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[calluM]

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[Omega]

Highly depends on how you use it.

Just assume it to outlive the average HDD by at least a decade.

[Joke]

The specifications on Samsungs site says the warranty is:
MZ-V7E500BW (500 GB)
5 Years or 300 TBW

"300 TBW" means you should be able to write 300TB before any problems might happen.

https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/product/consumer/970evo/


For reference I have been running this PC for around 6 months, and about 1.3 TB has been written to it.

[tacoshy]

Originally posted by Brockenstein:

https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/product/consumer/970evo/ 1.5 million hours MTBF, and the warranty for the 500GB is 5 Years or 300 TBW. And if you've written anywhere close to 300TB to all the writable media across all the devices you've ever touched that would be quite something.

Depends on what you do. If you do professional stuff espcially animation rendering it is quite easy to do in elss then a year. A reason to go for the Pro Edition.

Originally posted by Brockenstein:

And the reality is 300TB is quite conservative, you will probably be able to write PB's to it (as if you ever will though).

not that conservative. Actually not even close to a PB. maybe get a half PB depending on the silicon lottery but not more.

Originally posted by Brockenstein:

A larger drive will likely have much more write endurance, as well newer flash memory is much more durable compared to those drives from yesteryear. And NVMe drives aren't more fragile than SATA drives or anything like that either.

The TBW is always the same for Samsung 970 and Samung 860. 600 times the capacity. So a 500GB SSD has a TBW of 300TB, a 1TB SSD a TBW of 600TB, and my 4TB Samsugn 860 a TBW of 2.4PB.

The ratio is the same and the TBW directly depening therefor on the capacity.

Originally posted by Brockenstein:

In short I would't worry about it. You're probably going to have the snap the thing in half when you decide it's not worth keeping around and want to junk it, because it still works fine. You're also free to use the NVMe however you want. It's just storage, you don't need to baby it or anything.

totally agree - however you have to check as NVMe usually disables 2 sata ports.

[calluM]

Thanks for the answers. Its going to be my boot drive with windows and a few of my favourite games on and applications I use most such as discord, steam etc. And they should never need to be reinstalled so hopefully it'll never come close to the 300TB you mentioned. All of my other games, photos etc. are going to be on a second 1tb 860 evo

[calluM]

Originally posted by Brockenstein:

Originally posted by calluM:

Thanks for the answers. Its going to be my boot drive with windows and a few of my favourite games on and applications I use most such as discord, steam etc. And they should never need to be reinstalled so hopefully it'll never come close to the 300TB you mentioned. All of my other games, photos etc. are going to be on a second 1tb 860 evo

Well for perspective, even if the 300TBW is a hard limit of some sort, you could write ~100GB a day, every day, for over 8 years.

And the reality is you will almost certainly write much less typically. People tend to vastly overestimate how much data they're writing.

Once I've got all my games downloaded on it, the only writing that SSD is gonna see from me is from Windows, games and app updates. Once I've got my main apps installed literally everything else is going on the second SSD. Ive read countless times about SSDs slowing when they get close to full capacity so I'm going to try to keep this SSD below 250gb usage for atleast a year or so.

[tacoshy]

Originally posted by Brockenstein:

Originally posted by tacoshy:

not that conservative. Actually not even close to a PB. maybe get a half PB depending on the silicon lottery but not more.

Well the author of the techreport article must have been rolling 20's when he picked all those drives, because even the drives that failed early blew paste that 500TB mark you imagine for the 970 evo.

he sued the pro drives ... not evo, youc an even clearly see it as it ahs a red not a white square on the front. the pro drievs are for high TBW which is the main difference between Pro and Evo.

[Ad Hominem]

What about heat on these drives? I have one coming in the mail this week, and my MSI mobo has a m.2 heat sink/shield. I've seen it called both.

My understanding is that the hard drive controller likes to be a bit warmer, and the memory modules themselves like to be cooler (or maybe its the other way around) and ive seen suggestions to cut the thermal pad away from the controller (or the modules, again i forget which way it was) so that you don't take heat away from the parts that like it.

The GN video testing the heat plate showed that it creates more of an insulator and dead zone for air flow that actually makes the memory run hotter than without.

I'm kinda considering not using the heat plate at all too, since I have 4 120mm side panel fans among the rest of my army of case fans so I hope heat won't be an issue.

[Ad Hominem]

Originally posted by Brockenstein:

Originally posted by Ad Hominem:

What about heat on these drives? I have one coming in the mail this week, and my MSI mobo has a m.2 heat sink/shield. I've seen it called both.

