dr_robert 2020 年 6 月 21 日 上午 9:07
Going from i5-7400 to i5-10400. Is it worth?
Regarding FPS in gaming, you think it would make a worthy difference? The low price on the i5-10400 is what caught my eye, since this could be an "economic" way to improve my gaming a little more (I really don't want to spend tons of money) but, will it actually improve?

Here are my actual specs in case it helps:

processor: intel core i5 7400
RAM: 16G
video: MSI GeForce 1070ti
最后由 dr_robert 编辑于; 2020 年 6 月 21 日 上午 9:10
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r.linder 2020 年 6 月 23 日 上午 9:20 
引用自 xSOSxHawkens
引用自 vadim
I left links to trustworthy resources. Linustechtips is also well-known, but forum posts cannot be trustworthy.
As you can see yoursdlf, these links don't prove that this site is biased. It just calculates ratings and "effective speed" in a way that some people don't like.
But I didn't trust this site from very beginning. Not because it biased, but because CPUs are too complicated devices nowaday. They do not have any "effective speed" that can show performance in all real life applications.
First, you ask for sources "reputable" and yet, not only this time but *many* times in other arguments you choose to willingly dismiss sources because to you they are not "realible" or such.

You turn down LTT, You turn down GamersNexus, you turn down Hardwareunboxxed

You turn down TomsHardware news articles (not forrums), you turn down notebook check, you turn down tweakdown.

Basically, you consistently ask for proof, then when presented it you claim its false cuz you dont like the source.

Sorry man, thats not how the world works. You are being faced with *multiple* independant soucrs claiming the same thing and all you want to do is say you dont believe it and want better sources...

What *exactly* will you accept as a source? Do we have to go cherry pick somehting *only* from a source you trust ffs?

When most people are on the same page, that UBM is bias, and when the factually verifiable data about such bias supports that and is *widely* reported on it, and when user discussion in forrums supports the widely reported facts.... Maybe just maybe... They are bias.

Again, for chip to chip, or inter-genrational compairons, its great! But for anything AMD vs Intel it is *so bad that neither AMD or Intel will allow you to use it as a discussion point on their respective reddits.* Neither of them trust it for such comparisons, and neither should you.
Like I said, the only people who actually like UBM for CPU comparisons are basically just Intel fanboys or people who don't know any better and don't understand that it's based on AVERAGES. It never means that a CPU is straight 10% better.
hawkeye 2020 年 6 月 23 日 上午 9:29 
引用自 xSOSxHawkens
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What *exactly* will you accept as a source? Do we have to go cherry pick somehting *only* from a source you trust ffs?

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The only reliable source is someone with a relevant university qualification in statistics or mathematical modelling.

And changing the ratings is not what the question from vadim was about. It was why userbenchmark scores shouldn't be used to compare amd and intel cpus.

Of the sites that you gave only Gamers Nexus has credibility for me. Though I'd agree with userbenchmark that forums are full of influencers, paid or unpaid. And many articles and forum posts don't pass the non-biased test. Most of the information is personal opinion presented as fact.
最后由 hawkeye 编辑于; 2020 年 6 月 23 日 上午 9:30
xSOSxHawkens 2020 年 6 月 23 日 上午 9:43 
引用自 hawkeye
引用自 xSOSxHawkens
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What *exactly* will you accept as a source? Do we have to go cherry pick somehting *only* from a source you trust ffs?

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The only reliable source is someone with a relevant university qualification in statistics or mathematical modelling.

And changing the ratings is not what the question from vadim was about. It was why userbenchmark scores shouldn't be used to compare amd and intel cpus.

Of the sites that you gave only Gamers Nexus has credibility for me. Though I'd agree with userbenchmark that forums are full of influencers, paid or unpaid. And many articles and forum posts don't pass the non-biased test. Most of the information is personal opinion presented as fact.

That standard of "realibale source" is both useless and non-applicable.

