Z300 series motherboard
any ideas what mobo i should go planning to get 8th gen to gift myself on xmas lol will be good if there is a cpu bundle like cpu mobo or all 3 cpu mobo ram that someone can link me
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I would look then into cashback programs or bundles. The change from time to time so you have to check when buying. But in the end a motherboard is just a motherboard unless you want special stuff liek special RGB lightning or the integrated soundcard of Aorus (yes slap me BM).
What kind of budget are you looking to spend? And what kind of CPU were you looking at?

Generally I'd recommend MSI. Their build quality is very good, they usually have great BIOS design and there's an attention to detail that I really like. EVGA are another good choice(assuming they still make boards) as are Gigabyte.

I would caution against Asrock, they have a somewhat bad reputation for defective boards. And from my own personal experience I would caution against Asus, I've had terrible experiences with them over the last year. Every device I've bought from them has been below retail standard in some way, usually arriving with damage or defects. That would be OK if they offered good support, but they don't. Their customer care here in Australia is shockingly bad.
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What kind of budget are you looking to spend? And what kind of CPU were you looking at?

Generally I'd recommend MSI. Their build quality is very good, they usually have great BIOS design and there's an attention to detail that I really like. EVGA are another good choice(assuming they still make boards) as are Gigabyte.

I would caution against Asrock, they have a somewhat bad reputation for defective boards. And from my own personal experience I would caution against Asus, I've had terrible experiences with them over the last year. Every device I've bought from them has been below retail standard in some way, usually arriving with damage or defects. That would be OK if they offered good support, but they don't. Their customer care here in Australia is shockingly bad.

I agree ont he AsRock point but best Bios has Asus while Aorus (Premium Gigabyte line) and Asus offers the best build quality and mostly using the better components. MSI is a ncie allrounder which I personally doesnt like to much compared to Asus or Aorus. Also it depends on the region and custumer support for me. MSI support in my town is terrible.
Messaggio originale di Wolfıe:
What kind of budget are you looking to spend? And what kind of CPU were you looking at?

Generally I'd recommend MSI. Their build quality is very good, they usually have great BIOS design and there's an attention to detail that I really like. EVGA are another good choice(assuming they still make boards) as are Gigabyte.

I would caution against Asrock, they have a somewhat bad reputation for defective boards. And from my own personal experience I would caution against Asus, I've had terrible experiences with them over the last year. Every device I've bought from them has been below retail standard in some way, usually arriving with damage or defects. That would be OK if they offered good support, but they don't. Their customer care here in Australia is shockingly bad.
I5 mostly unless somewhat i had extra to get an i7 8700 i have been using MSI for the past year im in australia too ;3
My best advice is to keep a cool head, and work out what you actually need and want.

Since you're aiming at i5 territory, you don't actually need a high-end board. Expensive boards are tailored for Overclocking, and if you're not doing that you're free to look at middle and lower range boards without suffering any loss of performance.

A couple of things to keep in mind;

> Don't bother buying a Wi-Fi motherboard. You can slap a massive Wi-FI antenna onto any normal motherboard via the PCI-E slots. Typically these aftermarket kits give better download speeds and cost less than buying a Wi-Fi board to begin with.

> Even if you're only running one Graphics Card, having a couple of PCI-E slots is always nice. They're useful for all kinds of accessories, from Wi-Fi cards to blazing fast NVME data drives.

> Extra USB slots are a godsend, especially USB3. It's worth paying a little extra for a couple more slots, never know when you'll need them.

> Size matters. Full-fat ATX motherboards have more space for accessories than smaller Micro-ATX and Mini ITX boards, but they're more expensive. Think about what matters more - price or ability to pile on accessories.

> Military Grade Unobtanium/Expensium Alloy Capactiors with 999999999 hour lifespans look amazing on a specs sheet, but you don't actually need 'em for a reliable PC. Any Nippon Chemi-Con(best brand) capacitor will do absolutely fine, you're not going to abuse the board enough or use it for long enough to justify Military Caps as a necessity.

