Dennis 21/out./2017 às 0:26
Windows 10
Where can i find a legit copy of Windows 10? Without spending a ♥♥♥♥ ton of money
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TehSpoopyKitteh 22/out./2017 às 12:47 
Escrito originalmente por tacoshy:
Escrito originalmente por x_wing:

Your first point is answered by the second (Microsoft has the control over the license agreement and only them decide to apply a lawsuit or not) BUT only if you will be using your copy at home. Any business company doesn't has the option to use the OEM key unless it comes from a PC manufacturer, which is the purpose around OEM licenses.

In fact, all this OEM licenses has been one of the big reasons of Microsoft monopoly (out of the "piracy" allowed by them). So yes, has a lot of sense that Microsoft doesn't block home users installations (their main revenue comes from licenses business companies and "preinstalling" Windows on laptops).

For home use, just go and buy the OEM licence, Microsoft won't give you any problem (or just use it not activated, is almost the same). But if we go to the law, then OEM direct buy is not legal (morals apart, nobody cares).

you also know that you can buy Windows OEM License out of any major electronic store packed in a box with CD/USB and license? Its not branded by manufacturer. OEM since a while just stands for the license type you cant switch over to a new PC and is bound to a PC (to a motherboard to be exact).
Actually, Windows 10 purchases are all digital. The reason some manufacturers like Dell, HP, Razor, ASUS, and other manufacturers include the USB flash drive is for setting up system repair for OEM builds like your Razor Nvidia GTX rig posted as art in your profile. If the user bought off the shelf parts (ordered them online or otherwise) and pieced together their rig on their own like the OP and I have, they need to download an ISO from Microsoft for a clean installation. This clean install method usually asks for the product key to activate it on Microsoft's website and then automatically assigns it to the user's Microsoft account so they can transfer to another disk if need be. That being said, you cannot just move the old hard disk to a new PC without losing your ability to reactivate Windows 10.
tacoshy 22/out./2017 às 14:12 
Escrito originalmente por 🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh:
Escrito originalmente por tacoshy:

you also know that you can buy Windows OEM License out of any major electronic store packed in a box with CD/USB and license? Its not branded by manufacturer. OEM since a while just stands for the license type you cant switch over to a new PC and is bound to a PC (to a motherboard to be exact).
Actually, Windows 10 purchases are all digital. The reason some manufacturers like Dell, HP, Razor, ASUS, and other manufacturers include the USB flash drive is for setting up system repair for OEM builds like your Razor Nvidia GTX rig posted as art in your profile. If the user bought off the shelf parts (ordered them online or otherwise) and pieced together their rig on their own like the OP and I have, they need to download an ISO from Microsoft for a clean installation. This clean install method usually asks for the product key to activate it on Microsoft's website and then automatically assigns it to the user's Microsoft account so they can transfer to another disk if need be. That being said, you cannot just move the old hard disk to a new PC without losing your ability to reactivate Windows 10.

which is wrong. In germany one majuor electronic store is Saturn:

http://www.saturn.de/de/product/_microsoft-windows-10-home-64-bit-oem-version-betriebssystem-2015509.html

It offers Windows 10 in a box with DVD. And now make an educated guess where it comes from. Besides you told me once that you bought Windows 10 Pro because that would be the only version avaible for digital download...

So you just try to argue throw in stuff everybody else can counter proof.


PS: I dont have a Razor Nvidia Rig. As builder it fully custom made which you would also know from the pictures if you had an idea about that topic. Such prebuilds doesnt exist as I know not a single prebuild manufacturer taking expensiv velcro cable ties and you will find no manufacturer mounting a Senty 3 into a Mastercase as it is without customizing skills impossible to mount in that case.


I as builder simply used one of my many USB sticks I created with Media Creation Tool and used a Windows 7 COA (which I have hundrets of) to activate Windows 10.
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 22/out./2017 às 14:16 
Escrito originalmente por x_wing:
Escrito originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:
1. Try explaining that to many stores across the world selling OEM keys... Look it up, google it if you must, Bestbuy, Newegg, etc.... All across America, Europe, Asia... Not once that one of them were given a notice, not one person was stop from buying one, and not one person was charged for having, and/or buying/selling a OEM key.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/os/overall-list/

2. Microsoft doesn't give two ****s how you get your copy of any type of Windows OS.

Your first point is answered by the second (Microsoft has the control over the license agreement and only them decide to apply a lawsuit or not) BUT only if you will be using your copy at home. Any business company doesn't has the option to use the OEM key unless it comes from a PC manufacturer, which is the purpose around OEM licenses.