My understanding is that the hard drive controller likes to be a bit warmer, and the memory modules themselves like to be cooler (or maybe its the other way around) and ive seen suggestions to cut the thermal pad away from the controller (or the modules, again i forget which way it was) so that you don't take heat away from the parts that like it.

The GN video testing the heat plate showed that it creates more of an insulator and dead zone for air flow that actually makes the memory run hotter than without.

I'm kinda considering not using the heat plate at all too, since I have 4 120mm side panel fans among the rest of my army of case fans so I hope heat won't be an issue.

In my opinion it's a micro-optimization that people can work themselves up over. Like the people who convince themselves they need to replace the pre-applied thermal paste on a stock heatsink. People can convince themselves the most inane things are super important if they want.

I've been running a 970 evo since May without a heatsink. It's certainly the most optional thing I can think of and definitely not worth worrying over. So my take is use a heatsink if you want, try to optimize it if you want, or don't use it at all, either way you'll probably be fine.

OK thanks, I'm sorry to OP, I don't mean to hijack your discussion so I'll leave it here.

I think I'll just go without the plate, as there is barely any surface area and it makes for a poor heat sink. It's easy to get worked up over the little things when you are getting into something new.

[Revelene]

That moment when you realize the vast amounts of people that have been using 75TBW drives for years and still haven't used even half of the writes...

Just sayin'.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

It depends on how many read/write cycles it has. But in general, literally 5 years of stuff constantly running in the background (the system components being on 24/7) and defragging it regularly will definitely significantly shorten its life span.

[calluM]

Originally posted by The 128K Kitteh:

It depends on how many read/write cycles it has. But in general, literally 5 years of stuff constantly running in the background (the system components being on 24/7) and defragging it regularly will definitely significantly shorten its life span.

Also read that SSDs shouldn't be defragged, so I probably won't at all, or if they can only do it once every few months. Whenever I'm not at college or work I'm probably going to be on the pc, probably for 8-12 hours a day sometimes.

[tacoshy]

Originally posted by The 128K Kitteh:

It depends on how many read/write cycles it has. But in general, literally 5 years of stuff constantly running in the background (the system components being on 24/7) and defragging it regularly will definitely significantly shorten its life span.

Uhm what? that write consumes TBW is self explaining but how does reading shorten the lifespan or influence the TDP? you not consume blocks by reading from a SSD.
Running stuff in the background is natural on all OS aswell. How does running stuff in the background eats more TBW then usual? its not like you have to constantly write stuff on the SSD for that. Thats what you have the RAM for.
To really mass consume SSD space you have to acitvly do somethign really data demending as rendering on large scale.

and no you dont defrag a SSD. The advantage of defragging a SSD is a speed increase in nano seconds its an incease of about 3-5 ns (not ms - ns). As a SSD doesnt work like a HDD where you actually need to have the data block preferably on the outer layer of the disk and clsoe together, a SSD litterally doesnt care for. The seek times to find those blocks required is already really low in ns, even if the seek time would double you're still in ns.

[Omega]

Originally posted by calluM:

Originally posted by The 128K Kitteh:

It depends on how many read/write cycles it has. But in general, literally 5 years of stuff constantly running in the background (the system components being on 24/7) and defragging it regularly will definitely significantly shorten its life span.

Also read that SSDs shouldn't be defragged, so I probably won't at all, or if they can only do it once every few months. Whenever I'm not at college or work I'm probably going to be on the pc, probably for 8-12 hours a day sometimes.

On modern Windows machines you can't defrag an SSD (Unless you force it somehow), when running a defrag it will TRIM the drive instead.

[Ad Hominem]

Originally posted by calluM:

Originally posted by The 128K Kitteh:

It depends on how many read/write cycles it has. But in general, literally 5 years of stuff constantly running in the background (the system components being on 24/7) and defragging it regularly will definitely significantly shorten its life span.

Also read that SSDs shouldn't be defragged, so I probably won't at all, or if they can only do it once every few months. Whenever I'm not at college or work I'm probably going to be on the pc, probably for 8-12 hours a day sometimes.

Does windows know that SSD shouldn't be defragged, or do you need to disable it manually?

[Omega]

Originally posted by Ad Hominem:

Originally posted by calluM:

Also read that SSDs shouldn't be defragged, so I probably won't at all, or if they can only do it once every few months. Whenever I'm not at college or work I'm probably going to be on the pc, probably for 8-12 hours a day sometimes.

Does windows know that SSD shouldn't be defragged, or do you need to disable it manually?

Modern versions of Windows know it shouldn't defrag the drive and will instead TRIM it.