> Zorktanium motherboard heatsinks and extra fans are only useful if your CPU is running furnace hot from epic overclocking. A non-overclocked i5 will be perfectly happy running a dinky little factory cooler, and the board itself doesn't get hot enough to warrant being cooled.

> RGB LEDs don't contribute to performance, but they can be hella expensive. Be aware that you can add LED yourself later, and it's MUCH cheaper to install RGB-LED kits into your case than directly onto the motherboard. A top-of-the-line RGB LED kit for you case will only set you back $30, comes with a remote control and looks fabulous. It may actually look better than RGB on the board.

> NEVER spend extra money for a better soundcard. Even the cheapest, humblest Realtek can pump out Studio grade audio. If you want fully sick audio, grab a DAC or USB Amplifier. It'll make a much bigger difference than a tricked out soundcard.

Ultima modifica da Arya; 21 ott 2017, ore 21:34
Messaggio originale di Wolfıe:
My best advice is to keep a cool head, and work out what you actually need and want.

Since you're aiming at i5 territory, you don't actually need a high-end board. Expensive boards are tailored for Overclocking, and if you're not doing that you're free to look at middle and lower range boards without suffering any loss of performance.

A couple of things to keep in mind;

> Don't bother buying a Wi-Fi motherboard. You can slap a massive Wi-FI antenna onto any normal motherboard via the PCI-E slots. Typically these aftermarket kits give better download speeds and cost less than buying a Wi-Fi board to begin with.

> Even if you're only running one Graphics Card, having a couple of PCI-E slots is always nice. They're useful for all kinds of accessories, from Wi-Fi cards to blazing fast NVME data drives.

> Extra USB slots are a godsend, especially USB3. It's worth paying a little extra for a couple more slots, never know when you'll need them.

> Size matters. Full-fat ATX motherboards have more space for accessories than smaller Micro-ATX and Mini ITX boards, but they're more expensive. Think about what matters more - price or ability to pile on accessories.

> Military Grade Unobtanium/Expensium Alloy Capactiors with 999999999 hour lifespans look amazing on a specs sheet, but you don't actually need 'em for a reliable PC. Any Nippon Chemi-Con(best brand) capacitor will do absolutely fine, you're not going to abuse the board enough or use it for long enough to justify Military Caps as a necessity.

> Zorktanium motherboard heatsinks and extra fans are only useful if your CPU is running furnace hot from epic overclocking. A non-overclocked i5 will be perfectly happy running a dinky little factory cooler, and the board itself doesn't get hot enough to warrant being cooled.

> RGB LEDs don't contribute to performance, but they can be hella expensive. Be aware that you can add LED yourself later, and it's MUCH cheaper to install RGB-LED kits into your case than directly onto the motherboard. A top-of-the-line RGB LED kit for you case will only set you back $30, comes with a remote control and looks fabulous. It may actually look better than RGB on the board.

> NEVER spend extra money for a better soundcard. Even the cheapest, humblest Realtek can pump out Studio grade audio. If you want fully sick audio, grab a DAC or USB Amplifier. It'll make a much bigger difference than a tricked out soundcard.

OP, you may be better off with an intel Core i7 6700K on a Z170 Intel chipset or the Core i7 7700K on a Z270 chipset...

A good website to check for building options as described by Wolfe would be PCPartPicker. You can basically pick and choose form a wide variety of parts form that site. It was dead useful in helping put together a parts list for my PC. When everything arrived, all I had to do was put it together ;-) PCPartpicker is a utilitarian website that helps users compile PC parts lists. It has prices listed from almost 100 venders from around the world. It tells you how much wattage your rig will be using and it tells you whether or not your parts list has compatibility issues. I personally went through 10 design phses with various parts before I chose the rig I currently have.
Ultima modifica da TehSpoopyKitteh; 21 ott 2017, ore 22:20
The cheapest place for components in Oz is often ebay when there is a 20% off sale.

