Vega VII Will Still Be A Viable Option For These People

[Narwhal]

So I've heard Vega VII is not compelling at $700 when an RTX 2080 is the same price but has Ray-Tracing. And I would agree except if it weren't for FreeSync.

I went to Amazon to look at prices for FreeSync and G-Sync 4K monitors.

Average price of a FreeSync monitor is no more than $400 US.
Average price of a G-Sync 4K monitor is no more than $800 US; double the price.

I've heard some say they're building a new PC once Vega VII launches, however are going with an RTX 2080. But why? Perhaps it's a minority and/or perhaps to a person that can afford a $700 graphics card it doesn't matter, but why not save that extra $400 and put it towards another part of the build? Benchmarks have not been posted by reviewers yet, however I hope AMD will deliver a GPU that can keep up with the RTX 2080, while being a value option for 4K with FreeSync.

[Autumn_]

Nvidia GPUs will be supporting FreeSync soon (depends on the monitor) so there really isn't a reason to pick the Vega 7.

[FeilDOW]

Nvidia announced Freesync support.

[Narwhal]

Ah well than ignore this post.

[TLD | Lost And Damned]

You forgot DLSS. In theory this is could/will be the game changer, "theoretically". Also don't forget the differences in power consumption. The last Vega cards really sucked at that and I don't think the Radeon will change. You can compare it with Chrome eating RAM... and about the Monitors. With Greesync (I know it sounds bad but you try to find a better name!) now that argument could be dead faster than you could imagine. Who knows if the Monitor manufacturers gonna try to be compatible for both. If they can manage that they won't need the Gsync modul and can sell one Model for both cards. Lastly I'm not to sure about this point anymore (don't know the situation) but drivers tended to better from Team Green.

Originally posted by Yes, I Vape.:

Ah well than ignore this post.

Nah, it's good to question that. Only because as I mentioned afterwards these things will come doesn't mean they will be as good as we hope in the first place. Have you seen the Freesync ones that are not supported? Yikes

[SHREDDER]

It is faster than RTX 2080 at a lower price but sincei t dont support ray traincg this means that in games who support ray tracing it will have worse lighting and shadows than all rtx cards(even rtx 2060). So why buy this instead of RTX 2070 or better? I have RYZEN 1700 GTX 970 1440P 60 hz ips monitor dellp2416d 24'' 2560x1440 60 hz ips and if iwas going to buy a graphics card now i would had bought RTX 2080TI not anything lower than it. But id ecided to wait a few months for RTX 3080TI release date. If Radeon vii supported ray tracing then evryone would had bought that instead of rtx 2080 ti or 2080 but without ray tracing no one is going to buy it.

[r.linder]

Vega VII will basically just an option for people who hate NVidia, because there's no reason to go with AMD beyond a RX 580, which will be inevitably overridden by the 2060 for mid-range builds until AMD releases their competition to the 2060 and leaked 1160.

NVidia will pretty much always win above mid-range and budget cards unless they ♥♥♥♥ up really badly or AMD cards get their own equivalent to technologies currently unique to RTX.

[Autumn_]

Originally posted by SHREDDER:

It is faster than RTX 2080 at a lower price but sincei t dont support ray traincg this means that in games who support ray tracing it will have worse lighting and shadows than all rtx cards(even rtx 2060). So why buy this instead of RTX 2070 or better? I have RYZEN 1700 GTX 970 1440P 60 hz ips monitor dellp2416d 24'' 2560x1440 60 hz ips and if iwas going to buy a graphics card now i would had bought RTX 2080TI not anything lower than it. But id ecided to wait a few months for RTX 3080TI release date. If Radeon vii supported ray tracing then evryone would had bought that instead of rtx 2080 ti or 2080 but without ray tracing no one is going to buy it.

Why would they have released a card with raytracing?

For one they don't even have the tech.
Two, if it had ray tracing, it wouldn't be at the same price as 2080, it would be more expensive.

And the Vega 7 is a little expensive as it is, 100 dollars cheaper, and it would ''dominate'' that part of the market.

[TLD | Lost And Damned]

Originally posted by SHREDDER:

It is faster than RTX 2080.

That's a far fetched assumption because I don't believe corporate talk until I can see reliable sources. Doesn't matter who it is, Nvidia or AMD. Also knowing that the Vega cards sucked at overclocking it wouldn't surprise me if they can't reach proper performance to actually compete. If you look it up pretty much all RTX Cards are massiv powerhouses when it comes to overclocks. My 2080 FTW3 from EVGA runs stable on +140 Core and +1200 Memory. That's a lot. Also in the games they showed perfomance I tested mine. Pretty much beated most of the games on the list (which of those of I have) except the Vulcan games (figures). Also they said a lot about the Vega cards back then aswell which wasn't near to the truth aswell. As I said, don't trust any one of these two without enough reliable sources to provide such things.

