Worth it to upgrade from 7700k > 8700k?

[bRice153]

I am regretting building a PC with the 7700k since I feel 4 cores isn't enough anymore. I hear the 8700k is THE current best gaming CPU on the market. But the downside would be i'd need to also purchase a new motherboard as well as the $400 CPU.

Is the performance gains going from the 7700k to the 8700k with the $5-$600 cost for CPU+mobo?

[vadim]

I haven't made claims, so it's not my obligations to disprove your words. Anyway, I posted liks for you. Try to find both CPUs (i7-7700k and i7-8700k) and compare FPS in Witcher 3. What? 8700k has WORSE results? I'm afraid you're out of luck with the evidence.

[hawkeye]

Messaggio originale di vadim:

I haven't made claims, so it's not my obligations to disprove your words. Anyway, I posted liks for you. Try to find both CPUs (i7-7700k and i7-8700k) and compare FPS in Witcher 3. What? 8700k has WORSE results? I'm afraid you're out of luck with the evidence.

That's what in English is known as a formal logic reasoning error. Often explained as "One swallow does not a summer make".

[Malygos]

Messaggio originale di vadim:

I haven't made claims, so it's not my obligations to disprove your words. Anyway, I posted liks for you. Try to find both CPUs (i7-7700k and i7-8700k) and compare FPS in Witcher 3. What? 8700k has WORSE results? I'm afraid you're out of luck with the evidence.

You literally disproved nothing i said the other guy said the 20fps better business but the fact you are arguing with people who actually own the cpu makes this even funnier

Messaggio originale di vadim:

Messaggio originale di hawkeye:

The 7700k might do 100 fps where the 8700k might do 120 fps.

Can you give some links, please? To any printed reputable sources. I.e. NOT digital foundry.

Messaggio originale di jefedemuchanina:

but heavy open world games go ahead and expect 90-100% usage and frame drops

BS. Can you prove that? No? It's a pity... Just for your information: there is NO such thing as "frame drop" in video games. Even in theory.

[vadim]

Messaggio originale di hawkeye:

That's what in English is known as a formal logic reasoning error. Often explained as "One swallow does not a summer make".

But you do not even have one.

One more link for you. About above mentioned Tom Clancy's: https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/intel-core-i7-8700k-processor-review,20.html

Messaggio originale di jefedemuchanina:

but the fact you are arguing with people who actually own the cpu makes this even funnier

Read more, write less.

[Malygos]

Messaggio originale di vadim:

Messaggio originale di hawkeye:

That's what in English is known as a formal logic reasoning error. Often explained as "One swallow does not a summer make".

But you do not even have one.

Messaggio originale di jefedemuchanina:

but the fact you are arguing with people who actually own the cpu makes this even funnier

Read more, write less.

Lmao😂😂 i guess gonna ignore me showing you
1 you responded to the wrong person
2 still have 0 clue what you’re talking about

As usual thanks for the arm chair expertise lemme know when you got the video/videos ready

[vadim]

Jefede, do you understand that you write gibberish?
You named several games which, in your opinion, need more powerful CPU than j7-7700k, but you were unable to give any single link to prove your words. Why? Because it's impossible. You named GTA V, but thus game cannot use more than 4 cores. You named Dying Light, but this game doesn't need powerful CPU at all - it completely GPU-bound: https://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/dying-light-bad-blood-test-gpu-cpu
And so on...

[Teiryn]

Messaggio originale di jefedemuchanina:

Messaggio originale di ⇋๖ۣۜBᴏxᴇʀ:

I played most of the open world games released in the last years during 2017, just after i upgraded to my I5 7600 wich is a MID END CPU, and never had stuttering or low FPS issues, so i'd like you to show me what games you're talking about. The only open world game that really stressed my CPU (but wasn't still enough to dip under 60FPS) was Ghost recon wildlands, wich is widely known to be horribly optimized.