Intel has a promotion for i7's at the moment, giving a free copy of AC Origins and TW-WH2. That reduces the cost of an i7-8xxx - if you are interested the games, which is a big if. An i7-8700 drops from $500 to $320. So an i7 might be a better buy than an i5.

I have read that the non-Z mobos won't be out until next year. I would grab a Coffee Lake cpu when they are available or you might have to wait until well after Christmas as distributors often close for a week or two at Christmas.

Considering the cost of cpu, mobo, memory in Oz stores is likely to be $700-1000, if you can get 10-20% off that might be as good as, if not better than, a bundle.
Messaggio originale di hawkeye:
The cheapest place for components in Oz is often ebay when there is a 20% off sale.

Intel has a promotion for i7's at the moment, giving a free copy of AC Origins and TW-WH2. That reduces the cost of an i7-8xxx - if you are interested the games, which is a big if. An i7-8700 drops from $500 to $320. So an i7 might be a better buy than an i5.

I have read that the non-Z mobos won't be out until next year. I would grab a Coffee Lake cpu when they are available or you might have to wait until well after Christmas as distributors often close for a week or two at Christmas.

Considering the cost of cpu, mobo, memory in Oz stores is likely to be $700-1000, if you can get 10-20% off that might be as good as, if not better than, a bundle.

The AC Origins and TW WH2 isnt that a Nvidia Promotion? Also when I'm still up to date you can chose from 1 of those not taking both.

Not saying you're wrong but could you link it? It is the first time I heard that Intel is offering games as promotion.
Messaggio originale di tacoshy:

The AC Origins and TW WH2 isnt that a Nvidia Promotion? Also when I'm still up to date you can chose from 1 of those not taking both.

Not saying you're wrong but could you link it? It is the first time I heard that Intel is offering games as promotion.

http://www.mwave.com.au/
https://www.centrecom.com.au/intel-core-i7-8700k-lga-1151-cpuno-cpu-cooler-bx80684i78700k
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Messaggio originale di Wolfıe:
My best advice is to keep a cool head, and work out what you actually need and want.

Since you're aiming at i5 territory, you don't actually need a high-end board. Expensive boards are tailored for Overclocking, and if you're not doing that you're free to look at middle and lower range boards without suffering any loss of performance.

A couple of things to keep in mind;

> Don't bother buying a Wi-Fi motherboard. You can slap a massive Wi-FI antenna onto any normal motherboard via the PCI-E slots. Typically these aftermarket kits give better download speeds and cost less than buying a Wi-Fi board to begin with.

> Even if you're only running one Graphics Card, having a couple of PCI-E slots is always nice. They're useful for all kinds of accessories, from Wi-Fi cards to blazing fast NVME data drives.

> Extra USB slots are a godsend, especially USB3. It's worth paying a little extra for a couple more slots, never know when you'll need them.

> Size matters. Full-fat ATX motherboards have more space for accessories than smaller Micro-ATX and Mini ITX boards, but they're more expensive. Think about what matters more - price or ability to pile on accessories.

> Military Grade Unobtanium/Expensium Alloy Capactiors with 999999999 hour lifespans look amazing on a specs sheet, but you don't actually need 'em for a reliable PC. Any Nippon Chemi-Con(best brand) capacitor will do absolutely fine, you're not going to abuse the board enough or use it for long enough to justify Military Caps as a necessity.

> Zorktanium motherboard heatsinks and extra fans are only useful if your CPU is running furnace hot from epic overclocking. A non-overclocked i5 will be perfectly happy running a dinky little factory cooler, and the board itself doesn't get hot enough to warrant being cooled.

> RGB LEDs don't contribute to performance, but they can be hella expensive. Be aware that you can add LED yourself later, and it's MUCH cheaper to install RGB-LED kits into your case than directly onto the motherboard. A top-of-the-line RGB LED kit for you case will only set you back $30, comes with a remote control and looks fabulous. It may actually look better than RGB on the board.