In fact, all this OEM licenses has been one of the big reasons of Microsoft monopoly (out of the "piracy" allowed by them). So yes, has a lot of sense that Microsoft doesn't block home users installations (their main revenue comes from licenses business companies and "preinstalling" Windows on laptops).

For home use, just go and buy the OEM licence, Microsoft won't give you any problem (or just use it not activated, is almost the same). But if we go to the law, then OEM direct buy is not legal (morals apart, nobody cares).
I'm sorry did I trigger you? :rennyf1:

Anyone can buy/sell, and use OEM copy of Windows, and for over 20 years not a single **** was given by Microsoft, mainly because they're the ones who were giving them out in the 1st place. In real world, no they don't care if you bought, sold, or even used a OEM copy, that's the bottom line. If MS want to sue they can try, but they won't be getting very far since they're the ones who made these in the 1st place, and has been distributing to retailers/people of all kind.

"Microsoft has the control over the license agreement" It's like as if you never read the terms, and agreement to begin with, were you living under a rock, or what? They can revoke your license at any point, and time as they please if they felt that the license was being abuse, used for piracy, and/or such. If you literally talk with a representative they will tell you that it can revoke at any point, and time as they please.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1118217376

For businesses they would buy bulks copies from Microsoft themselves as not only they save money this way, but would be able to get support from them.


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Escrito originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:
Buy OEM key?

What wrong using the free version? You want the watermark gone? You want access to the Windows store? You want access to personalization settings?

AFAIK buying an oem key not being a oem preinstaller and using it for new build to sell is ilegal


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Escrito originalmente por Bad_Motha:
No, you're whole dam sentence is wrong, simple as that.

Nope, checked OEM program, at seems to be like always (I have a Windows XP preinstaller "title").

OEM license are for machine builder (i.e. the license is sold with a new machine), so selling an OEM license "alone" is ilegal. Of course Microsoft doesn't care of home user license, so buying a license is more a moral requirement than a legal one.
"For home use, just go and buy the OEM licence, Microsoft won't give you any problem (or just use it not activated, is almost the same). But if we go to the law, then OEM direct buy is not legal (morals apart, nobody cares)."
Cool one minute you're telling people not to buy it, next you're telling people to go buy it. :rennyf1:
Última edição por Dr.Shadowds 🐉; 22/out./2017 às 14:18
TehSpoopyKitteh 22/out./2017 às 14:39 
Escrito originalmente por tacoshy:
Escrito originalmente por 🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh:
Actually, Windows 10 purchases are all digital. The reason some manufacturers like Dell, HP, Razor, ASUS, and other manufacturers include the USB flash drive is for setting up system repair for OEM builds like your Razor Nvidia GTX rig posted as art in your profile. If the user bought off the shelf parts (ordered them online or otherwise) and pieced together their rig on their own like the OP and I have, they need to download an ISO from Microsoft for a clean installation. This clean install method usually asks for the product key to activate it on Microsoft's website and then automatically assigns it to the user's Microsoft account so they can transfer to another disk if need be. That being said, you cannot just move the old hard disk to a new PC without losing your ability to reactivate Windows 10.

which is wrong. In germany one majuor electronic store is Saturn:

http://www.saturn.de/de/product/_microsoft-windows-10-home-64-bit-oem-version-betriebssystem-2015509.html

It offers Windows 10 in a box with DVD. And now make an educated guess where it comes from. Besides you told me once that you bought Windows 10 Pro because that would be the only version avaible for digital download...

So you just try to argue throw in stuff everybody else can counter proof.


PS: I dont have a Razor Nvidia Rig. As builder it fully custom made which you would also know from the pictures if you had an idea about that topic. Such prebuilds doesnt exist as I know not a single prebuild manufacturer taking expensiv velcro cable ties and you will find no manufacturer mounting a Senty 3 into a Mastercase as it is without customizing skills impossible to mount in that case.


I as builder simply used one of my many USB sticks I created with Media Creation Tool and used a Windows 7 COA (which I have hundrets of) to activate Windows 10.
Well that is in Germany..I am in the US....the same country as the OP.
Última edição por TehSpoopyKitteh; 22/out./2017 às 14:39
tacoshy 22/out./2017 às 14:41 
Escrito originalmente por 🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh:
Escrito originalmente por tacoshy:

which is wrong. In germany one majuor electronic store is Saturn:

http://www.saturn.de/de/product/_microsoft-windows-10-home-64-bit-oem-version-betriebssystem-2015509.html

It offers Windows 10 in a box with DVD. And now make an educated guess where it comes from. Besides you told me once that you bought Windows 10 Pro because that would be the only version avaible for digital download...

