ASUS confirms that Coffee Lake does work with Z270...'technically'

[CursedPanther]

It's quite clear about what Intel is trying to pull here with the 8th gen Core products at this point, but now we have an official representative of ASUS confirming the very rumor the PC community has been suspecting all along:

https://www.bit-tech.net/features/tech/motherboards/asus-interview-andrew-wu-rog-motherboard-pm/1/

Trying to look at this positively is that if the Coffee Lake and Z370 sales figures do meet Intel's target, there will be a chance Intel to reconsider reopening this technical option for Z270 one day. However it's safe to assume that the time won't arrive in the near future.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Why does this feel like it's bait, or that the really expensive boards will be getting that kind of support.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

It won't be possible. Coffeelake CPUS have LGA1151, but the way the pinouts are totally different from for its predecessors Skylake and Kabelake. 300 series chipset boards are NOT going to be usable by Skylake or Kabelake like the 200 series chipsets were.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Автор сообщения: Dr.Shadowds 🐉

Why does this feel like it's bait, or that the really expensive boards will be getting that kind of support.

Unfortunately it's not bait. What's annoying is that some people had suggested to users who have no experience with PC's to get a Z370 motherboard for their Kabelake CPU.

[CursedPanther]

Автор сообщения: Dr.Shadowds 🐉

Why does this feel like it's bait, or that the really expensive boards will be getting that kind of support.

Well the Z270 boards won't be 'really expensive' anymore if that day comes eventually.

I suspect ASUS would have received a few unhappy phone calls from Intel PR for making such statements.

Автор сообщения: 🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh

It won't be possible. Coffeelake CPUS have LGA1151, but the way the pinouts are totally different from for its predecessors Skylake and Kabelake. 300 series chipset boards are NOT going to be usable by Skylake or Kabelake like the 200 series chipsets were.

Why are you suddenly talking about Skylake and Kabelake?

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

They want to release 8-core Coffee Lakes later and Z270 can not handle 8-core, this is prob main reason besides the usual greed reason they didnt want it to work with Z270 because technically the 6-cores should have worked with it.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Автор сообщения: CursedPanther

Автор сообщения: Dr.Shadowds 🐉

Why does this feel like it's bait, or that the really expensive boards will be getting that kind of support.

Well the Z270 boards won't be 'really expensive' anymore if that day comes eventually.

I suspect ASUS would have received a few unhappy phone calls from Intel PR for making such statements.

Автор сообщения: 🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh

It won't be possible. Coffeelake CPUS have LGA1151, but the way the pinouts are totally different from its predecessors Skylake and Kabelake. 300 series chipset boards are NOT going to be usable by Skylake or Kabelake like the 200 series chipsets were.

Why are you suddenly talking about Skylake and Kabelake?

Because people have gotten confused and told others that Coffelake's chipset (300 series or Z370) is backwards compatible, like Kabelake's (the Z270) had been with Skylake, through a bios update when the pin positions are preventing any sort of backward compatibility in the first place.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Автор сообщения: Rumpelcrutchskin

They want to release 8-core Coffee Lakes later and Z270 can not handle 8-core, this is prob main reason besides the usual greed reason they didnt want it to work with Z270 because technically the 6-cores should have worked with it.

The type of greed you speak of was, until Ryzen came out, a standard practice for AMD.

[CursedPanther]

Автор сообщения: Rumpelcrutchskin

They want to release 8-core Coffee Lakes later and Z270 can not handle 8-core, this is prob main reason besides the usual greed reason they didnt want it to work with Z270 because technically the 6-cores should have worked with it.

Quite true. Yet the general consumer group has got used to oct-core product bracket being aimed at the enthusiast market, i.e. the X boards, some time ago. The 8700K would be a welcoming enough addition to the Z270 to be honest.

Автор сообщения: 🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh

Автор сообщения: CursedPanther

Why are you suddenly talking about Skylake and Kabelake?

Because people have gotten confused and told others that Coffelake's chipset (300 series or Z370) is backwards compatible, like Kabelake's (the Z270) had been with Skylake, through a bios update when the pin positions are preventing any sort of backward compatibility in the first place.

Right this isn't what this topic is about, like at all.

[Monk]

No one has said 300 series is backward compatible, infact, you are the only one I have ever seen say people have said it and this news from Asus isn't new, Intel engineers have said early on they got it working, but it wasn't stable, hence the huge expense for no extra profit socket / board.

[CursedPanther]

Автор сообщения: Monk

No one has said 300 series is backward compatible, infact, you are the only one I have ever seen say people have said it and this news from Asus isn't new, Intel engineers have said early on they got it working, but it wasn't stable, hence the huge expense for no extra profit socket / board.

Every Intel staff will have to maintain a uniform statement if they want to keep their jobs. Are you honestly believing the stuff Intel claims down to the last word these days?

[Monk]

I believe in sane business practices, no business spends millions of dollars developing a new socket, which will limit sales to those with older motherboards, thus lowering their sales and profit if they don't have to.
Intel make no money off of motherboards, so the change dud nothing but cost them money.

Do you really think a company wastes money for no reason ?

I mean Intel even admired they got it working on z270 but the stability and other issues meant they wouldn't sell them as is. Remember, if they say it will work on z270, it has to work on EVERY z270 from the ultra crap budget offerings up to the top end, if it doesn't work due to stability on one of them, they can't sell it as working on z270.

Edit
It's pretty basic business, you don't spend money if you don't have to.

[[☥] - CJ -]

Автор сообщения: Monk

I believe in sane business practices, no business spends millions of dollars developing a new socket, which will limit sales to those with older motherboards, thus lowering their sales and profit if they don't have to.
Intel make no money off of motherboards, so the change dud nothing but cost them money.

Do you really think a company wastes money for no reason ?

I mean Intel even admired they got it working on z270 but the stability and other issues meant they wouldn't sell them as is. Remember, if they say it will work on z270, it has to work on EVERY z270 from the ultra crap budget offerings up to the top end, if it doesn't work due to stability on one of them, they can't sell it as working on z270.

A company will spend or waste money how they see fit if in the end it serves their purpose.

[Monk]

Spending money on a new design at the cost of sales isn't something any company would do without a reason, the early reports from Intel engineers actually make sense and explain the situation pretty well.

You have to remember, if they say it will work, and some crap low end board doesn't, they then have a poopstorm on their hands.
If Intel made money off motherboards, like they did years ago when they sold them, the whole conspiracy would make sense, but all z370 did and has done us cost them more money than if it wasn't needed.

[CursedPanther]

Автор сообщения: Monk

I mean Intel even admired they got it working on z270 but the stability and other issues meant they wouldn't sell them as is. Remember, if they say it will work on z270, it has to work on EVERY z270 from the ultra crap budget offerings up to the top end, if it doesn't work due to stability on one of them, they can't sell it as working on z270.

I see your point there. Any rollout plan, if possible, is hypothetical at the moment. The details will have to be ironed out completely.

[𝔇ave]

i honestly dont see the point in this.. a new gen cpu range should be paired with a new gen motherboard chipset.. this is like me complaining i cant use coffeelake on my ivybridge board...