There are many that are qualified at a unicversitly level in statistics and mathematical modeling (arguably most) that would have little to no working knowledge of Userbench or of PC enthusiast compouting as a whole. Using the standard that they have to be university qulified in an area where there is no direct university qualification for such information is not a great way to argue for a valid source.

Its the same as saying that the only person who is a valid source on statistics about wallstreet is a university maths professor. Just because one knows statistics does not mean they understand the metta of a given field or how it affects an outcome.

Likewise, it does not take a university degree to be sucessfull in the IT field, nor does it take one to be a wallstreet investor. There are *many* highly qualified persons in both fields who can speak as experts in their fields despite not having degrees.

I would nto expect you, or anyone, to accept a single article, or to go off the work of just LTT or just Gamers nexus, or just toms hardware.

But I *do* think that those people and places are qualified to speak on these topics, far more so that you or I. Put simply, their words carry more weight than yours or mine on these topics sans proof otherwise. While I would not think it right for myself or any other to go off the word of one person or group, I think that when you are faced with multiple independant sources with the same concerns it puts the burden of proof on the non-bias argument on those wishing for it to be the truth.

In such a case it is now not if Userbench is bias or not, it seems to have been shown by multiple thjird parties to be bias, the argument is now on UBM to show they are *not* bias, something they have failed to do and isntead chosen to attack critics over.
hawkeye 2020 年 6 月 23 日 上午 10:16 
Disagree completely but I have 3 tertiary quals in modelling real-world systems.

But I repeat - vadim's question was why can't intel and amd cpus be compared? I know the answer and it's related to the applicability of math formulas nothing else.
Schickenwulf (Huhnhund) 2020 年 6 月 23 日 上午 10:26 
引用自 hawkeye
Disagree completely but I have 3 tertiary quals in modelling real-world systems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMvW-_pkX3Q

引用自 hawkeye
But I repeat - vadim's question was why can't intel and amd cpus be compared?

They can be. They're two products competing for the same consumers at the end of the day. Comparisons are inevitable.

引用自 hawkeye
I know the answer and it's related to the applicability of math formulas nothing else.

These are the kinds of things R&D types tell themselves so they can sleep at night.
r.linder 2020 年 6 月 23 日 下午 12:45 
引用自 hawkeye
Disagree completely but I have 3 tertiary quals in modelling real-world systems.

But I repeat - vadim's question was why can't intel and amd cpus be compared? I know the answer and it's related to the applicability of math formulas nothing else.
Nobody is saying they can't be compared, but UBM is not an accurate benchmark, and the owners are huge Intel fanboys.
vadim 2020 年 6 月 23 日 下午 2:31 
引用自 xSOSxHawkens
You turn down LTT, You turn down GamersNexus, you turn down Hardwareunboxxed

You turn down TomsHardware news articles (not forrums), you turn down notebook check, you turn down tweakdown.
Probably you need to learn to read. Including your own messages. Read more, write less.
dr_robert 2020 年 6 月 24 日 上午 12:44 
In the end i'm going for an i5 9400/Gigabyte H310M-A combo. Getting these two for 280USD :)
[☥] - CJ - 2020 年 6 月 24 日 上午 1:44 
I suppose thats a deal
But
If planning on upgrading in the future, getting a decent motherboard may help with that instead of relying on a purely cheap board

especially since with that board that CPU is supported in later BIOS versions not by default
The BIOS needs to be at least F4 for it to be usable with a 9000 series CPU, but not optimized for them until F10.

So a better board may be a good idea to avoid the possibility of not being able to use the CPU off the bat.
最后由 [☥] - CJ - 编辑于; 2020 年 6 月 24 日 上午 1:50
vadim 2020 年 6 月 24 日 上午 1:51 
引用自 ☥ - CJ -
If planning on upgrading in the future, getting a decent motherboard may help with that instead of relying on a purely cheap board
Never spend money for a possible upgrade. It almost never pays off. Do this only if you are absolutely sure that you will upgrade your PC in nearest future.
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