Is 144hz 1ms worth it?

[Kubo]

I’m building my first gaming rig and I’m about to purchase my monitor. I was reading online that for a 144hz monitor that as long as the response time is under 6ms, then the difference in unnoticeable. I was looking for thoughts on this before purchasing the monitor in order to save money. Also if anyone could suggest some 24-27 inch 144hz curved monitors it would be appreciated! Thanks :)

[r.linder]

Don't believe advertised response times, it's not actually 1ms. Stick to TN and newer IPS for fast response times.

[Kubo]

Originally posted by Escorve:

Don't believe advertised response times, it's not actually 1ms. Stick to TN and newer IPS for fast response times.

Any recommendations for curved 144hz monitors under $250?

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Kubo:

Originally posted by Escorve:

Don't believe advertised response times, it's not actually 1ms. Stick to TN and newer IPS for fast response times.

Any recommendations for curved 144hz monitors under $250?

1080p or 1440p? What GPU?

1080p: Can't find anything that isn't VA for that price range, and VA is not worth it. It's slow (even if it's advertised 1ms) and very prone to ghosting, and doesn't look as good as IPS.

1440p: Nothing for 250$, and everything is pretty much VA. Curved isn't worth it, take it from someone who actually has a 1080p 144Hz curved panel in his setup. It's just not worth it for gaming.

There's no flat 1440p 144Hz monitor for ~250$.
My recommendation for 1080p 144Hz TN: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4Hc48d/dell-s2419hgf-240-1920x1080-144-hz-monitor-s2419hgf
1080p 144Hz IPS: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gByqqs/acer-vg270-pbiip-270-1920x1080-144-hz-monitor-umhv0aap02

[Kubo]

Originally posted by Escorve:

Originally posted by Kubo:

Any recommendations for curved 144hz monitors under $250?

1080p or 1440p? What GPU?

1080p: Can't find anything that isn't VA for that price range, and VA is not worth it. It's slow (even if it's advertised 1ms) and very prone to ghosting, and doesn't look as good as IPS.

1440p: Nothing for 250$, and everything is pretty much VA. Curved isn't worth it, take it from someone who actually has a 1080p 144Hz curved panel in his setup. It's just not worth it for gaming.

There's no flat 1440p 144Hz monitor for ~250$.
My recommendation for 1080p 144Hz TN: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4Hc48d/dell-s2419hgf-240-1920x1080-144-hz-monitor-s2419hgf
1080p 144Hz IPS: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gByqqs/acer-vg270-pbiip-270-1920x1080-144-hz-monitor-umhv0aap02

Sorry forgot to mention that. Yes 1080p as I don’t really care for 1440 and not even sure if my ryzen 5 3600 and 2060 super could handle it smoothly lol.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Kubo:

Originally posted by Escorve:

1080p or 1440p? What GPU?

1080p: Can't find anything that isn't VA for that price range, and VA is not worth it. It's slow (even if it's advertised 1ms) and very prone to ghosting, and doesn't look as good as IPS.

1440p: Nothing for 250$, and everything is pretty much VA. Curved isn't worth it, take it from someone who actually has a 1080p 144Hz curved panel in his setup. It's just not worth it for gaming.

There's no flat 1440p 144Hz monitor for ~250$.
My recommendation for 1080p 144Hz TN: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4Hc48d/dell-s2419hgf-240-1920x1080-144-hz-monitor-s2419hgf
1080p 144Hz IPS: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gByqqs/acer-vg270-pbiip-270-1920x1080-144-hz-monitor-umhv0aap02

Sorry forgot to mention that. Yes 1080p as I don’t really care for 1440 and not even sure if my ryzen 5 3600 and 2060 super could handle it smoothly lol.

Then yeah the 2 monitors I linked would be the best idea for your budget.
The Acer is better since it's IPS. TN is slightly better in response time.

[Kubo]

Originally posted by Escorve:

Originally posted by Kubo:

Sorry forgot to mention that. Yes 1080p as I don’t really care for 1440 and not even sure if my ryzen 5 3600 and 2060 super could handle it smoothly lol.

Then yeah the 2 monitors I linked would be the best idea for your budget.
The Acer is better since it's IPS. TN is slightly better in response time.

What are your thoughts on this Asus?
https://www.microcenter.com/product/609372/asus-vg248qg-24-full-hd-165hz-hdmi-dp-dvi-freesync-g-sync-compatible-led-gaming-monitor
Also forgot to mention I would be using dp output

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Kubo:

Originally posted by Escorve:

Then yeah the 2 monitors I linked would be the best idea for your budget.
The Acer is better since it's IPS. TN is slightly better in response time.