So you just try to argue throw in stuff everybody else can counter proof.


PS: I dont have a Razor Nvidia Rig. As builder it fully custom made which you would also know from the pictures if you had an idea about that topic. Such prebuilds doesnt exist as I know not a single prebuild manufacturer taking expensiv velcro cable ties and you will find no manufacturer mounting a Senty 3 into a Mastercase as it is without customizing skills impossible to mount in that case.


I as builder simply used one of my many USB sticks I created with Media Creation Tool and used a Windows 7 COA (which I have hundrets of) to activate Windows 10.
Well that is in Germany..I am in the US....the same country as the OP.

where it also exist as microsoft doesnt sell their OS in boxes just in one country...
x_wing 22/out./2017 às 15:08 
Escrito originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:
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My statement is that it is not a legal way to buy a license (as far I can remember, the OEM license doesn't apply for final user), but it's a way to get ride of the non genuine "disadvatages". The point is: why would you pay for something that is technically illegal?

Oh, and you're not triggering me, I'm just trying to make you go to google and check what OEM license is. You can also go to Microsoft store and try to buy a OEM key... just try it.
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 22/out./2017 às 15:30 
Escrito originalmente por x_wing:
Escrito originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:
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My statement is that it is not a legal way to buy a license (as far I can remember, the OEM license doesn't apply for final user), but it's a way to get ride of the non genuine "disadvatages". The point is: why would you pay for something that is technically illegal?

Oh, and you're not triggering me, I'm just trying to make you go to google and check what OEM license is. You can also go to Microsoft store and try to buy a OEM key... just try it.
Why buy something that's technically illegal? Why would they be selling it since it's technically illegal? Why would Microsoft be distributing it if it technically illegal? Did you stop to think about these?

For some reason I thought you were trigger, but oh well. Also try and buy a OEM from the Microsoft store? Have you even been to the store? If you want OEM, you have to make a request with them, to do business with them.
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x_wing 22/out./2017 às 15:54 
Escrito originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:
Why buy something that's technically illegal? Why would they be selling it since it's technically illegal? Why would Microsoft be distributing it if it technically illegal? Did you stop to think about these?
They sell it because Microsoft don't give a ♥♥♥♥ as you say. And may be related with
a workaround with German/UE law (not sure of this, but could be).

In the other hand, I'm not saying that OEM license are illegal, I'm saying that the only "legal" way to get them would be buying a full machine from a builder.

Escrito originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:
For some reason I thought you were trigger, but oh well. Also try and buy a OEM from the Microsoft store? Have you even been to the store? If you want OEM, you have to make a request with them, to do business with them.

A request that will only be fullfilled if you're a hardware builder.

I'm not traying to make a fight out of it. As I said, you can go a grab one OEM key and never have a problem. But the discussion is about "legit" (or legal), so that's why I mention that buy directly a OEM license is not something "legal".
tacoshy 22/out./2017 às 16:00 
you know what OEM means? I not mean the full name but what for specifically Windows the difference mean?

OEM = bound to a pc (specifically to the motherboard)
Retail = can be released from a system and taken over to another system.

Since ages it doesnt mean anymore that it is only for Manufacturer. Manufacturer often use Refurbish License (brown not blue OCA).

And in multiple countries they sell Windows as boxed physical versions which I only know OEM version of. Those are for rpivate households...
TehSpoopyKitteh 22/out./2017 às 16:32 
Escrito originalmente por x_wing:
Escrito originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:
Why buy something that's technically illegal? Why would they be selling it since it's technically illegal? Why would Microsoft be distributing it if it technically illegal? Did you stop to think about these?
They sell it because Microsoft don't give a ♥♥♥♥ as you say. And may be related with
a workaround with German/UE law (not sure of this, but could be).

In the other hand, I'm not saying that OEM license are illegal, I'm saying that the only "legal" way to get them would be buying a full machine from a builder.

Escrito originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:
For some reason I thought you were trigger, but oh well. Also try and buy a OEM from the Microsoft store? Have you even been to the store? If you want OEM, you have to make a request with them, to do business with them.

A request that will only be fullfilled if you're a hardware builder.