[x_wing]

Many mention RT, but only one game supports it currently and without a 2080, you will get a very low performance (not to mention if you want to hit 144 fps perf).

I feel that the extra tech that Nvidias offers smells a lot like what the used to offer with physx... And we all know how that tech ended.

In the end everything will be about perf per dollar. If you have a lot of money and want the best performance in the market, simply go for a 2080Ti. But if you're in the tier of the 2080, it will all depend of how Vega VII performs vs 2080 in the games you like.

[Nabster]

Ray tracing and dlss are a disappointment to me, 4 months after the release date and there is only a few games that currently supports it. It takes forever to get support, by the time they support it, you have finished the game already.

[chiefputsilao✖️ping]

Originally posted by Nabster:

Ray tracing and dlss are a disappointment to me, 4 months after the release date and there is only a few games that currently supports it. It takes forever to get support, by the time they support it, you have finished the game already.

tax for early adapters...

[AbedsBrother]

Originally posted by Nabster:

Ray tracing and dlss are a disappointment to me, 4 months after the release date and there is only a few games that currently supports it. It takes forever to get support, by the time they support it, you have finished the game already.

It will take forever for more games to support DLSS and ray-tracing because consoles still dictate what games are graphically able to achieve. AMD makes the hardware for both Xbox and Playstation (Xbox boss Phil Spencer even guest-spoke at AMD's CES event). So while Nvidia was first to market with consumer ray-tracing gpus and AI-enhanced anti-aliasing, mainstream adoption won't happen until AMD and their console partners are ready for it to happen.

This is speculative, but why do you think Jensen Huang was so salty about Radeon VII at CES[www.pcworld.com]? Because AMD made a gpu to rival the 2080 (unexpected), AMD was first to 7nm with a gpu (expected, but still annoying), and that gpu lacks the features that Nvidia spent hundreds of millions of $$$ to develop, but is still expected to hit its sales targets (implying that those features are not quite equal to the hype). Radeon was seen as dead by Nvidia - all of what was seen to be Radeon's top gpu talent had left for Intel (Jensen even joked about it). Then they come out with a card anyway that rivals all but Nvidia's top $1200 gpu simply because of die-shrink? (Radeon VII is still GCN-based Vega, with a lot of the same issues.) AMD doesn't have a lot of winning cards to play in the gpu race atm, but the cards they do play are played well.

As for ray-tracing vs. rasterization, I found this:
https://youtu.be/l0sT9JvStGY

Even with ♥♥♥♥♥♥ YouTube video quality, the differences are extremely minor at this point. Though it has existed conceptually for years, ray-tracing hasn't had anything near the resources devoted to its implementation that rasterization has. In a few years, the differences will probably be much more noticeable. For now, though, they are not. Not to my eyes, anyway.

[SHREDDER]

Jensen said that radeon 7 will fail becasue it dosent suport ray tracing and DLSS. That what he said that i believe. A s isaid those who want to upgrade now will buy either rtx 2080 or rtx 2080 ti.

[Autumn_]

Originally posted by SHREDDER:

Jensen said that radeon 7 will fail becasue it dosent suport ray tracing and DLSS. That what he said that i believe. A s isaid those who want to upgrade now will buy either rtx 2080 or rtx 2080 ti.

>one company said another companies product is bad???

Litterally retarded to say its good. Because then hes admiting his raytracing path is ♥♥♥♥. An there is no point in buying it.

But like I said. Vega 7 will still be on the bad end because its overpriced.
(By about 100 dollars)

[SHREDDER]

Originally posted by Autumn:

Originally posted by SHREDDER:

Jensen said that radeon 7 will fail becasue it dosent suport ray tracing and DLSS. That what he said that i believe. A s isaid those who want to upgrade now will buy either rtx 2080 or rtx 2080 ti.

>one company said another companies product is bad???

Litterally retarded to say its good. Because then hes admiting his raytracing path is ♥♥♥♥. An there is no point in buying it.

But like I said. Vega 7 will still be on the bad end because its overpriced.
(By about 100 dollars)

But bigger problem with rtx 2000 is as i said that since not even rtx 2080ti cant runs max settings 1440p with ray tracing it is useless for me that i have 1440p monitor(DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS). Why go and spent 1200+ for that and then i will be still unable to run run ray tracing unless i pur settings to medium or high(something that it is crazy to do on such expensive grapihca card)? Because of that i will wait for next series that must come soon. But if my gtx 970 burns before rtx 3000 release then in that case i will be forced to buy rtx 2080 ti but i hope that it can last until then! Rest of system will remain as it is now(ryzen 7 1700 16 gb ddr4 3200mhzcl15 fs kill rip jaws asus prime x370 pro wd black 4 tb, 1 tb .