Greedy AMD

[🦜Cloud Boy🦜]

AMD just launched the Ryzen 3000 refresh. Called Ryzen 3900XT, 3800XT and 3600XT. With just a 100Mhz increased clock speed. With a hiked price 500, 400 and 250 dollars. And guess what, this time no cooler is included.

There is no 3700XT in the lineup. So, if you wanna buy an 8 core CPU, you have to pay 400 dollars for 3800XT and also pay for the cooler separately.


https://www.tomshardware.com/amp/news/amd-ryzen-xt-3000-processors-3900xt-499-3800xt-399-3600xt-249&ved=2ahUKEwjPl9GCmofqAhXLIbcAHQegBi4QiJQBMAF6BAgIEAg&usg=AOvVaw017mgkXkJS20Ma0FkPyNMp&ampcf=1


Also, they launched the B55 motherboard which is 50% more expensive than previous gen B450.

So, you are getting more expensive CPU, Motherboard and No cooler. congratulation AMD.
Welcome to the intel club.

[Carlsberg]

Messaggio originale di Escorve:

Don't focus on rumors that haven't been confirmed.
The only thing that has been confirmed are the refresh specs. Pretty much the real reason for the refresh is probably because Comet Lake came out much earlier than what will be Zen3, so it's funny that people are already acting like AMD just became Intel for doing one refresh of 3 CPUs.

And half the ppl that buy them will replace the stock cooler anyway.

[r.linder]

Messaggio originale di Carlsberg:

Messaggio originale di Escorve:

Don't focus on rumors that haven't been confirmed.
The only thing that has been confirmed are the refresh specs. Pretty much the real reason for the refresh is probably because Comet Lake came out much earlier than what will be Zen3, so it's funny that people are already acting like AMD just became Intel for doing one refresh of 3 CPUs.

And half the ppl that buy them will replace the stock cooler anyway.

The only people that keep them are the ones that don't care, and it's typically for the low end chips, I find.
Not like an i3 or celeron needs a 212 EVO.

[r.linder]

Messaggio originale di ⎛⎝ Cloud Boy ⎠⎞:

Another news-
Since AMD has launched the Ryzen 3000 series refresh.
The Ryzen 4000 is not coming anytime soon.
It has been postponed until next year.

https://wccftech.com/amd-allegedly-delaying-ryzen-4000-series-zen-3-cpus-to-2021/

It's a false rumour, and AMD debunked it. They literally announced right after that they are still on track to release Zen3 in Q4 as planned.

Messaggio originale di ⎛⎝ Cloud Boy ⎠⎞:

AMD just launched the Ryzen 3000 refresh. Called Ryzen 3900XT, 3800XT and 3600XT. With just a 100Mhz increased clock speed. With a hiked price 500, 400 and 250 dollars. And guess what, this time no cooler is included.

There is no 3700XT in the lineup. So, if you wanna buy an 8 core CPU, you have to pay 400 dollars for 3800XT and also pay for the cooler separately.


https://www.tomshardware.com/amp/news/amd-ryzen-xt-3000-processors-3900xt-499-3800xt-399-3600xt-249&ved=2ahUKEwjPl9GCmofqAhXLIbcAHQegBi4QiJQBMAF6BAgIEAg&usg=AOvVaw017mgkXkJS20Ma0FkPyNMp&ampcf=1


Also, they launched the B55 motherboard which is 50% more expensive than previous gen B450.

So, you are getting more expensive CPU, Motherboard and No cooler. congratulation AMD.
Welcome to the intel club.

1. The 3600XT and 3800XT have a 200 MHz clock boost, 3900XT has only 100 MHz because 200 MHz is harder to pull off on a 12 core chip while still staying within power spec.
The refreshed CPUs also support a 2000 MHz FCLK while the usual maximum is 1900 MHz, so users that want maximum performance without breaking the 1:1 ratio between the fabric and RAM are limited to 3800 MHz RAM on the current Zen2 chips, but the refresh allows for 4000 MHz.

2. So what if they don't include a cooler? Most of Intel's K chips don't either. Nothing new.
Also, guaranteed the people buying the refresh chips would be using a different cooler anyway, so not like it matters.

3. They didn't do a 3700XT because the refresh would end up being a 3800X... Use your brain, figure it out. If they made a 3700X with a higher clock speed, it'd end up being around the same as a 3800X.

4. Did you forget that Coronavirus is affecting supply and demand still, so prices are ♥♥♥♥♥♥ sideways? Everything is more expensive right now. Also, A520 is coming.

5. You're trying to bash AMD for "being Intel" why?

[XecuteR]

^^

We should not forget the effect of the pandemic on prices right from the littlest of common things to the most luxurious items.

