Desolate Eden 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 12:20
Why is performance piss poor on max at 1440p on red dead redemption 2?
it seems you need a graphics card costing over £1000 to actually enjoy relatively high frame rate on the game, i was waiting on the 3080 reveal but most likely wont be up for purchase until early 2021 or december or something so i was gonna get the 2080 super which is arguably the best card you can get right now for under £1000 and its struggling to hold 60fps, its like games are made for technology from the future nowadays, i worry for trying to maintain 60 fps on cyberpunk 2077
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Bad 💀 Motha 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 12:23 
Full PC Specs?
Desolate Eden 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 12:24 
i was watching benchmarks on youtube of it running on a i7 10700k and a rtx 2080 super, while im waiting on my gpu, i also have an i7 10700k
Bad 💀 Motha 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 12:28 
It doesn't exactly run poorly. It offers much higher graphics then the consoles do, even PS4 PRO. However putting the game on Ultra everything at 1440p will be super demanding. It's way above the GTAV level of graphics. Turn it down to maybe High or a mix of High / Very high when above 1080p. It will still look better at 1440p with such a preset. Turn MSAA crap off.

Also RDR2 was meant to run within a range of 30-60 fps, and basically nothing outside that.
最後修改者:Bad 💀 Motha; 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 12:28
Desolate Eden 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 12:33 
right, do you think the 2080 super will last me a long time at 1440p? i do want high frames on competitive games like rainbow six and such so 144fps at 1440p on max would be good in those but single player games and such, i need at least 60, if i get drops below 60 i will feel like im not getting my moneys worth, so with all the next gen games coming out, is the 2080s a good purchase still?
Bad 💀 Motha 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 12:35 
Ok, well RDR2 isn't one of those games
Monk 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 12:45 
Depending on what you currently have, I'd of waited, chances are we will see new cards around October.
We can't know how things will develop over the next few years, but as long as you don't mind turning the odd setting down a bit, you should be fine.
Desolate Eden 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 12:48 
haven't ordered it yet, have to wait for next month before i can get it, but waiting till october means playing cyberpunk and horizon zero dawn and red dead redemption 2 or assassins creed oddysey which i dropped 3 times now due to fps drops as an example on awful fps because im on a gtx 1080 and im running a 1440p monitor so i cant expect these games to hold up to 60 fps minimum sadly, had this card since release and its starting to show struggle now, wish they wouldnt take centruries revealing the new cards and instead just come out with it
最後修改者:Desolate Eden; 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 12:51
Mad Scientist 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 2:12 
Because there's a nda from the parent company or you'd, get information a lot sooner.

If you want bigger resolution and hz rates, you're going to have to learn to turn down other settings with nearly any video card.

Not doing research isn't "not getting money's worth", it's the user's error as usual. Each game will run differently than another, most "competitive" repetitive games have limited shapes, textures, etc that impact performance and are usually in enclosed areas which has a lot to do with performance.

Some games will easily run that, others will not. Some due to optimization of lack thereof, or demand of higher resources by increasing increasing resolution and hz rate.
Desolate Eden 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 2:19 
Seems pointless to me to create settings which cannot be ran at at least 60fps and the standard of 30 fps in 2020 is unreasonable too, this is something I see with total war games a lot as well, its virtually impossible to run a total war game with any current technology at 60 fps consistently, it seems the dream of chasing the 1440p/60fps goal is going to be a long one, turning down settings kind of just means settling for less to me and thats only tolerable when i dont spend a fortune on hardware with which come expectations but yeah oh well
最後修改者:Desolate Eden; 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 2:19
Mad Scientist 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 2:35 
引用自 Desolate Eden
Seems pointless to me to create settings which cannot be ran at at least 60fps and the standard of 30 fps in 2020 is unreasonable too, this is something I see with total war games a lot as well, its virtually impossible to run a total war game with any current technology at 60 fps consistently, it seems the dream of chasing the 1440p/60fps goal is going to be a long one, turning down settings kind of just means settling for less to me and thats only tolerable when i dont spend a fortune on hardware with which come expectations but yeah oh well
Have you tried to haul heavy cargo meant for a pickup truck with a geo car?
How do you think the vehicle would react to the weight on the roof?
Do you think the vehicle could go the same speed as the truck with such a heavy load without needing to use far more fuel?
Would the tires and roof be able to handle the load? Probably not.

While the 1080 is no geo, you can see the reason (in your case probably not) behind my comparison is you're asking for more when there's limitations;
increased Hz rate = increased GPU demand
increased resolution = increased GPU demand
larger resolution and larger hz rate in addition to high settings = extreme demand instead of low to medium.

The video card is not 2020 manufacturing, it was released in 2016 which means 2015 designs so you're being entirely unreasonable about saying "but its current year!" to a 5yr old part that you're asking to do too much out of, whereas I've also mentioned larger games with larger settings demand more compared to tiny map FPS games like CSGO which barely need much to run.

Then you have the engine itself, programming, optimization etc which can vastly impact performance as well, which has little to do with the GPUs capability, so much as how the game/engine can handle and pass loads between the correct parts.

You keep saying 1440p 60FPS but you also dont mention if you're attempting 60Hz or greater than 60Hz. Balancing settings is entirely easy, reasonable, and some games are highly unoptimized for reflections/lighting/shading which can drastically harm FPS while turning them down or off can result in a huge surge of performance. It comes down to everything, not just the GPU.

Welcome to PCs, where you buy based off of your wants and change settings if somethings not working as you wish or upgrade parts if the performance isn't up to unrealistic standards based on failure to research or understand the age and limitations of parts and software.

Know what I did when performance wasn't good enough for me? I built a workstation, I can play games while I do everything else without any performance hit to my GPU.