Dying light
Monster hunter world
Battlefield 1 certain maps
Assasins creed cpu destoryer
In parts of far cry 5
Witcher 3
Gta 5

Just off the top of my head easily push my cpu over 90% or hit 100% and end up causing frame drops and choppyness i buy bin and resell cpu’s ive had 3 7700ks now kept the best overclocker and it still happens at 5.2ghz on my 8600k only aco gives me trouble like that ghost recon tops out in the 70% range maybe spikes in the 80’s.

Thats all at 1440p does the 7700k “perform well” sure but he can sell his and get an 8600k and make a little money off the deal while getting better performance and ive yet to have an 8th gen chip that heats up anywhere near as bad as the 7th gens ive owned do. 5.3ghz 8600k tops out in the 80’s heavy stress testing before i delided my 7700k 92c at 5ghz stress testing and the 2 others i owned did even worse

Witcher 3 isn't very cpu intensive actually. Crysis 3 is very cpu intensive even if it is a linear game.

Messaggio originale di bRice153:

For what its worth the rest of my system is:
-ASUS ROG STRIX Z270I
-MSI 1080ti
-Samsung m.2 ssd
-16gb Corsaid Dominator memory
-EVGA 850w G3
And of course the 7700k on an AIO water cooler

I did not know there is a 9xxx series coming out maybe waiting is a good idea.

Resolution?

Anyway that upgrade path is something I would not recommend, there is not much difference. Hell, even the 5 year old i7-4790k is seemingly viable today unless you go for some very high fps.

[vadim]

Messaggio originale di Aura:

Witcher 3 isn't very cpu intensive actually. Crysis 3 is very cpu intensive even if it is a linear game.

Crysis 3 is far better example than all others. You can gain 10% FPS gsin at real condition with both CPUs at stock speed or 5% when they are overclocked: https://overclockers.ru/lab/show/89887_2/test-processorov-intel-core-i7-8700k-i-core-i5-8600k-v-aktualnyh-igrah
But this still not worth upgrading.
(At heavy CPU-bound conditions you get get more FPS increase, but we are talking about real game).

[Teiryn]

Messaggio originale di ⇋๖ۣۜBᴏxᴇʀ:

You CPU can literally run any game, its not AMD, the cores are actual cores and not trash, upgrading now means wasting money. Wait at least 3 new Intel generations before upgrading to their next CPU, and for the love of god, don't repeat my error and never waste your money on AMD, horrible hardware.

I guess you have been living under a rock. With Ryzen AMD got back Into the game, it offers solid performance and good budget options as far as I know. Not Only that but you actually get a decent cooler with ryzen, unlike the crappy stock cooler Intel gives you.

Messaggio originale di vadim:

Messaggio originale di Aura:

Witcher 3 isn't very cpu intensive actually. Crysis 3 is very cpu intensive even if it is a linear game.

Crysis 3 is far better example than all others. You can gain 10% FPS gsin at real condition with both CPUs at stock speed or 5% when they are overclocked: https://overclockers.ru/lab/show/89887_2/test-processorov-intel-core-i7-8700k-i-core-i5-8600k-v-aktualnyh-igrah
But this still not worth upgrading.
(At heavy CPU-bound conditions you get get more FPS increase, but we are talking about real game).

I agree.

[bRice153]

Messaggio originale di Aura:

Messaggio originale di bRice153:

For what its worth the rest of my system is:
-ASUS ROG STRIX Z270I
-MSI 1080ti
-Samsung m.2 ssd
-16gb Corsaid Dominator memory
-EVGA 850w G3
And of course the 7700k on an AIO water cooler

I did not know there is a 9xxx series coming out maybe waiting is a good idea.

Resolution?

Anyway that upgrade path is something I would not recommend, there is not much difference. Hell, even the 5 year old i7-4790k is seemingly viable today unless you go for some very high fps.

I try and play at 4k when I can but some games the 1080ti isn't enough so I just play at 4k with internal resolution lower to like 70-80% and some settings turned down if I start to notice dips under 60. I have a 4k display so to me 1440p looks blurry. Even 4k with lower internal resolution looks WAY better because the HUD's and text all look normal and I really don't notice any difference if the internal res. Is a bit lower.