What are your thoughts on this Asus?
https://www.microcenter.com/product/609372/asus-vg248qg-24-full-hd-165hz-hdmi-dp-dvi-freesync-g-sync-compatible-led-gaming-monitor
Also forgot to mention I would be using dp output

Looks good to me. I have the XG248Q, it's very similar but it's 240Hz and ROG STRIX.

[iceman1980]

Response time can very. It depends on the metric they use to actually measure that response time.
Some companies measure it as black-to-black, grey-grey, white-to-grey or black-to-white

[Bad 💀 Motha]

It's never going to be 1ms at 144hz.
1ms is just the Grey spectrum, not the entire RGB spectrum. 1ms is a BS marketing tactic. At 144hz you can realistically get maybe 5-7ms

[WhispersOfTheWind]

I ought to have a 1ms monitor, at least according to specifications @ 144Hz 1920x1080 and it's really, really nice.

When I have to play @ 60Hz I really sort of struggle because of lacking smoothness.

[Kubo]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

It's never going to be 1ms at 144hz.
1ms is just the Grey spectrum, not the entire RGB spectrum. 1ms is a BS marketing tactic. At 144hz you can realistically get maybe 5-7ms

The tn monitor I’m looking at quotes .5 ms response and 165hz. Also 1080p so we will see how that goes lol

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Kubo:

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

It's never going to be 1ms at 144hz.
1ms is just the Grey spectrum, not the entire RGB spectrum. 1ms is a BS marketing tactic. At 144hz you can realistically get maybe 5-7ms

The tn monitor I’m looking at quotes .5 ms response and 165hz. Also 1080p so we will see how that goes lol

Again that's grey-to-grey, with RGB (color) it's much slower than that, advertised response times are all BS

[Kubo]

Originally posted by Escorve:

Originally posted by Kubo:

The tn monitor I’m looking at quotes .5 ms response and 165hz. Also 1080p so we will see how that goes lol

Again that's grey-to-grey, with RGB (color) it's much slower than that, advertised response times are all BS

That’s why I said quotes lol. At the end of the day I’m just looking for a good low budget gaming monitor that supports 1080p and is 144hz or above

[EliteGamer]

I’ve got a Asus ROG PG279Q IPS 4ms G-SYNC monitor and I owned a Asus ROG PG248Q TN 1ms G-SYNC monitor and I can honestly tell you, you can’t tell a difference with this 1ms and 4ms, well not between to high end monitors, but you sure can see a difference with TN vs IPS. I would never advise anyway to bother with TN. If you’ve got the money to spend, I’d advise going high end Asus ROG IPS gaming monitor with G-SYNC.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by EliteGamer:

I’ve got a Asus ROG PG279Q IPS 4ms G-SYNC monitor and I owned a Asus ROG PG248Q TN 1ms G-SYNC monitor and I can honestly tell you, you can’t tell a difference with this 1ms and 4ms, well not between to high end monitors, but you sure can see a difference with TN vs IPS. I would never advise anyway to bother with TN. If you’ve got the money to spend, I’d advise going high end Asus ROG IPS gaming monitor with G-SYNC.

1. Those monitors are way above his budget of 250$. The ASUS monitor he linked earlier is fine, and it's something he can afford and will be happy with. Not everyone needs an expensive IPS.

2. Advertised response times are irrelevant because it's talking about the time it takes for it to go from one shade to another and back to the original shade, i.e. grey to grey, black to black, white to white. It doesn't have anything to do with the actual response time with the usage because they are really only saying that when your screen goes from black to white, that is the response time. GtG means nothing, it's just marketing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHOb523rNBw

As stated, the actual average response time of TN is around 3~6ms, while the average IPS is closer to 12~17ms. Newer IPS panels are capable of being closer to TN's performance, but TN can still win, and it's perfectly fine unless you're absolutely anal about color quality. As someone who uses TN and VA (which has considerably better color quality), I don't mind TN despite that.

3. As someone who uses a TN panel for gaming and a VA panel for everything else (the VA used to be my only panel and is the same price range as my TN, both in the 400~500$ CAD range), I can see the difference between them in terms of response time very clearly. The XG248Q is considerably better than its curved brother, the XG27VQ in terms of response time, but loses in the color aspect. VA's response times are mixed; sometimes equal to IPS, sometimes worse, sometimes better, it depends on the specific monitor hardware when comparing VA and IPS displays. A quality VA and quality IPS can be very similar in response, while quality IPS will basically always be better than a lower quality VA.

Keep in mind the two monitors I have are also advertised as 1ms and 4ms (TN, VA) respectively. I can see the difference, and it's huge. https://www.testufo.com/ghosting
Lower priced IPS panels are going to be closer to VA in actual response times, to get fast IPS, you absolutely have to pay more for it, but even then, TN can still easily win.