and I am getting freezing / BSOD / Failure to boot (it is the windows os drive, plus a few select applications on it) - I suspect the ssd is about to fail, but there are no SMART errors, chkdsk found nothing. I luckily managed to update the firmware and drivers.

I am not 100% sure it is the ssd, but considering the logs - it seems likely.

Warranty according to Samsung is "MZ-V6P512 (512 GB) 5 Years or 400 TBW" - pretty sure it wouldn't have anywhere near 400 TBW (probably has under 10 TBW). It also has a heat spreader, is in a <50% RH room, is rarely actually written to (apart from whatever windows does to it)
[edit] It has 854.8GB Total Bytes Written during it's life

Doesn't sound like that drive gets used that hard, but the benchmarks I've seen often show NVMe heat spreaders really don't do anything or can actually be worse than having the bare naked drive. You mostly have to write tons of big files on them though to test that kind of stuff, so it's probably not relevant to you.
It's possible it is failing, but with that total amount written it's unlikely to be due to the nature of flash cells having limited write life (unless the drive is nearly full all of the writes are occurring to a far smaller pool of cells, but do drives employ a method to move around data to work around this or would that be counterproductive?).
Отредактировано Illusion of Progress; 26 сен. 2021 г. в 20:29
id contact their customer support. Its not even close to 1% of its tbw. they might have some insight. Maybe the trim command isnt running and marking worn out sectors?

You definetly should see about monitoring the temperature As Illusion of progress mentioned. maybe a fan isnt pushing air like it should?
Always try a 2nd NVME slot if available in the system, Its not just the drive that can fail ^_x
also , temperatures for most NVME drives are less of an issue for the nand cells , they actually prefer hotter operating temperatures. (if not bonkers high ofc.)
Never had a problem with NVMe temps. Even while under heavy usage it reaches about 40c max. It is using the heatsink that came with my motherboard mind you.
I guess I am trying to figure out if I can still play tf2 csgo dota 2 sc2 and a bunch of other games released 10 years ago in 30 years time is what I'm saying.

I feel like some of these still widely played games today will retain a large enough playerbase well into 50 years to still be able to get into a game and while there will be improvements and changes most definitely I feel that a computer built today with decent specs will still be able to run it 50 years from now.. the question is will the hardware survive.

Cool experiment or idea maybe.
Online games are even more likely to fade into obscurity after such a long time.

As Snakub Plissken mentioned, if you just want to do something as it is, if you have that right software and hardware combination, you are just set. It is just there. It might not "last" as a primary, functional PC if you need it to remain updated and connected to modern services or the web, but it will still work just fine as a snapshot of that time on it's own as long as the hardware lives.

But this is out the window for online games once you start talking decades. Yes, some popular games have retained active commingles for years, but we haven't yet reached a point to say whether they will stand the test of three to five decades (and even if outliers do, expecting it of the whole is entirely different).

Beyond the fact of the community staying active is that these will still need to connect to modern services and receive updates. World of Warcraft in 2021 needs more than it did in the early 2000s. In the case of something like Steam and games that use it, as those you've listed, look at the hardware requirements of some games from the earlier years of Steam (think original Half Life and the like). A system that ran it back then probably won't (natively and as well anyway) today. Why? In effect, the real minimum requirements can't be any lower than what Steam itself also needs, which is likely to grow with time.

Will a PC from today work in 50 years? Yeah (presuming no hardware failure). Will it handle the needs of those times? Way too far off to guess. If we were continue current trajectory I'd actually say a top of the line (and loaded with RAM) PC might work fine for basic use by then (but possibly lagging on media heavy stuff if the web gets more demanding due to a low powered CPU), but not for games. And, that is only looking at hardware capability and ignoring things of today will have long lost support and not meet standards of tomorrow. And, again, this also assumes current trajectory, which is somewhat slowed this last decade. A potential breakthrough in the next 50 years changes this all.
Отредактировано Illusion of Progress; 27 сен. 2021 г. в 22:45
I guess I'm expecting my taste to stay in this current era and not play anything new in the new decades to come which is pretty silly to think about and impose on myself because there will definitely be gems that will attract new in every generation or every few couple of years.

Like just this year I got hooked on tribes of midgard not high in requirements but definitely needs something made in the past decade.

And just now a game called Sable has caught my eye as something I might try once it goes in a bundle or sale.

World of Warcraft is a good example.

A top end pc built in 2004 when the game first came out would maybe struggle to even play the current game now in 2021 using the same specs it might just run but barely.
Автор сообщения: Joke
The specifications on Samsungs site says the warranty is:
MZ-V7E500BW (500 GB)
5 Years or 300 TBW

"300 TBW" means you should be able to write 300TB before any problems might happen.

https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/product/consumer/970evo/


For reference I have been running this PC for around 6 months, and about 1.3 TB has been written to it.

Damn; is my PC doing something wrong then?

I've had my NVME for 18 months and Samsung Magician says I've written 14TB already.

But I don't download much...
No, there's nothing wrong with it. 14 TB over a year and a half is on the low side, but there is no "right" or "wrong" value so it doesn't matter. It depends on your uses, as different uses will just write to the drive more or less.
In my (very limited) experience, the chip onboard that transfers data is much more likely to fail before anything else.
Отредактировано Pocahawtness; 29 мая. 2023 г. в 22:50
Автор сообщения: calluM
What's the lifespan of an nVME SSD, specifically a 970 Evo 500GB? Can't find the answer online. Ive bought this to house the operating system, steam and a few games.

ssd life span is more about crib death and amount written than it is about time.

you are likely looking at about 1 petabyte before problems will arise, but I would consider an upgrade/mirror the ssd to something new at the 500tb mark.
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