Z300 series motherboard

[Kumoko]

any ideas what mobo i should go planning to get 8th gen to gift myself on xmas lol will be good if there is a cpu bundle like cpu mobo or all 3 cpu mobo ram that someone can link me

[Monk]

No one is suggesting it does have hyperthreading, they also aren't breaking any laws (admitedly before it's launch I did say that I had read rumours that the new i3 may of been getting hyperthreading, but that was a rumour only never stated as a fact).
The 4c/4t is simply how people list CPU's, counting threads as a a total including the core count.
Which is why a ryzen 1700 is a 6c/12t and not 6 cores with an extra 6 threads, which, would be more accurate, I agree.
So 4c/4t is 4 total, taken from the threads while 4c/8t of the older i7's us 4 cores with 4 extra threads making a total of 8 threads, not 12 as if you were to add them, which seems to be the mistake you are making.

[tacoshy]

🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh eredeti hozzászólása:

How about the amount of heat produced by those things....not much improvemnt there. Users from this point are btter off with Ryzen. Oh and a note about the top tier 8th gen Core i3...it lacks hyperthreading....My Core i7 6700K can outstrip it..

oh an i7 twice as expensive can outperforma budget i3 for half the cost? wow you dont say.

then how about you compare 8th gen i7 with your 6600K? 50% more cores, 50% more thread as it also has hyperthreading. And single core boost to 4.7GHz at stock unlike your 4.2GHz at stock and that for the same price. Superior in every single category.

we just compare an i3 8th Gen. to an i5 6th / 7th Gen. as both are 4c/4t CPU's and therefor have simliar performance. However and i5 8th Gen outperforms already your i7-6700K at cheaper cost because it has 50% more cores and therefor in multicore support 50% compared to an i5 6th / 7th Gen more performance while an i7 only provides about 30% perormance boost to 6th /7 th gen i5 as HT is not as good as real cores.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

tacoshy eredeti hozzászólása:

🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh eredeti hozzászólása:

How about the amount of heat produced by those things....not much improvemnt there. Users from this point are btter off with Ryzen. Oh and a note about the top tier 8th gen Core i3...it lacks hyperthreading....My Core i7 6700K can outstrip it..

oh an i7 twice as expensive can outperforma budget i3 for half the cost? wow you dont say.

then how about you compare 8th gen i7 with your 6600K? 50% more cores, 50% more thread as it also has hyperthreading. And single core boost to 4.7GHz at stock unlike your 4.2GHz at stock and that for the same price. Superior in every single category.

we just compare an i3 8th Gen. to an i5 6th / 7th Gen. as both are 4c/4t CPU's and therefor have simliar performance. However and i5 8th Gen outperforms already your i7-6700K at cheaper cost because it has 50% more cores and therefor in multicore support 50% compared to an i5 6th / 7th Gen more performance while an i7 only provides about 30% perormance boost to 6th /7 th gen i5 as HT is not as good as real cores.

The price of the 6600K is dictated by demand by now...there is a short supply of that CPU and when I got it, it only cost me $250 USD. You don't need to have an attitude.

Monk eredeti hozzászólása:

Again, it's socket 1151 V2 not socket 1151.
Both Intel and AMD only change socket types with a good reason for it, they don't profit off of motherboards, changing socket ONLY costs them money, I can guarantee you, if any company doesn't need to spend money, they won't.

Edit.
Why would they be better with ryzen ? Both platforms have their strengths and weaknesses, for gaming, Intel has taken back the lead.

There is no scam, there are no lizard people in the centre of the earth, and while we're at it, the earth isnt flat.

AMD is coming off of the "confuse the consumers to make more money" phaze and seem to now have better ethics involving customer service.

[Monk]

Plus, an overclocked i3 8350k will beat a 6700k in single threaded tasks.
Hey, don't feel bad, it's just the way tech goes, hell, my £1100 7900X 10c/20t behemoth is beaten by 7700k in single core duties due to the latency added by the new mesh architecture over ringbus and in most games the 8700k is faster also.

🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh eredeti hozzászólása:

Monk eredeti hozzászólása:

Again, it's socket 1151 V2 not socket 1151.
Both Intel and AMD only change socket types with a good reason for it, they don't profit off of motherboards, changing socket ONLY costs them money, I can guarantee you, if any company doesn't need to spend money, they won't.

Edit.
Why would they be better with ryzen ? Both platforms have their strengths and weaknesses, for gaming, Intel has taken back the lead.

There is no scam, there are no lizard people in the centre of the earth, and while we're at it, the earth isnt flat.

AMD is coming off of the "confuse the consumers to make more money" phaze and seem to now have better ethics involving customer service.

As an actual investor in AMD, that wasn't ever a goal of theirs, they gambled on the development of many small cores, it failed, it took them a while to develop the new architecture to be competitive once more.

[tacoshy]

🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh eredeti hozzászólása:

tacoshy eredeti hozzászólása:

oh an i7 twice as expensive can outperforma budget i3 for half the cost? wow you dont say.

then how about you compare 8th gen i7 with your 6600K? 50% more cores, 50% more thread as it also has hyperthreading. And single core boost to 4.7GHz at stock unlike your 4.2GHz at stock and that for the same price. Superior in every single category.

we just compare an i3 8th Gen. to an i5 6th / 7th Gen. as both are 4c/4t CPU's and therefor have simliar performance. However and i5 8th Gen outperforms already your i7-6700K at cheaper cost because it has 50% more cores and therefor in multicore support 50% compared to an i5 6th / 7th Gen more performance while an i7 only provides about 30% perormance boost to 6th /7 th gen i5 as HT is not as good as real cores.

