Amd 5600xt low watt and low usage etc (SOLVED!)

[crackshot]

I have upgraded my gfx from a 1060 to a 5600xt. Running on a ryzen 2600 oc at 4ghz with a/m cooler, 3000mhz ddr4 on the 1060 I used to get around 70-90fps in games like hunt showdown on max gfx but with aa off lighting low. Csgo max gfx averaged about 140-200fps etc.

I first got a power color 5600xt and noticed it never used more that 94watts not 150 as it should. Gpu usage sat at about 40 to 60 % in games and CPU usage around 40%. fps in hunt would sit around 50 to 70 and shaking mouse would stutter or drop fps. In some cases it hit 20fps.
So I returned the card citing faulty and grabbed the gigabyte version with rgbfusion yay. For 1 hour I saw it use about 100 to 114 watts and games were smooth but still only about 60 to 80fps on max gfx.
I updated drivers, Used ddu, Followed all tips by users to fix it including Flashed vbios etc. Lastnight game was smooth and no stuttering or fps drops for about 2 to 3 hours. And loading into games I can check usage hits 90 to 95% with about 100watts. So I thought that's great I guess, Alas hour or so later it starts stuttering and chugging when flicking mouse. Same fps drops and low usage of gpu % and don't see it use more than 85watt... I noticed in the gigabyte version adrenaline software under fan control actually shows there is a zero fan option so thought I should disable it. While browsing the tuning and metrics watching/monitoring it, the vram would start off at using say 2400mb (in game shows same in settings that I'm using 2400mb of vram.. After 5 mins I see it slowly creep up to 3000mb then every few moments just get more and more vram until full 6000mb are used and it turns yellow and says 100%, but in game graphs still shows it as 3000 to 3400. Not 100% full as metrics on adrenaline show. Then I noticed the graphics graph in hunt showing gfx memory usage would start constantly changing, climbing from 2400mb all the way up to full then dropping to 2400 and back to full every 5 to 6 Seconds. On my other cards and friends cards it shows usage once loaded and doesn't change unless game state changes eg loading level, changed gfx settings etc, but otherwise doesn't change.

I've spent 4 days reading and testing everything to get this work. I'm about to format and reinstall windows 10 as a few ppl said they tried everything and a reinstall fixed it when nothing else did..

My only concern is that no one is mentioning the power usage or vram flooding issue.

Anyone with a 5600xt check your metrics and confirm any of this.
usage watts higher than 114watt? Vram filling up? Card feeling like it goes into gimp mode, bad performance with 35 to 60% usage and stuttering, chug...


Shouldnt the card be pulling the 150 to 180 watts as advertised? Shouldnt I be getting better performance than a 1060 3gb? Should the vram be filling up and dropping repeatedly?

Has anyone got any info on this?

Specs
Gigabyte 5600xt
Gigabyte Aorus ax370 k7 mb
Ryzen 2600 oc 4ghz stable
8gb ddr4 3000mhz
2x 128gb ssd
550watt psu

Any help appreciated and.

Regards

[AbedsBrother]

Originally posted by crackshot:

I have upgraded my gfx from a 1060 to a 5600xt. Running on a ryzen 2600 oc at 4ghz with a/m cooler, 3000mhz ddr4 on the 1060 I used to get around 70-90fps in games like hunt showdown on max gfx but with aa off lighting low. Csgo max gfx averaged about 140-200fps etc.

I first got a power color 5600xt and noticed it never used more that 94watts not 150 as it should. Gpu usage sat at about 40 to 60 % in games and CPU usage around 40%. fps in hunt would sit around 50 to 70 and shaking mouse would stutter or drop fps. In some cases it hit 20fps.

Sounds like something was throttling. Whether you had a frame-rate limiter enabled, needed to raise the power limit, or something was over-heating.

Originally posted by crackshot:

So I returned the card citing faulty and grabbed the gigabyte version with rgbfusion yay. For 1 hour I saw it use about 100 to 114 watts and games were smooth but still only about 60 to 80fps on max gfx.

What games? What resolution? Overclocked? Not Overclocked?

Originally posted by crackshot:

I updated drivers, Used ddu, Followed all tips by users to fix it including Flashed vbios etc. Lastnight game was smooth and no stuttering or fps drops for about 2 to 3 hours. And loading into games I can check usage hits 90 to 95% with about 100watts. So I thought that's great I guess, Alas hour or so later it starts stuttering and chugging when flicking mouse. Same fps drops and low usage of gpu % and don't see it use more than 85watt...

Sounds like overheating. Could be an airflow issue in your case, could be you're running an over-clocked profile for your gpu (default profiles are almost always over-volted, resulting in excess heat).

Originally posted by crackshot:

I noticed in the gigabyte version adrenaline software under fan control actually shows there is a zero fan option so thought I should disable it. While browsing the tuning and metrics watching/monitoring it, the vram would start off at using say 2400mb (in game shows same in settings that I'm using 2400mb of vram.. After 5 mins I see it slowly creep up to 3000mb then every few moments just get more and more vram until full 6000mb are used and it turns yellow and says 100%,

You're referring to the readout in the Radeon software.

