Z300 series motherboard

[Kumoko]

any ideas what mobo i should go planning to get 8th gen to gift myself on xmas lol will be good if there is a cpu bundle like cpu mobo or all 3 cpu mobo ram that someone can link me

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Monk:

The reason they aren't is they have different pins used for power etc, Intel doesn't profit from forcing a new motherboard, infact, it costs them, early reports suggest they could get it running, but stability wasn't great or reliable, so, when they need things to be stable and reliable as a standard, they chose to lock it so it will only run on the new boards.
Put it this way, companies are greedy and after profit. They would of made more and more sales, and not had to spend millions on r&d and development if they had just let it work on older boards, so, for a company not to do so, suggests a legit reason for it .

I am sure you would love to know Intel's explanation for this that most tech experts are not really buying as factual...but in terms of moneymaking, yeah it is a (insert phalic slang here) move on Intel's part. I am actually very surprised by that move too because that was something AMD was known for back in their AMD Athelon K6 days.

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Diposting pertama kali oleh 🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh:

All that v-2 means is something bloked off in the circuitry that still exists like it alweays has. In other words, they basically removed the logic leads in the dye that would allow Skylake and Kabelake to run on the Z370 chipset.

no means it is just a new circuit/socket just by coincident has the same number as pins. Because itel names their socket on the number on pins unlike AMD which list them cronolically

In other words a different pin configuration. They are trying to be what AMD was in the past lol Not a good thing.

[Monk]

You have now lost me completely, it is a new board, because it needed to be, so it would work.
Doing so cost millions over using the existing boards.
Businesses don't tend to spend millions when they don't need to.
Especially, when doing so, will limit their sales costing them more money.
When you consider these basics, it strongly suggests a legitimate NEED to go with a new board.

[tacoshy]

so if Intel would call their LGA-1151: IN3 and now their 8th and 9th generation Socket IN4 instead of 1151-v2 it would be ok?

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Diposting pertama kali oleh tacoshy:

so if Intel would call their LGA-1151: IN3 and now their 8th and 9th generation Socket IN4 instead of 1151-v2 it would be ok?

Well to differentiate the difference in compatibility...it would at least be prudent of them to do that.

[tacoshy]

so changing the name would make all the way how hardware works now makee ok. So your only problem why Intel 8th gen. is bad is the name of the socket. Now I understand you.

[Monk]

That's what the V2 part is about ...

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Monk:

That's what the V2 part is about ...

It is the entire reason I am upset about Coffeelake. The "v2" is a change in the how the pins are connected. Normally between Skylake and Kabelake, that pinout is exactly the same shape and cirucitry...which alows Kabelake to run on Z170 chipsets and viceversa with Skylake on Z270 chipsets. The pinout lable given to Coffeelake's poredecessors is LGA1151.....All three generations from the Skylake archtecture have been labled as LGA1151 ...but with Coffeelake, and remember Intel labled it as LGA1151, but rearranged the pinouts to make sure that neither Skylak nor Kabaelake would run on the Z370 Chipset. It violates standards and consumer fairness practices on soooo many levels in that regard. When I was just graduating US High School back in 2004, AMD started doing that same thing to make sure that the pinouts of one CPU class would differ from other CPU classes so users could not use the same CPU on their upgraded motherboard in spite of the same number of pins being present for each class. Intel is doing that and calling it "Generations". In the tech world, A generation of CPU's usually signifies a change in architecture...not in pinout of said arcitecture...and Intel is purposely trying to confuse users into thinking that the architecture has changed with the platform when it really hasn't.

The bigger point is that the United States has (or mehtinks with the current administration in place getting rid of them, used to have) laws against such measures and tactics that would cause confusion for the end user. It also violates basic CompTIA standards and practices. AMD no longer does this and I think my next CPU upgrade will be with them in spite of the cost of a new motherborad down the road.

[tacoshy]

Diposting pertama kali oleh 🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Monk:

That's what the V2 part is about ...

