how often i should defrag my pc?

[Varsik]

for now i do it every 3 days 5 days

[pasa]

Originalmente postado por Rıcksaw:

Originalmente postado por Rumpelcrutchskin:

What the...

From Windows 7 and up there is no need to manually defragment drives, Windows will handle it on its own unless you have it specifically turned off in options.
And in any account 3 to 5 days is way too excessive and unnecessary and will only wear your HDD down.

i turned it off becuase i dont want windows to do it while i play

i remember windows default settings do defrag every 1 week,so thats another reason of why i did it every 3/5 days

The windows defrag is done in IDLE time. It has no effect on your gaming. The default is to run once a week. People who turn it off do so to have it only few times a year.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Originalmente postado por vadim:

Originalmente postado por Magma Dragoon:

never defragment an SSD

SSDs slowly lose performance because of fragmentation.

Actually you'd be surprised how much it really does not.

I've done many tests over the years on various SSD, mostly Samsung ssd models; sata, M2 sata, M2 nvme... during the course of years of use I've put them through, they have yet to lose 1% of their overall life. And how I tried to impact their life on purpose was that once a week I would clean up the drive (each had an OS on them) by wiping system restore points, make new ones, wipe junk with disk cleanup and ccleaner, I then would do various types of defrag on those ssd to see if it hurt or helped anything at all. In the end all defrag of my ssds have done is waste my time. It didn't help performance but it also did not have any negative impact on the drive health or life span as far as could tell. After any defrag completed I would force a trim cleanup.

Now does that mean it's ok to defrag an ssd, no. It fact don't bother. Just ensure that any time you use an ssd and on any system you use it on, that TRIM is enabled. OS such as Win7 SP1 or later knows the difference between an SSD vs HDD. How can you tell this is true? Because when you install Win7 SP1 onto any ssd, trim gets enabled and it auto disables the MS Superfetch service (a service meant for prefetch caching when OS is installed onto any HDD).

And the MS Defrag will say "defrag" when you click on a HDD but will say "optimize" when you click on an SSD. Optimize meaning all its doing is forcing a TRIM cleanup on that ssd, which is perfectly fine to do.

[Varsik]

Originalmente postado por pasa:

Originalmente postado por Rıcksaw:

i turned it off becuase i dont want windows to do it while i play

i remember windows default settings do defrag every 1 week,so thats another reason of why i did it every 3/5 days

The windows defrag is done in IDLE time. It has no effect on your gaming. The default is to run once a week. People who turn it off do so to have it only few times a year.

I said before (few days ago) that im never idle,if i dont use pc i turn It off

[Varsik]

Originalmente postado por Bad 💀 Motha:

Originalmente postado por vadim:

SSDs slowly lose performance because of fragmentation.

Actually you'd be surprised how much it really does not.

I've done many tests over the years on various SSD, mostly Samsung ssd models; sata, M2 sata, M2 nvme... during the course of years of use I've put them through, they have yet to lose 1% of their overall life. And how I tried to impact their life on purpose was that once a week I would clean up the drive (each had an OS on them) by wiping system restore points, make new ones, wipe junk with disk cleanup and ccleaner, I then would do various types of defrag on those ssd to see if it hurt or helped anything at all. In the end all defrag of my ssds have done is waste my time. It didn't help performance but it also did not have any negative impact on the drive health or life span as far as could tell. After any defrag completed I would force a trim cleanup.

Now does that mean it's ok to defrag an ssd, no. It fact don't bother. Just ensure that any time you use an ssd and on any system you use it on, that TRIM is enabled. OS such as Win7 SP1 or later knows the difference between an SSD vs HDD. How can you tell this is true? Because when you install Win7 SP1 onto any ssd, trim gets enabled and it auto disables the MS Superfetch service (a service meant for prefetch caching when OS is installed onto any HDD).

And the MS Defrag will say "defrag" when you click on a HDD but will say "optimize" when you click on an SSD. Optimize meaning all its doing is forcing a TRIM cleanup on that ssd, which is perfectly fine to do.

Idk why i have just asked myseld this

If defrag is bad "and you must not do It" for ssd then why Windows gives you the option to do it

[Omega]

Originalmente postado por Rıcksaw:

Originalmente postado por Bad 💀 Motha:

Actually you'd be surprised how much it really does not.