Know what you buy, know what to expect, expect different games to perform differently with different settings/hz/resolution. If you don't like it, go to 1080p or get a stronger GPU.
Desolate Eden 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 2:42 
But I literally made a post about the rtx 2080 super and I said Im waiting on my rtx 2080 super next month so I already said the gtx 1080 is not performing to the standard I'm looking for, but neither will the rtx 2080 super which is the best consumer card on the market right now for below £1000 so if I spend £750-£800 on a rtx 2080 super and still cant play all my games on max at 1440p resolution at minimum 60 fps then clearly thats not tolerable is it, if i have to wait for a next gen card to play previous gen games there is clearly something wrong here and for reference i also watched a rtx 2080ti drop below 60 on rdr2 at one point in the video so yes, video game developers failing to optimise games well is as disapointing as the amount of money i have to spend on a card to still not deliver to my expectations
Mad Scientist 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 3:05 
引用自 Desolate Eden
if i have to wait for a next gen card to play previous gen games there is clearly something wrong here and for reference i also watched a rtx 2080ti drop below 60 on rdr2 at one point in the video so yes, video game developers failing to optimise games well is as disapointing as the amount of money i have to spend on a card to still not deliver to my expectations
Sounds like a game issue not so much a GPU issue, for all the reasons I mentioned already a few times above. Then there's a strong amount of user error, which is resulting in yourself causing your own issue. You don't get to complain of a 1080s performance compared to the top editions of the 1080Ti; you bought what you bought and you should know exactly what you're in for, if you want to know what performance will be with any game at any hz/resolution rate; do some research before you buy a card, and if the game isn't out yet, expect the performance to not be as good as you want compared to a newer unit or more optimization.

They're a AAA company, you can take your complaint to them or actually wait like ordinary users do when the performance isn't how they want it to be. If a 2080Ti (without you saying EXACTLY what hz rate and resolution or leaving out one) dips below, post in the games section instead of just thinking it's the GPU. Classic case of users not understanding that any one small thing can throw a wrench into everything.

Lastly; you expect only what benchmarks show, and nothing else, at all. These usually come from the manufacturer themselves or typical sites that list each part, and the general settings and show you the exact result of the benchmark. You do not get to make expectations other than benchmarks with similar hardware as yourself, and even then the slowest part or one bad setting can actually hold a GPU back or throttle it down impacting performance. Temperatures also come into play in which I am going to say you have no idea what your CPU/GPUs temperature is as those can also directly affect performance.

The main issue here is not only the game itself, but you, not so much the equipment. Your attitude is very poor and your understanding of the hardware and associated software is why you're having issues on top of the game issue. Are you even sure youre using a full-speed pcie slot?
最後修改者:Mad Scientist; 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 3:05
Desolate Eden 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 3:15 
Not really sure why you default to trying to talk down to me and make me come out as uneducated or stupid. I am absolutely sure I am running a full speed picie slot, I monitor my GPU and CPU temps and I've done plenty of researching on my hardware before buying and building it. Why are you constantly going back to my GTX 1080? I am not making any complaints about that card performing poorly, that card is entirely irrelevant to the topic of this discussion. I am upgrading to an RTX 2080 super and my complaint is in the fact even the newest and best card under £1000 - The rtx 2080 super fails to perform at MINIMUM 60 fps on 1440p at max settings on every game. That is my underlying problem. There is no problem here caused by me which makes games run at lower frames than they should. I am watching videos on youtube of different users with same hardware running the games to compare the performance stats and they are all the same, these games, rdr2 or ac oddysey as an example struggle to run at 60 fps minimum on max settings at 1440p resolution, am i to blame for that? nope, its the developers not optimising the game fully and creating games which you need future technology for to run efficiently, 2k in 2020 is not a new concept, 4k may be a new territory when aiming for 60 fps minimum but 2k is by no means a huge ask especially when I am buying a £750 card, which of these issues are you failing to understand?

I have a gtx 1080 (which will be replaced by rtx 2080 super)
I7 10700K
Asus STRIX Gaming Z490-F mobo
16GB DDR4 3600 MHZ ram

are these specs bad and its my fault that the games are failing to run at 60 fps? you tell me, of course ignoring the fact i have a gtx 1080 at the moment because my complaint is about the 2080 super performance, not my 1080 which is performing well for its age
最後修改者:Desolate Eden; 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 5:05
iceman1980 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 5:35 
Hmm might be due to Denuvo. Both games use it.
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hawkeye 2020 年 7 月 5 日 下午 5:58 
RDR2 at 1440p and medium+ settings on a 2080S should be up around 100 fps. There isn't much difference between medium and high in image quality.

Cyberpunk graphics are different to RDR2. From what I have seen cyberpunk graphics look fairly lightweight from a visual standpoint. Lots of blur, poor lighting effects and pre-rendered lods. I could be wrong. There is a graphics review by digital foundry.

RDR2 is definitely a lot higher standard. Plus cyberpunk is going to have new versions of rtx and dlss support afaik for which you may need a 3000 series gpu. Is the cyberpunk 2080S custom still going to happen?

Regarding buying a gpu, wait until benchmarks are known. rtx and dlss mean nothing for games that don't support them. So should be excluded from any comparison, treat them as a bonus. A 2080S will bottleneck a 10700k at 1440p.

I have a 1080ti, was going to buy a 980ti and I'm glad I didn't. The extra cost has been worth it. There will be probably be a 3080 ti and will be a 3090. Pricing may depend on availability of amd's big navi gpus.

It's known that one of the ampere cards beats a 2080ti by 31%. Why would anyone be considering blowing serious money on a 2080S, without knowing what 3000 series cost?
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