> NEVER spend extra money for a better soundcard. Even the cheapest, humblest Realtek can pump out Studio grade audio. If you want fully sick audio, grab a DAC or USB Amplifier. It'll make a much bigger difference than a tricked out soundcard.

OP, you may be better off with an intel Core i7 6700K on a Z170 Intel chipset or the Core i7 7700K on a Z270 chipset...

A good website to check for building options as described by Wolfe would be PCPartPicker. You can basically pick and choose form a wide variety of parts form that site. It was dead useful in helping put together a parts list for my PC. When everything arrived, all I had to do was put it together ;-) PCPartpicker is a utilitarian website that helps users compile PC parts lists. It has prices listed from almost 100 venders from around the world. It tells you how much wattage your rig will be using and it tells you whether or not your parts list has compatibility issues. I personally went through 10 design phses with various parts before I chose the rig I currently have.
i dont think ill b needing pcpart picker as i already have my stuff. reason y i want a new pc also mobo is my cpu is bottlenecking my gpu lol anyway the i7 8700 is just 10$ more then i7 7700k and performs better according to benchmarks

Messaggio originale di hawkeye:
The cheapest place for components in Oz is often ebay when there is a 20% off sale.

Intel has a promotion for i7's at the moment, giving a free copy of AC Origins and TW-WH2. That reduces the cost of an i7-8xxx - if you are interested the games, which is a big if. An i7-8700 drops from $500 to $320. So an i7 might be a better buy than an i5.

I have read that the non-Z mobos won't be out until next year. I would grab a Coffee Lake cpu when they are available or you might have to wait until well after Christmas as distributors often close for a week or two at Christmas.

Considering the cost of cpu, mobo, memory in Oz stores is likely to be $700-1000, if you can get 10-20% off that might be as good as, if not better than, a bundle.
do u have a link on this about the non Z mobo? if i can save like 100$ more then id take the chances of waiting ill just stick with my current build i can handle bottlenecks lel although i wouldnt mind spending money on a Z mobo
Ultima modifica da rotNdude; 24 ott 2017, ore 8:42
Messaggio originale di Unity Chan:
do u have a link on this about the non Z mobo? if i can save like 100$ more then id take the chances of waiting ill just stick with my current build i can handle bottlenecks lel although i wouldnt mind spending money on a Z mobo

https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel/intel-14nm-coffee-lake-release-date

"The latest leaked roadmaps from Intel suggest the remaining consumer 300-series chipsets are on their way in Q1 of 2018. The H370, B360, and H310 are mid-range and budget boards, which will grant budget-minded chips, such as the Core i3 8350K, some degree of value not afforded at launch with the exclusive Z370 chipset.

Also indicated in Intel’s plans is the release of power-efficient Coffee Lake desktop processors, with 65W and 35W models possibly arriving in Q1 2018. These will arrive as six, four, and two-core chips."
Ultima modifica da hawkeye; 22 ott 2017, ore 1:31
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The AC Origins and TW WH2 isnt that a Nvidia Promotion? Also when I'm still up to date you can chose from 1 of those not taking both.

Not saying you're wrong but could you link it? It is the first time I heard that Intel is offering games as promotion.

http://www.mwave.com.au/
https://www.centrecom.com.au/intel-core-i7-8700k-lga-1151-cpuno-cpu-cooler-bx80684i78700k

Thanks for sharing that is really cool. First time I hear from a free game promotion for Intel.
Yeah, for some reason Edmund is obsessed with recommending 6700k and 7700k even when the 8600k let alone the 8700k are both faster and very similarly priced and not on a dead socket.
As for motherboard, any mid range z370 should be good, just check you like the look of it, if it matters to you, and has enough connections for what you are after, the expensive boards are only really for extreme overclocking and aren't needed by 99%.
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Messaggio originale di 🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh:

OP, you may be better off with an intel Core i7 6700K on a Z170 Intel chipset or the Core i7 7700K on a Z270 chipset...