I've done many tests over the years on various SSD, mostly Samsung ssd models; sata, M2 sata, M2 nvme... during the course of years of use I've put them through, they have yet to lose 1% of their overall life. And how I tried to impact their life on purpose was that once a week I would clean up the drive (each had an OS on them) by wiping system restore points, make new ones, wipe junk with disk cleanup and ccleaner, I then would do various types of defrag on those ssd to see if it hurt or helped anything at all. In the end all defrag of my ssds have done is waste my time. It didn't help performance but it also did not have any negative impact on the drive health or life span as far as could tell. After any defrag completed I would force a trim cleanup.

Now does that mean it's ok to defrag an ssd, no. It fact don't bother. Just ensure that any time you use an ssd and on any system you use it on, that TRIM is enabled. OS such as Win7 SP1 or later knows the difference between an SSD vs HDD. How can you tell this is true? Because when you install Win7 SP1 onto any ssd, trim gets enabled and it auto disables the MS Superfetch service (a service meant for prefetch caching when OS is installed onto any HDD).

And the MS Defrag will say "defrag" when you click on a HDD but will say "optimize" when you click on an SSD. Optimize meaning all its doing is forcing a TRIM cleanup on that ssd, which is perfectly fine to do.

Idk why i have just asked myseld this

If defrag is bad "and you must not do It" for ssd then why Windows gives you the option to do it

When you "defrag" your SSD on Windows it will not actually defrag it. It will TRIM the drive instead if the drive supports it.

I believe Windows never actually mentions defragging, it just calls it "optimize".

[Varsik]

Originalmente postado por Omega:

Originalmente postado por Rıcksaw:

Idk why i have just asked myseld this

If defrag is bad "and you must not do It" for ssd then why Windows gives you the option to do it

When you "defrag" your SSD on Windows it will not actually defrag it. It will TRIM the drive instead if the drive supports it.

I believe Windows never actually mentions defragging, it just calls it "optimize".

But also calls optimize for HDD

[Omega]

Originalmente postado por Rıcksaw:

Originalmente postado por Omega:

When you "defrag" your SSD on Windows it will not actually defrag it. It will TRIM the drive instead if the drive supports it.

I believe Windows never actually mentions defragging, it just calls it "optimize".

But also calls optimize for HDD

When you run the Optimize Disks tool on a HDD it will be defragged. If you run the tool on an SSD it will run a TRIM command.

This is just Windows making these tools more abstract. It hides the complexity of the system. "Here is a tool which makes you drive perform better".

Leave all this stuff to default and let Windows run it automatically.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Originalmente postado por Rıcksaw:

Originalmente postado por Bad 💀 Motha:

Actually you'd be surprised how much it really does not.

I've done many tests over the years on various SSD, mostly Samsung ssd models; sata, M2 sata, M2 nvme... during the course of years of use I've put them through, they have yet to lose 1% of their overall life. And how I tried to impact their life on purpose was that once a week I would clean up the drive (each had an OS on them) by wiping system restore points, make new ones, wipe junk with disk cleanup and ccleaner, I then would do various types of defrag on those ssd to see if it hurt or helped anything at all. In the end all defrag of my ssds have done is waste my time. It didn't help performance but it also did not have any negative impact on the drive health or life span as far as could tell. After any defrag completed I would force a trim cleanup.

Now does that mean it's ok to defrag an ssd, no. It fact don't bother. Just ensure that any time you use an ssd and on any system you use it on, that TRIM is enabled. OS such as Win7 SP1 or later knows the difference between an SSD vs HDD. How can you tell this is true? Because when you install Win7 SP1 onto any ssd, trim gets enabled and it auto disables the MS Superfetch service (a service meant for prefetch caching when OS is installed onto any HDD).

And the MS Defrag will say "defrag" when you click on a HDD but will say "optimize" when you click on an SSD. Optimize meaning all its doing is forcing a TRIM cleanup on that ssd, which is perfectly fine to do.

Idk why i have just asked myseld this

If defrag is bad "and you must not do It" for ssd then why Windows gives you the option to do it

It doesn't give such option.

It's a trim optimize, something completely different, something you want done to your ssd over time.