I'm not traying to make a fight out of it. As I said, you can go a grab one OEM key and never have a problem. But the discussion is about "legit" (or legal), so that's why I mention that buy directly a OEM license is not something "legal".
Under US guidelines I can acquire a singularly reuseable OEM flicense key or any PC that I manually build myself for personal use. It is on Microsoft's reocrd that I purchased a product key to Windows 10 Pro 64Bit...so long as I merely give them my Windows Account Login Credentials, I can basically transfer my license to another, new, home-built machine that I pieced toether on my own when I get rid of the old PC.
TehSpoopyKitteh 22/out./2017 às 16:32 
Escrito originalmente por tacoshy:
you know what OEM means? I not mean the full name but what for specifically Windows the difference mean?

OEM = bound to a pc (specifically to the motherboard)
Retail = can be released from a system and taken over to another system.

Since ages it doesnt mean anymore that it is only for Manufacturer. Manufacturer often use Refurbish License (brown not blue OCA).

And in multiple countries they sell Windows as boxed physical versions which I only know OEM version of. Those are for rpivate households...
Under US guideleines I am well aware of that. If your machine is prebuilt, whoever manufactuired it holds the OEM license...but if a user builds their own PC, that OEM license is pretty much always going to be around when the user who built it is still alive.
Última edição por TehSpoopyKitteh; 22/out./2017 às 16:33
x_wing 22/out./2017 às 16:32 
Escrito originalmente por tacoshy:
you know what OEM means? I not mean the full name but what for specifically Windows the difference mean?

OEM = bound to a pc (specifically to the motherboard)
Retail = can be released from a system and taken over to another system.

Since ages it doesnt mean anymore that it is only for Manufacturer. Manufacturer often use Refurbish License (brown not blue OCA).

And in multiple countries they sell Windows as boxed physical versions which I only know OEM version of. Those are for rpivate households...

Maybe thet change some part of the license, I really don't know (as I mention, I have a certificate for XP so...) . But yet again as final user, can you go a buy a OEM Windows directly from Microsoft? As far I remember, the OEM license has to be installed in a fully functional system (the idea is that when the user boots for first time he has to accept the final user license).

About the boxed physical version, I have only see retail version in a box.
Última edição por x_wing; 22/out./2017 às 16:33
TehSpoopyKitteh 22/out./2017 às 16:35 
Escrito originalmente por x_wing:
Escrito originalmente por tacoshy:
you know what OEM means? I not mean the full name but what for specifically Windows the difference mean?

OEM = bound to a pc (specifically to the motherboard)
Retail = can be released from a system and taken over to another system.

Since ages it doesnt mean anymore that it is only for Manufacturer. Manufacturer often use Refurbish License (brown not blue OCA).

And in multiple countries they sell Windows as boxed physical versions which I only know OEM version of. Those are for rpivate households...

Maybe thet change some part of the license, I really don't know (as I mention, I have a certificate for XP so...) . But yet again as final user, can you go a buy a OEM Windows directly from Microsoft? As far I remember, the OEM license has to be installed in a fully functional system (the idea is that when the user boots for first time he has to accept the final user license).

About the boxed physical version, I have only see retail version in a box.
as a final user who hasd built the machine...you can. If you bought it prebuilt from say I Buy Power, Rosewill, Dell, ASUS..etcetera etcetera..that is when the key is tied to the machine specifically.
x_wing 22/out./2017 às 16:36 
Escrito originalmente por 🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh:
Under US guidelines I can acquire a singularly reuseable OEM flicense key or any PC that I manually build myself for personal use. It is on Microsoft's reocrd that I purchased a product key to Windows 10 Pro 64Bit...so long as I merely give them my Windows Account Login Credentials, I can basically transfer my license to another, new, home-built machine that I pieced toether on my own when I get rid of the old PC.

I remember that OEM license came as triplets (you pay $X and received three licenses). My question is, you can buy from Windows store one OEM key?
Última edição por x_wing; 22/out./2017 às 16:37
tacoshy 22/out./2017 às 16:39 
Escrito originalmente por x_wing:
Escrito originalmente por 🎃Sir Edmund's Spoopy Kitteh:
Under US guidelines I can acquire a singularly reuseable OEM flicense key or any PC that I manually build myself for personal use. It is on Microsoft's reocrd that I purchased a product key to Windows 10 Pro 64Bit...so long as I merely give them my Windows Account Login Credentials, I can basically transfer my license to another, new, home-built machine that I pieced toether on my own when I get rid of the old PC.

I remember OEM license came as triplets (you pay $X and received three licenses). My question is, you can buy from Windows store one OEM key?

yes you can

but smarter it would be to buy a windows 7 COA or to scratch one from an used PC. You can use those COAs to activate 3 times Windows 10 while still being able to use your Windows 7. I bought from a computer store who wherent allowed to sell Windows 7 on their prebuilds anmyore all their COAs. over 250 pieces for less then 150€.
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