Originally posted by crackshot:

but in game graphs still shows it as 3000 to 3400.

What in-game graphs? Which game?

Originally posted by crackshot:

I've spent 4 days reading and testing everything to get this work. I'm about to format and reinstall windows 10 as a few ppl said they tried everything and a reinstall fixed it when nothing else did..

What driver version are you using? 20.5.1 has given people some issues (myself included), so I recommend 20.4.2 for stability.

Originally posted by crackshot:

Anyone with a 5600xt check your metrics and confirm any of this.
usage watts higher than 114watt? Vram filling up? Card feeling like it goes into gimp mode, bad performance with 35 to 60% usage and stuttering, chug...

I still suspect you have an overheating gpu. Set a max boost frequency, increase the power limit to the max, then undervolt. Welcome to owning a Radeon gpu.

Originally posted by crackshot:

Shouldnt the card be pulling the 150 to 180 watts as advertised?

Not necessarily. If you're using a frame-rate limiter (like Radeon Chill), you'll draw less power than you would otherwise. If you're overclocked, you'll draw more.

Originally posted by crackshot:

Shouldnt I be getting better performance than a 1060 3gb?

Yes, you should. How much more depends on the game, but usually it'll be a lot more.

Originally posted by crackshot:

Should the vram be filling up and dropping repeatedly?

No. Either the readout bugged, or some hardware accelerated program is using your gpu.

Originally posted by crackshot:

Specs
Gigabyte 5600xt
Gigabyte Aorus ax370 k7 mb
Ryzen 2600 oc 4ghz stable
8gb ddr4 3000mhz
2x 128gb ssd
550watt psu

You should double your ram amount, 8GB isn't enough for gaming anymore.

[crackshot]

Thanks for your reply
Questions in order.

Raising the power limit +20% does nothing. No frame limiter, no overheating in fact quite the opposite, fans super low or off and only when it gets to 63deg c it kicks in. It's usually well under that, custom fan profile and rpms up does nothing for performance increase watt/power usage

The power color version has dual bios and the gigabyte one does not.
It's default overclocked out of the box apparently it's OC model.

Using default bios 1500 and new v3 bios 1750 doesn't fix issue.

What's annoying is in game some setting changes in overlay cause performance to drop just by going against the global setting. Using fresh install and select gamer profile. Didn't touch anything. Was getting 95-99% gpu usage but still only 114 watts is most I saw but hour later it's bad again won't go above 80%usage or 84watts.

Yes read outs in metrics of Radeon overlay

The fluctuations are in hunt showdown. Wasn't doing it before.
Also tried Feb may and June drivers.

No heat issues etc

The VRAM fill and empty repeatedly is in game graphic settings graph. The VRAM shown in overlay just sits at full once full. But in game fills from 2400 to 4200.where overlay says all 6gb are full

Only program I see that has hardware acc is discord. But don't see why it would conflict.

Thanks for troubleshooting
1080p

[Bad 💀 Motha]

I would just return the gpu if you don't like it. Stick to Nvidia. A good upgrade from any 1060 would be a 1660 Super or RTX 2060 KO

Update to the latest non-beta bios revsion.

Leave the cpu at stock.

Enable xmp/docp for dram profile in bios.

Set Windows Power Options to High Performance.

Download and install latest amd am4 Ryzen chipset drivers from amd.com

[crackshot]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

I would just return the gpu if you don't like it. Stick to Nvidia. A good upgrade from any 1060 would be a 1660 Super or RTX 2060 KO

Update to the latest non-beta bios revsion.

Leave the cpu at stock.

Enable xmp/docp for dram profile in bios.

Set Windows Power Options to High Performance.

Download and install latest amd am4 Ryzen chipset drivers from amd.com

Done all of that, no dice. Ty for reply

[Bad 💀 Motha]

What PSU are you using?
8gb ram also simply is not enough.
No wonder you have issues with such a cpu and gpu. It's using the page file all the time.

[GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™]

Originally posted by crackshot:

8gb ddr4 3000mhz

You can't be serious? Do you see this?? Is it even running in multi-channel?

Dude, this is 2020 and that's a gaming pc for crying out loud! I would never run my pc like that and expect it to perform.

[AbedsBrother]

Originally posted by crackshot:

The fluctuations are in hunt showdown.

Found this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/8t7gam/tips_for_optimizing_fps_for_amd_owners/
I've seen the tessellation setting make a difference in other games (like Assassin's Creed Origins). Worth a try.

Also it seems Hunt Showdown has had issues w/ fully utilizing gpus in the past.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/594650/discussions/4/1696046342872476164/
That thread discusses the same issue with a 1080Ti, so this may not be a strictly Radeon problem.

[crackshot]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

What PSU are you using?
8gb ram also simply is not enough.
No wonder you have issues with such a cpu and gpu. It's using the page file all the time.