That is how I am able to play GR: Wildlands and Final Fantasy 15 at 4k/60fps

I'd love to get a 2080ti but I can not justify the price and the 2080 is basically a 1080ti with less VRAM and cost more.

[Teiryn]

Messaggio originale di bRice153:

Messaggio originale di Aura:

Resolution?

Anyway that upgrade path is something I would not recommend, there is not much difference. Hell, even the 5 year old i7-4790k is seemingly viable today unless you go for some very high fps.

I try and play at 4k when I can but some games the 1080ti isn't enough so I just play at 4k with internal resolution lower to like 70-80% and some settings turned down if I start to notice dips under 60. I have a 4k display so to me 1440p looks blurry. Even 4k with lower internal resolution looks WAY better because the HUD's and text all look normal and I really don't notice any difference if the internal res. Is a bit lower.

That is how I am able to play GR: Wildlands and Final Fantasy 15 at 4k/60fps

If fps target is only 60 then you should not upgrade cpu.

I run similar setup, 1080 Ti with i7-4770k at 4k. There is almost no game out there where my cpu bottlenecks my gpu from what I have played. The only games that come to mind are AC Origins and perhaps MHW (but only quite rarely I think).

[bRice153]

Do you think future games will start to utilize more cores better? Or should 4 cores be a safe bet for a few more years. Say for example when the inevitable Red Dead Redemption 2 PC port comes out.

[vadim]

Messaggio originale di Aura:

The only games that come to mind are AC Origins and perhaps MHW (but only quite rarely I think).

I never played Monster Hunter World myself, so the only source of my info are tests. According to them this game is also GPU-bound: https://gamegpu.com/rpg/ролевые/monster-hunter-world-test-gpu-cpu
(As usual you don't need to understand language to browse charts. I7-4770k has the same FPS in this game as i7-8700k)

[Malygos]

Messaggio originale di vadim:

Jefede, do you understand that you write gibberish?
You named several games which, in your opinion, need more powerful CPU than j7-7700k, but you were unable to give any single link to prove your words. Why? Because it's impossible. You named GTA V, but thus game cannot use more than 4 cores. You named Dying Light, but this game doesn't need powerful CPU at all - it completely GPU-bound: https://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/dying-light-bad-blood-test-gpu-cpu
And so on...

https://imgur.com/a/HKJIXOi
I posted some random Russian site thats way more credible than someone using the cpu everyday since launch lmao stick to telling people that should play at 1080p big guy

Messaggio originale di Aura:

Messaggio originale di jefedemuchanina:

Dying light
Monster hunter world
Battlefield 1 certain maps
Assasins creed cpu destoryer
In parts of far cry 5
Witcher 3
Gta 5

Just off the top of my head easily push my cpu over 90% or hit 100% and end up causing frame drops and choppyness i buy bin and resell cpu’s ive had 3 7700ks now kept the best overclocker and it still happens at 5.2ghz on my 8600k only aco gives me trouble like that ghost recon tops out in the 70% range maybe spikes in the 80’s.

Thats all at 1440p does the 7700k “perform well” sure but he can sell his and get an 8600k and make a little money off the deal while getting better performance and ive yet to have an 8th gen chip that heats up anywhere near as bad as the 7th gens ive owned do. 5.3ghz 8600k tops out in the 80’s heavy stress testing before i delided my 7700k 92c at 5ghz stress testing and the 2 others i owned did even worse

Witcher 3 isn't very cpu intensive actually. Crysis 3 is very cpu intensive even if it is a linear game.

60-100% not even in a town or heavily populated area novigrad at 1440p is an instant 100%
https://youtu.be/5MCKa64gTxk

[vadim]

Messaggio originale di jefedemuchanina:

https://imgur.com/a/HKJIXOi
I posted some random Russian site thats way more credible than someone using the cpu everyday since launch lmao stick to telling people that should play at 1080p big guy

1. What do you say by that? What should I see in this picture? CPU and GPU loads? Or what? What does it have with the needs to upgrade CPU?
2. You need to educate yourself a bit and learn that not all reputable sites are English-language. Surprise, right?