It is the entire reason I am upset about Coffeelake. the "v2" is a change in the how the pins are connected. Normally between Skylake and Kabelake, that pinout is exactly the same shape. The pinout lable given to Coffeelake's poredecessors is LGA1151.....All three generations from have LGA1151 ...but with Coffeelake, Intel labled it as LGA1151, but rearranged the pinouts to make sure that neither Skylak nor Kabaelake would run on the Z370 Chipset. It violates standards and consumer fairness practices on soooo many levels in that regard. When I was just graduating US High School back in 2004, AMD started doing that same thing to make sure that the pinouts of one CPU class would differ from other CPU classes so users could not use the same CPU on their upgraded motherboard in spite of the same number of pins being present for each class. Intel is doing that and calling it "Generations". In the tech world, A generation of CPU's usually signifies a change in architecture...not in pinout of said arcitecture...and Intel is purposely trying to confuse users into thinking that the architecture has changed with the platform when it really hasn't.

thats what I and the other explained but you not udnerstand. Intel names the socket after the number of pins since the last 7 generations and only use 2 generations on one socket. They tried to make it possible to run the 8th gen also on the same socket but failed and created a new socket which however ended up having the same number of pins. same is done befor on enthusiast/workstation chipsets too. So your only issue is the name which doesnt make the 8th gen bad.

If I rename the AMD Bulldozer to AMD Superspeeder it does not magically end up in a better or worse CPU.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Diposting pertama kali oleh tacoshy:

Diposting pertama kali oleh 🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh:

It is the entire reason I am upset about Coffeelake. the "v2" is a change in the how the pins are connected. Normally between Skylake and Kabelake, that pinout is exactly the same shape. The pinout lable given to Coffeelake's poredecessors is LGA1151.....All three generations from have LGA1151 ...but with Coffeelake, Intel labled it as LGA1151, but rearranged the pinouts to make sure that neither Skylak nor Kabaelake would run on the Z370 Chipset. It violates standards and consumer fairness practices on soooo many levels in that regard. When I was just graduating US High School back in 2004, AMD started doing that same thing to make sure that the pinouts of one CPU class would differ from other CPU classes so users could not use the same CPU on their upgraded motherboard in spite of the same number of pins being present for each class. Intel is doing that and calling it "Generations". In the tech world, A generation of CPU's usually signifies a change in architecture...not in pinout of said arcitecture...and Intel is purposely trying to confuse users into thinking that the architecture has changed with the platform when it really hasn't.

thats what I and the other explained but you not udnerstand. Intel names the socket after the number of pins since the last 7 generations and only use 2 generations on one socket. They tried to make it possible to run the 8th gen also on the same socket but failed and created a new socket which however ended up having the same number of pins. same is done befor on enthusiast/workstation chipsets too. So your only issue is the name which doesnt make the 8th gen bad.

If I rename the AMD Bulldozer to AMD Superspeeder it does not magically end up in a better or worse CPU.

I applogize about the misunderstanding...but by all means the practice by which Intel has partaken in is quite disturbing. Skylake's architecture change was complete support for DDR4 RAM modules. Neither Kabelake nor Coffeelake made such changes relating to arcitecture...only in clock speed and dye circuitry. What Intel has done is a sham and in regard to the OP, they are better off using an AMD Ryzen over an Intel 300 series Chipset-based CPU.

[Monk]

Again, it's socket 1151 V2 not socket 1151.
Both Intel and AMD only change socket types with a good reason for it, they don't profit off of motherboards, changing socket ONLY costs them money, I can guarantee you, if any company doesn't need to spend money, they won't.

Edit.
Why would they be better with ryzen ? Both platforms have their strengths and weaknesses, for gaming, Intel has taken back the lead.

There is no scam, there are no lizard people in the centre of the earth, and while we're at it, the earth isnt flat.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Monk:

Again, it's socket 1151 V2 not socket 1151.
Both Intel and AMD only change socket types with a good reason for it, they don't profit off of motherboards, changing socket ONLY costs them money, I can guarantee you, if any company doesn't need to spend money, they won't.

It is not labled as "*LGA* 1151 V2" in any literature other than what the tech media has dubbed it. Intel's own tecnical documents even lable it as merely "LGA 1151"...and there is no hint to the difference in pinout beyond a vauge "because it won't run Skylake and Kabelake". There are multiple countries in the EU that do have laws against that...including Germany if I am not mistaken.