The price of the 6600K is dictated by demand by now...there is a short supply of that CPU and when I got it, it only cost me $250 USD. You don't need to have an attitude.

which then was a special offer. an i7-6700K always cost around 400$ for the same price you get a 7700K which currently in europe sells around ~320$ while an i7-8700K offers way more performance at the same starting price of ~400$.


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I got my high end motherboard which normally cost more then 600$ for 300$ now everyone has to buy it because all other motherboards are bad compared to it. I know you wont get it for 300$ as me have to pay at least 550$ now but thats is the only motherboard you should take.

You would disagree with the comment so would everyone. But thats basically what you doing the entire time just that you recommend aged, outdated stuff over stronger newer stuff because you got yours for a special price that nobody else will now get. (not to mention that the 6700K isnt produced anymore and only sued or leftover stocks are sold).

Monk eredeti hozzászólása:

🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh eredeti hozzászólása:

AMD is coming off of the "confuse the consumers to make more money" phaze and seem to now have better ethics involving customer service.

As an actual investor in AMD, that wasn't ever a goal of theirs, they gambled on the development of many small cores, it failed, it took them a while to develop the new architecture to be competitive once more.

AMD had to fire more then 1/3 of all their employees because they couldnt pay them. with it a large protion of their R&D department. they would have been at a point of bancrupcy befor Ryzen because of many failure. Luckily they didnt because they barely cold held their head over water with producing console chips. And luckily their last try to get back into the game and not get wiped from the market was Ryzen. Their next try to catch up to Nvidia with the Vega also failed. And we can only hope that they can stay in the game with Ryzen and Zen 2 so that neither Intel nor Nvidia gets 100% controll over the market.

So AMD is a long story of many failures and lucky events that held them in the game not something that is totally superior otherwise they wouldnt only have a very tiny amount of marketshares.

[Kumoko]

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Unity Chan eredeti hozzászólása:

i dont think ill b needing pcpart picker as i already have my stuff. reason y i want a new pc also mobo is my cpu is bottlenecking my gpu lol anyway the i7 8700 is just 10$ more then i7 7700k and performs better according to benchmarks

What are your current specs?

as for cpu its an i5 4th gen paired with a 1080ti ill basically need a whole new mobo and cpu its ok recieving more ideas is better as for the temps from what ive read from the comments i dont think thats a really problem as long as u have good cooling after all i want performance i probly oc when needed i probably wont have 2 though

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Unity Chan eredeti hozzászólása:

🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh eredeti hozzászólása:

What are your current specs?

as for cpu its an i5 4th gen paired with a 1080ti ill basically need a whole new mobo and cpu its ok recieving more ideas is better as for the temps from what ive read from the comments i dont think thats a really problem as long as u have good cooling after all i want performance i probly oc when needed i probably wont have 2 though

With regards, I would go with a Kabelake or Skylake i7 7700K or i7 67000K....on a Z270 motherboard or Z170 motherboard. The cheaper priced motherboard may be good for budget concerns and it causes no real problems between compatibility with each other.

A good cooling solution is totally up to the user. You'll find cooling solutions less bulky for Kabelake and Skylake CPU's as well. The thing is that Coffelake has a lower TDP (aka Wattage) tolerance and therefore a lower tolerance to heat generated by Turboboost and hyperthreaddding. Temperatures will reach 88C on normal load...which is not good in terms of thermals.

[Monk]

The op has a 1080ti and us looking at the new 300 boards so budget isn't an issue so why do you keep suggesting older kit ?

Edit.

That's also not what tdp is, and all 3 sockets use the same coolers, they all also get to similar temps when overclocked under full load

[tacoshy]

You know what turbo Boost is and how it works?

You disable cores and transfer the TDP to other cores so they can auto overclock. To reach the listed Boost Clock all cores are disabled to get the last core run as high as possible. With Coffee Lake you can disable 5 cores why it boost so incredible high to 4.7GHz. Neither Skylake nor Coffee Lake can keep up with this because they only have 3 cores to disable.

TDP in its very basic is the heat one core is allowed to produce. Coffee Lake seems to have slow TDP but it is because of 6 cores. If you add them up they are not worse then Skylake or Kabylake.

All 3 generation have the exact same size and fittings for a cooler. So no generation has an advantage since they exactly fit the same coolers.

[Monk]

Also, the reason coffee can look very hot as standard is if the reviewer uses an Asus board their MCE is on by default with the z370, seems it's not meant to be, which makes all cores boost to the max turbo boost not 1, so those temps are 6 cores at 4.7GHz, which, isn't really that bad.

[Kumoko]

Monk eredeti hozzászólása:

Also, the reason coffee can look very hot as standard is if the reviewer uses an Asus board their MCE is on by default with the z370, seems it's not meant to be, which makes all cores boost to the max turbo boost not 1, so those temps are 6 cores at 4.7GHz, which, isn't really that bad.

so its better to get the gigabyte or the MSI? then asus

[Monk]

Not really, it's a setting that can be turned off and likely will be off by default with future bios updates.
All the main boards are as good as each other, personally I like asus and MSI, and it's advisable to take an hour and manually over clock making the MCE stuff meaningless anyway.
I'd go with the one you like the look of in your price range that has the features you want, as there is alot of crossover between all the companies at each price point.