550watt (which is more than enough, i dont know why so many people offering advice about pc's go nuts over PSU reccomendation (sure its fundamental) , but saying thats not enough power etc. when a simple calculation of thermal designed power vs draw across the board, ram voltages, cpu (turbo etc) and other components. most people be lucky if their system is even using 150-200watt sans GPU and throw a 150w gpu in there and go on nah u need a 750w.... my total watt usage is expected to be around 320watts (if gpu was drawing 150w which it isnt)

while my next upgrade is ram yes, 8gb is satisfactory in all games (sys requirements) i play.
sure having more is better, up to the point where speed becomes more desirable.
i just checked my pagefile. i dont know how it was set to "prioritise for background services and manually set to 15gb on 1 drive" .. not sure if a windows update or registry edit changed this.. set back to programs and windows controlled. will test.

Originally posted by ANTI-MASKER™:

Originally posted by crackshot:

8gb ddr4 3000mhz

You can't be serious? Do you see this?? Is it even running in multi-channel?

Dude, this is 2020 and that's a gaming pc for crying out loud! I would never run my pc like that and expect it to perform.

while I admire your enthusiasm toward gaming pc's and components, answer me this,
how can having exactly the same system and only swapping from a 1060 3gb to a 5600 xt
one would at least expect the same if not better performance if ram was a factor.
1060 3gb (60-90fps no stutter, no chugging etc, 95-98% usage) in same game with exactly same settings on 5600xt 50-60fps , stuttering when shake mouse, some instances i see it drop to 30 even into the 20's and some points just feel like its locked up for a second ..

furthermore could you explain why you think it would be such a factor?

of course its running in multi channel.... *checks*.. jokes. i know its running in multi channel.

Originally posted by AbedsBrother:

Originally posted by crackshot:

The fluctuations are in hunt showdown.

Found this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/8t7gam/tips_for_optimizing_fps_for_amd_owners/
I've seen the tessellation setting make a difference in other games (like Assassin's Creed Origins). Worth a try.

Also it seems Hunt Showdown has had issues w/ fully utilizing gpus in the past.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/594650/discussions/4/1696046342872476164/
That thread discusses the same issue with a 1080Ti, so this may not be a strictly Radeon problem.

thank you for your reply and links, will read now.

[crackshot]

Originally posted by AbedsBrother:

Originally posted by crackshot:

The fluctuations are in hunt showdown.

Found this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/8t7gam/tips_for_optimizing_fps_for_amd_owners/
I've seen the tessellation setting make a difference in other games (like Assassin's Creed Origins). Worth a try.

Also it seems Hunt Showdown has had issues w/ fully utilizing gpus in the past.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/594650/discussions/4/1696046342872476164/
That thread discusses the same issue with a 1080Ti, so this may not be a strictly Radeon problem.

ok i stopped reading from the 2nd line where he says "i have motion blur enabled and fps capped to 90"

eeeek. nah jokes.

I do agree with him on this,even does it on the 1060.

I was curious specifically about AA because in game when I have AA enabled through Hunt it creates these VERY large black blocky shadow edges.

[crackshot]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1285163903141711156/95DD47CB41C106C3817C8C1F6595D217B2D0DF88/

sitting in menu game shows 1gb vram used, in monitor shows almost 6


https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1285163903141703746/07C13227D590CEA7E0F3A68CB91FEC81F857DEC1/
look at that performance.
22fps.. _awesome_

check metrics from radeon overlay here. 26% utilization and almost 6gb vram
yet game says 1gb?
broken drivers?

https://ibb.co/CVRpWXm

[Solarrus]

1) AMD is not for gaming.
2) "CPU usage around 40%" - it is means nothing. Watch per core load. May be 1 core is 100%, other 10%. And this is a problem.

[_I_]

Originally posted by Solarrus:

1) AMD is not for gaming.
2) "CPU usage around 40%" - it is means nothing. Watch per core load. May be 1 core is 100%, other 10%. And this is a problem.

you need to see how many threads the game can use
windows scheduler does a good job at spreading out core loads

[AbedsBrother]

Originally posted by Solarrus:

1) AMD is not for gaming.

Liar.

Originally posted by crackshot:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1285163903141711156/95DD47CB41C106C3817C8C1F6595D217B2D0DF88/

sitting in menu game shows 1gb vram used, in monitor shows almost 6


https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1285163903141703746/07C13227D590CEA7E0F3A68CB91FEC81F857DEC1/
look at that performance.
22fps.. _awesome_

check metrics from radeon overlay here. 26% utilization and almost 6gb vram
yet game says 1gb?
broken drivers?

https://ibb.co/CVRpWXm

You can't trust the in-game readout. Have had Far Cry 5 tell me vram usage was 7.5GB when it was really over 10GB.

Still not sure what your performance issue is. From the behavior you've described, I still suspect something is overheating, but your temps indicate otherwise.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

I never said 550w was not enough, read wtf I actually said above.

I asked "WHAT PSU DO YOU HAVE"
As just saying "550w" is 100% meaningless

The bigger issue is ram. That system is never going to perform well with only 8gb ram.

[Jamebonds1]

AMD GPU usually have more issues than Nvidia. Blackout during Lord of the rings war in north gaming is a reason I replaced my AMD GPU with Nvidia.