[tacoshy]

Diposting pertama kali oleh 🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh:

Diposting pertama kali oleh tacoshy:

thats what I and the other explained but you not udnerstand. Intel names the socket after the number of pins since the last 7 generations and only use 2 generations on one socket. They tried to make it possible to run the 8th gen also on the same socket but failed and created a new socket which however ended up having the same number of pins. same is done befor on enthusiast/workstation chipsets too. So your only issue is the name which doesnt make the 8th gen bad.

If I rename the AMD Bulldozer to AMD Superspeeder it does not magically end up in a better or worse CPU.

I applogize about the misunderstanding...but the proactice by which Intel has partaken in is quite disturbing. Skylake's architecture change was complete support for DDR4 RAM modules. Neither Kabelake nor Coffeelake made such changes relating to arcitecture...only in clock speed and dye circuitry. What Intel has done is a sham and in regard to the OP, they are better off using an AMD Ryzen over an Intel Z370 Chipset CPU.

Kaby Lake uses the same socket and of course uses DDR4 then too...

The same was betwen 4th and 5th Generation (shared the same socket with no huge improvements despite clock speeds) and so on aslong we rember Intel. Now 8th Gen uses a new socket and the 9th mabye will share Z370 Socket too but there is currently also a good chance it will another socket.

and it is unsurprising that 8th and 9th generation ahve no major improvement in RAM as DDR5 doesnt exist yet (an no GDDR5 nor GDDR6 is not DDR5). Also the major improvement in 8th gen consumer platform is the reclassification:

1-7th gen:
i3 = 2c/4t
i5 = 4c/4t
i7 = 4c/8t

8th gen:
i3 = 4c/4t (old i5)
i5 = 6c/6t
i7 = 6c/12t


calling a 50% increase in cores and threads not a major improvement? What else is it then?

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Diposting pertama kali oleh tacoshy:

Diposting pertama kali oleh 🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh:

I applogize about the misunderstanding...but the proactice by which Intel has partaken in is quite disturbing. Skylake's architecture change was complete support for DDR4 RAM modules. Neither Kabelake nor Coffeelake made such changes relating to arcitecture...only in clock speed and dye circuitry. What Intel has done is a sham and in regard to the OP, they are better off using an AMD Ryzen over an Intel Z370 Chipset CPU.

Kaby Lake uses the same socket and of course uses DDR4 then too...

The same was betwen 4th and 5th Generation (shared the same socket with no huge improvements despite clock speeds) and so on aslong we rember Intel. Now 8th Gen uses a new socket and the 9th mabye will share Z370 Socket too but there is currently also a good chance it will another socket.

and it is unsurprising that 8th and 9th generation ahve no major improvement in RAM as DDR5 doesnt exist yet (an no GDDR5 nor GDDR6 is not DDR5). Also the major improvement in 8th gen consumer platform is the reclassification:

1-7th gen:
i3 = 2c/4t
i5 = 4c/4t
i7 = 4c/8t

8th gen:
i3 = 4c/4t (old i5)
i5 = 6c/6t
i7 = 6c/12t


calling a 50% increase in cores and threads not a major improvement? What else is it then?

How about the amount of heat produced by those things....not much improvemnt there. Users from this point are btter off with Ryzen. Oh and a note about the top tier 8th gen Core i3...it lacks hyperthreading....My Core i7 6700K can outstrip it..

[Monk]

In most documents they refer to it as 8th generation over socket type, though, this still isn't an issue in the slightest, and you seem to be the first one I've seen who is really confused over it.

[TehSpoopyKitteh]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Monk:

In most documents they refer to it as 8th generation over socket type, though, this still isn't an issue in the slightest, and you seem to be the first one I've seen who is really confused over it.

The socket type between Kabelake and Skylake is identical. Try not to forget that such changes in pinout are usually (and actually have been) documneted by Intel each time they have done it within a socket type...but they seem to have skipped that idea with the 8th generation CPU's. The confusion comes from a lot more people than you think though. I have seen people on this thread suggest users using Kabelake to OP's to upgrade to Coffeelake using a Z270 chipset...which is NOT possible to do. So I am not exactly alone there.