[Magma Dragoon]

Messaggio originale di ⎛⎝ Cloud Boy ⎠⎞:

AMD just launched the Ryzen 3000 refresh. Called Ryzen 3900XT, 3800XT and 3600XT. With just a 100Mhz increased clock speed. With a hiked price 500, 400 and 250 dollars.

That's the same MSRP as the original lineup, not really accurate to call it a price hike

[kwi kwi]

Take a look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=-S3fm9OAlZ8

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqOCC65HkCQ

[Bad 💀 Motha]

So just buy a B450 or X570 board and whatever cpu you want. If you want Ryzen 4xxx series then you'll have to pay the premiums for B550 or X570, so what.

[🦜Cloud Boy🦜]

Everybody knows intel has more gaming performance. But people still loved Ryzen because Ryzen offered more value for the money. That's what made Ryzen different from intel.

But now with this New Ryzen refresh, **You have to spend more money on the CPU** and also for **expensive B550 motherboard** and Also **NO Cooler** is included. Those are the main points that all Ryzen Fanboys were screaming about intel for so long.

Not much of a value anymore. They are on the same boat now.

[_I_]

ryzen was a huge jump from fx
intel has still been making many small improvements every gen, just not as noticeable as fx -> ryzen

[vadim]

Messaggio originale di Cathulhu:

Intel more powerful? Only marginally in IPC by consuming more power and producing more heat. It's the Pentium IV Prescott all over again.

You should learn CPU microarchitecture.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Messaggio originale di ⎛⎝ Cloud Boy ⎠⎞:

Everybody knows intel has more gaming performance. But people still loved Ryzen because Ryzen offered more value for the money. That's what made Ryzen different from intel.

But now with this New Ryzen refresh, **You have to spend more money on the CPU** and also for **expensive B550 motherboard** and Also **NO Cooler** is included. Those are the main points that all Ryzen Fanboys were screaming about intel for so long.

Not much of a value anymore. They are on the same boat now.

Yes but Ryzen can also do "work" stuff way better than Intel consumer line-ups, as well as game AND stream better when done on the same PC, which greatly opens the doors to those who wish to live stream on a tighter budget, or simply allow that consumer to spend money elsewhere on better accessories for their stream. I know plenty of Twitch streamers who already had great setups and moved to say, a Ryzen 3800X and they say it has proved it's worth greatly.

[Revolution Idol]

The included cooler is nice to use as a stopgap measure, but it really should be replaced with a better one anyways.

And tbh, the libertarian in me says they've earned it. You're not (yet) witnessing the abuse of a dominant market position. Demand has clearly risen for AMD processors in the past few years, in no small part due to them taking a smaller margin than Intel and giving the consumer a way better deal - surely a small increase in price is deserved.

Call me when we're like, ten years into the refreshes and die shrinks of an ageing architecture with ever increasing prices. That'll be the day AMD is as bad as Intel.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

I always just keep stock cooler in the cpu box as a tester or backup, and toss in a better one. Even a Hyper212 EVO V2 or something similar from BeQuiet or some others do the job much better without spending much more on tge system as a whole.

You also don't need a B550 board unless you plan on getting a Ryzen 4xxx series cpu, which will be at a Premium I'm sure because of the newer, better architecture. But we'd still need to wait until those release and see how they stack up against previous Ryzen offerings, as well as Intel performance per pricing.

So unless you really are stepping up to a Ryzen 4xxx series at some point there is no need to even get a B550 or X570 board, aside from PCIE 4.0, which again is only a feature for even faster M2 SSDs at this point in time. A decent feature packed B450 or X470 board that's a newer refresh designed to be Ryzen 3xxx series READ out of the box would do just fine. Don't count out X470 because if you need multiple NVME M2 slots, that is most likely the type of board to look at if not feeling the need for Ryzen 4xxx series

[🦜Cloud Boy🦜]

Messaggio originale di Bad 💀 Motha:

Yes but Ryzen can also do "work" stuff way better than Intel consumer line-ups,

Not anymore after the launching of intel 10th gen desktop lineups where intel has Hyper threading on all CPUs.

Ryzen 3800XT and intel i7 10700K both 8 cores /16 thread CPU. Both costs $400.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

You don't need an XT when a 3700X or 3800X does just fine and provides the same performance as even the best 10th Gen CPU does.

Pretty much all the gaming benchmarks only puts the highest end Intel 10th Gen cpus, even the 10900K at only a few fps ahead of a 3700X. In many cases the 3700X even outperforms 3900X in straight up gaming.