Ryzen 5 3600 high temps with Cooler Master hyper 212

[Happy Larry]

Hey,
I recently upgraded my cpu ( ryzen 5 1600x) to ryzen 3600 .
I got a solid idle temp with 34c , ingame 50c at top with the old 1600x but not with the new one...
3600 is running constantly with 1.45 core voltage at 4.1 core speed.
Idle temperature between 45c and 60c , ingame runs with 50c-80c.( sometimes it hits 80c but goes down asap.)
I ran AIDA64 program to stress test it for an hour and the temp spikes were even there... it hit 80c like every 10 min , then immidiately went back to 74c which was like the base top temp in that program.
My thermal paste is mx-4 , I never had any problem with it before.
My new pc case is the cooler master h500 with 3 stock fans. Cpu cooler is the cooler master hyper 212.
Whats up with this cpu ? Is it normal that it runs hot like this with a third party cooler? Do I need to check anything in the bios ?
Cpu: ryzen 5 3600
Mobo: b450m ds3h-cf ( newest bios)
Graphics card : rtx 2070 ( newest driver)
Ram : 2x8gb 2666mhz
Psu : SilverStone Essential Gold ET750-HG 750W
Thanks in advance.

[Happy Larry]

emoticorpse eredeti hozzászólása:

I will mention that I got around the same bump in temps when I went from a 1700x to a 3700x so you're not alone. I have a Hyper 212 also, but I'm not worried about it pretty much maxes out at around 80. I don't stress test though, but I have have let it run for long enough encoding video to know it's pretty stable.

I see , but I'm not comfortable with these temps since these high temps are unusual for me.

[Happy Larry]

AbedsBrother eredeti hozzászólása:

Look at reducing the cpu voltage, 1.45V is on the high side.

Thats what Im thinking about, but does it affect performance in any way?

[Cathulhu]

Performance? No. Stability? Possibly.

[AbedsBrother]

Sad Larry eredeti hozzászólása:

AbedsBrother eredeti hozzászólása:

Look at reducing the cpu voltage, 1.45V is on the high side.

Thats what Im thinking about, but does it affect performance in any way?

As long as you don't have to reduce clock speed, no, it won't reduce performance. How much you can reduce the voltage while staying stable at 4.1Ghz depends on the silicon lottery.

[r.linder]

The problem with manually setting voltage to something more conservative is that you're just undercutting performance. All Ryzen 3000 CPUs can easily use 1.45v under load. It's only weird when it's mostly idle.

If BIOS isn't fully up to date, you need to update it, because AGESA (included in BIOS) can fix idle voltages.

[Happy Larry]

Escorve eredeti hozzászólása:

The problem with manually setting voltage to something more conservative is that you're just undercutting performance. All Ryzen 3000 CPUs can easily use 1.45v under load. It's only weird when it's mostly idle.

If BIOS isn't fully up to date, you need to update it, because AGESA (included in BIOS) can fix idle voltages.

I do already updated the bios , it was like the first thing . F50 is running.

[r.linder]

Sad Larry eredeti hozzászólása:

Escorve eredeti hozzászólása:

The problem with manually setting voltage to something more conservative is that you're just undercutting performance. All Ryzen 3000 CPUs can easily use 1.45v under load. It's only weird when it's mostly idle.

If BIOS isn't fully up to date, you need to update it, because AGESA (included in BIOS) can fix idle voltages.

I do already updated the bios , it was like the first thing . F50 is running.

How are the load temperatures though? Try running some games.

[xSOSxHawkens]

Direct heatpipe coolers (like the 212) have large air gaps between the pipes and they can often cause the thermal compound not to spread correctly if you use a small dot application method.

I suggest a reset, clean the CPU, then use the apply and spread method with a credit card or the likes on the base block of the 212 to fill all gaps and leave a consistent and thin layer across the entire cold plate base. If you are concerned about air bubles or think you did a crap job put a large bowel over it (to block dust and such) and let the TIM settle over a day or two. Or just be careful in the first place and call it good.

Then mount that up and see how it does for you.

[[☥] - CJ -]

+1 for spread method with a small dot in the middle

If the clocks/voltage are "constant" as you say, at idle AND load that would explain the high idle temps

Let it down clock and the idle temps should drop, possibly load temps as well.

Did you default the BIOS after you updated the BIOS?
If not, i would try that as well

Another thing
That case gets plenty of intake but only 1 exhaust fan, adding a top exhaust may help also.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Get a better cooler, like BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4

[xSOSxHawkens]

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

Get a better cooler, like BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4

totally un-needed.

For his chip he should have no issues with such a cooler. Hyper 212 (any revision) with a single fan is > Wraith Prism Max, which has (roughly) 160-180w dissapation capacity. A 212 Evo is more capable with a single fan than a prism max and is thus able to cool (at stock) 12 and 16 core chips.

For his 6 core its overkill at stock, and though not anywhere near the dark rock it *does* offer plenty of cooling headroom for PBO/OC etc.

People underestimate the CM-212 now days and forget there was a long era where it was the top dog air cooler. Just because there are better units out now does not mean that the 212's are implicity bad. Specially for their low price, and much added performance when used in a push-pull config with 2 fans (using the included 2nd fan brackets).

I used a 212+ in push pull to OC a Q6700 from Stock 2.66Ghz/1066FSB to 3.6Ghz and 1800Mhz FSB.

I am (currently) using a 212 Evo in push pull to OC an i7 - 2700K to 4.6Ghz all core 24/7 in my third rate rig.

They are capable units, despite not being top dogs. There is more at play here than the cooler.

[_I_]

dont bother manually overclocking ryzen
let it auto boost to its speeds that it can reach with the cooling it has and power delivery the mobo can give it

attempting to manually oc will just result in throttling sooner or a lower or unstable oc

[emoticorpse]

Change the fan from the stock one to a different one.

[Happy Larry]

xSOSxHawkens eredeti hozzászólása:

Direct heatpipe coolers (like the 212) have large air gaps between the pipes and they can often cause the thermal compound not to spread correctly if you use a small dot application method.

I suggest a reset, clean the CPU, then use the apply and spread method with a credit card or the likes on the base block of the 212 to fill all gaps and leave a consistent and thin layer across the entire cold plate base. If you are concerned about air bubles or think you did a crap job put a large bowel over it (to block dust and such) and let the TIM settle over a day or two. Or just be careful in the first place and call it good.

Then mount that up and see how it does for you.

thank you !

[Happy Larry]

emoticorpse eredeti hozzászólása:

Change the fan from the stock one to a different one.

I mentioned Im using third party cooler :D