IDK how anyone still has their OS on a HDD and zero knowledge of SSD. They've been around for a decade now and standard on PC and will be standard in the new game consoles.

When OS is on a HDD, that system will always be dirt slow cause the drive is the slowest part of any system.

Overall I think we've covered defragging and when it's helpful. Once a month, after you wipe the junk from your drive and do your monthly updates... is more then enough.

[vadim]

Originalmente postado por Bad 💀 Motha:

Actually you'd be surprised how much it really does not.

You made at least two logical mistakes. First is common mistake "I didn't notice that, that means this effect doesn't exist". You can google about write amplification. There are a lot of articles that explain this "non-existent" effect. That is specific to SSDs only.
Second, you messed up file fragmentation (files are written to non-contiguous LBAs) and physical block fragmentation (NAND block contaiins non-contiguous LBAs) . Do you realize that a solid state drive has an associative rather than direct address mapping?
And last, but not least, you seems misunderstood what TRIM commznd really does. Itnhas nothing to do with fragmentation. It just helps controller to determine which NAND page (not block) isn't in use anymore. When all block pages will be free, it can be erased and returned to the pool of free blocks.

[Varsik]

Originalmente postado por Bad 💀 Motha:

Originalmente postado por Rıcksaw:

Idk why i have just asked myseld this

If defrag is bad "and you must not do It" for ssd then why Windows gives you the option to do it

It doesn't give such option.

It's a trim optimize, something completely different, something you want done to your ssd over time.

IDK how anyone still has their OS on a HDD and zero knowledge of SSD. They've been around for a decade now and standard on PC and will be standard in the new game consoles.

When OS is on a HDD, that system will always be dirt slow cause the drive is the slowest part of any system.

Overall I think we've covered defragging and when it's helpful. Once a month, after you wipe the junk from your drive and do your monthly updates... is more then en ough.

"IDK how anyone still has their OS on a HDD and zero knowledge of SSD"

Becuase no money

Or also if ppl are rly límited on money ,they d rather spend on a GPU and a cpu than a ssd

I mean its better to have more fps or just a fast pc than just decresing loading times

"and standard on PC"

I rly doubt that most of the ppl use ssd

For gaming unless you play AAA games with Big Maps ,its not rly that useful to have ssd ,and most of the ppl doesnt even play AAA games

Im not saying ssd is worse but its worth sacrificing some loading time decreasment for better fps (having a decent cpu and GPU)

[Omega]

SSDs are the cheapest upgrade you can do. For $15 you can get a 120GB for the OS, for $30 250gb. And it will make a huge difference in the responsiveness of the machine.

[Varsik]

Originalmente postado por Omega:

You can check it's SMART status which tracks how many errors the drive has encountered.

Btw i have just checked the s m a r t thkngy with crystal info

https://imgur.com/a/kExwiRf

It doesnt say when the hdd ll die

It only says 36°C and more stuff i dont understand what they mean

[Varsik]

Now the disk is 35°c

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Originalmente postado por vadim:

Originalmente postado por Bad 💀 Motha:

Actually you'd be surprised how much it really does not.

You made at least two logical mistakes. First is common mistake "I didn't notice that, that means this effect doesn't exist". You can google about write amplification. There are a lot of articles that explain this "non-existent" effect. That is specific to SSDs only.
Second, you messed up file fragmentation (files are written to non-contiguous LBAs) and physical block fragmentation (NAND block contaiins non-contiguous LBAs) . Do you realize that a solid state drive has an associative rather than direct address mapping?
And last, but not least, you seems misunderstood what TRIM commznd really does. Itnhas nothing to do with fragmentation. It just helps controller to determine which NAND page (not block) isn't in use anymore. When all block pages will be free, it can be erased and returned to the pool of free blocks.

I never said TRIM is a defrag method. Defrag programs that are written to ID an ssd properly do not defrag it like a hdd, instead it does a trim optimization.

But for testing purposes I turned that feature off in Piriform Defraggler and Auslogics Disk Defrag in order to force a hdd style defrag method. It did not hurt the drive or how it performs. However due to what it can do to those blocks and such, I would never recommend that a user defrag an ssd like they would a hdd.

[Varsik]

Is 35°c good for a HDD??