A good website to check for building options as described by Wolfe would be PCPartPicker. You can basically pick and choose form a wide variety of parts form that site. It was dead useful in helping put together a parts list for my PC. When everything arrived, all I had to do was put it together ;-) PCPartpicker is a utilitarian website that helps users compile PC parts lists. It has prices listed from almost 100 venders from around the world. It tells you how much wattage your rig will be using and it tells you whether or not your parts list has compatibility issues. I personally went through 10 design phses with various parts before I chose the rig I currently have.
i dont think ill b needing pcpart picker as i already have my stuff. reason y i want a new pc also mobo is my cpu is bottlenecking my gpu lol anyway the i7 8700 is just 10$ more then i7 7700k and performs better according to benchmarks
What are your current specs?

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Yeah, for some reason Edmund is obsessed with recommending 6700k and 7700k even when the 8600k let alone the 8700k are both faster and very similarly priced and not on a dead socket.
As for motherboard, any mid range z370 should be good, just check you like the look of it, if it matters to you, and has enough connections for what you are after, the expensive boards are only really for extreme overclocking and aren't needed by 99%.
In spite of having more threads and cores, the Core i7 8700K has a base clock speed of 3.7GHz and performance is terrible when Turboboost is enabled. The i7 7700K has less performance fluctuations with turbo boost and its base clock speed is 4.2GHz.

Now let's compare click speeds at Turboboosting.
The 8700K has a lot of turbo boost. In fact, it's base clock is 3.7GHz just to make it look more like an overclocking CPU. The issue is that the more cores and threads you have, and the faster the clock speed with them, the more heat will be generated...and the performance line graph benchmarks show these fluctuations. Such fluctuations are dangerous and unstable and can shorten the lifespan of a CPU's DMA channel.

The i7700K has a better price point for the performance and it's turbo boost is much more efficient. It rises and peaks only once and is a lot easier to keep cool with a cooler and fan than the 8th Generation intel CPU's. The i7 7700K has a 4.5% value (budget...or price given the performance rating) rating in terms of performance while the 8700K only has a 0.7% budget value performance rating.

The 6700K may be older, but it's generational gap is only about 2 years compared with Kabelake and Coffee Lake. With that in mind I am simply being budget conscious. The 6700K is $314 USD (market value) at the moment because Z170 boards are much less expensive then Z270 and Z370 boards.

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-7700K/3937vs3647

As you can see with the Benchmark graph for the 8700K, it has two main peaks. The first one is for all 6 cores and all 6 threads and is a tad lower than the second one. In order to achieve the peak of the benchmakr (the highest point) two of the cores are shut off and 4 of the threads are also shut off to achieve the 5.15GHz clock speed.

As for the use with a Z300 series motherboard, the motherboard is simply overkill...and the 8th gen Intel series is tryting to be Ryzen...not Intel Core i series. If the OP feels like OC's the crap out of his machine artificailly, the 8th gen Intel CPU series is right up his ally...because the base clock on that series is speedbumbed to a lower speed to make them look like they can be OC'ed like AMD's Ryzen series...which honestly a much better CPU line compared to Intel's Coffee Lake.
Ultima modifica da rotNdude; 24 ott 2017, ore 8:43
Your wrong.
Plain and simple.
The 8700k blows the 7700k away when it can use the extra threads, and overclocks easier, while being just as fast on single threads.
The 6700k will cost you nearly as much as the 7700k and 8700k due to being out of production, but is slower, overclocks worse and can run just as hot.

Please stop trying to advise people to buy an expensive obsolete CPU, just because you have one.
Hell, a 8600k or a 8400 is faster in games than the 6700k and they are cheaper.

The 7700k was and is a great chip, if you have one, but buying new, it makes no sense, it's a dead platform and newer chips are faster for less.

Edit.
Userbenchmark is highly unreliable.
Ultima modifica da Monk; 22 ott 2017, ore 13:29
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