Is 144hz 1ms worth it?

[Kubo]

I’m building my first gaming rig and I’m about to purchase my monitor. I was reading online that for a 144hz monitor that as long as the response time is under 6ms, then the difference in unnoticeable. I was looking for thoughts on this before purchasing the monitor in order to save money. Also if anyone could suggest some 24-27 inch 144hz curved monitors it would be appreciated! Thanks :)

[EliteGamer]

Well, your mon

Originally posted by Escorve:

Originally posted by EliteGamer:

I’ve got a Asus ROG PG279Q IPS 4ms G-SYNC monitor and I owned a Asus ROG PG248Q TN 1ms G-SYNC monitor and I can honestly tell you, you can’t tell a difference with this 1ms and 4ms, well not between to high end monitors, but you sure can see a difference with TN vs IPS. I would never advise anyway to bother with TN. If you’ve got the money to spend, I’d advise going high end Asus ROG IPS gaming monitor with G-SYNC.

1. Those monitors are way above his budget of 250$. The ASUS monitor he linked earlier is fine, and it's something he can afford and will be happy with. Not everyone needs an expensive IPS.

2. Advertised response times are irrelevant because it's talking about the time it takes for it to go from one shade to another and back to the original shade, i.e. grey to grey, black to black, white to white. It doesn't have anything to do with the actual response time with the usage because they are really only saying that when your screen goes from black to white, that is the response time. GtG means nothing, it's just marketing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHOb523rNBw

As stated, the actual average response time of TN is around 3~6ms, while the average IPS is closer to 12~17ms. Newer IPS panels are capable of being closer to TN's performance, but TN can still win, and it's perfectly fine unless you're absolutely anal about color quality. As someone who uses TN and VA (which has considerably better color quality), I don't mind TN despite that.

3. As someone who uses a TN panel for gaming and a VA panel for everything else (the VA used to be my only panel and is the same price range as my TN, both in the 400~500$ CAD range), I can see the difference between them in terms of response time very clearly. The XG248Q is considerably better than its curved brother, the XG27VQ in terms of response time, but loses in the color aspect. VA's response times are mixed; sometimes equal to IPS, sometimes worse, sometimes better, it depends on the specific monitor hardware when comparing VA and IPS displays. A quality VA and quality IPS can be very similar in response, while quality IPS will basically always be better than a lower quality VA.

Keep in mind the two monitors I have are also advertised as 1ms and 4ms (TN, VA) respectively. I can see the difference, and it's huge. https://www.testufo.com/ghosting
Lower priced IPS panels are going to be closer to VA in actual response times, to get fast IPS, you absolutely have to pay more for it, but even then, TN can still easily win.

Well, what model VA monitor are you using? Is it any good? Most likely it sucks. Like you said that 4ms is grey to grey. Doesn’t state the actual response time. I literally cannot tell a difference between my 2 “high end” monitors apart from the awesome colours off the IPS compared to the washed out look of a TN. I couldn’t detect a noticeable difference between my high end ROGs IPS and TN, so therefore I sold the TN monitor.

It doesn’t matter how much you big TN monitors up, there’s no good reason to buy a TN monitor unless money is the issue and you need a monitor to temporarily operate the PC with.

Also, I don’t think a “casual” gamer would require what ever tiny “paper” advantage a TN may have over IPS.
How many people on these Steam forums actually game professionally?? Exactly my point.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by EliteGamer:

there’s no good reason to buy a TN monitor unless money is the issue

His budget doesn't afford what you're telling him to get. The only IPS panels are going to be older IPS with more ghosting than TN, isn't necessarily worth the color quality.

And I can tell you, ditching as much ghosting as possible just outweighs color quality unless you actually need that quality color, regardless if you play competitively or not.

[Autumn_]

Originally posted by Kubo:

I’m building my first gaming rig and I’m about to purchase my monitor. I was reading online that for a 144hz monitor that as long as the response time is under 6ms, then the difference in unnoticeable. I was looking for thoughts on this before purchasing the monitor in order to save money. Also if anyone could suggest some 24-27 inch 144hz curved monitors it would be appreciated! Thanks :)

First, I've gotta say, good work on doing research into that, most people just mindlessly believe it.
Second, where abouts did you read it, could you link it? I've never seen anywhere else talking about it.

But you're correct, it doesn't really matter how much lower the average pixel response time is, so long as it's below 6.9ms.
You probably would see a little difference from 6 to 1ms (if 1ms was possible without unreal over/undershoot.)

Originally posted by Escorve:

Don't believe advertised response times, it's not actually 1ms. Stick to TN and newer IPS for fast response times.

This, VA panels are bad, always have 10+ms.

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

It's never going to be 1ms at 144hz.
1ms is just the Grey spectrum, not the entire RGB spectrum. 1ms is a BS marketing tactic. At 144hz you can realistically get maybe 5-7ms

Most TN panels do ~4ms average, but IPS sometimes hit or miss, good ones can stay below 6.9ms, bad ones won't be able to without overdrive-like features.
VA? Don't get me started.

[pasa]

IF you have adaptive sync and can shell out 90 fps consistently, then probably yes. Many people reported much better feel going 75 over 60. They also stated that over 90 it stops making sense to go further. If you're on edge then you might be better off with a 75hz monitor.

[Autumn_]

Originally posted by pasa:

IF you have adaptive sync and can shell out 90 fps consistently, then probably yes. Many people reported much better feel going 75 over 60. They also stated that over 90 it stops making sense to go further. If you're on edge then you might be better off with a 75hz monitor.

I can't speak for a lot of the more 'casual' audience, but personally I can feel a significant difference from 90hz to 144hz.
I say it's absolutley worth geting a 144hz display, I would recommend up to a 200hz display.

[Kubo]

Originally posted by Autumn_:

Originally posted by Kubo:

I’m building my first gaming rig and I’m about to purchase my monitor. I was reading online that for a 144hz monitor that as long as the response time is under 6ms, then the difference in unnoticeable. I was looking for thoughts on this before purchasing the monitor in order to save money. Also if anyone could suggest some 24-27 inch 144hz curved monitors it would be appreciated! Thanks :)

First, I've gotta say, good work on doing research into that, most people just mindlessly believe it.
Second, where abouts did you read it, could you link it? I've never seen anywhere else talking about it.

But you're correct, it doesn't really matter how much lower the average pixel response time is, so long as it's below 6.9ms.
You probably would see a little difference from 6 to 1ms (if 1ms was possible without unreal over/undershoot.)

Originally posted by Escorve:

Don't believe advertised response times, it's not actually 1ms. Stick to TN and newer IPS for fast response times.

This, VA panels are bad, always have 10+ms.

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

It's never going to be 1ms at 144hz.
1ms is just the Grey spectrum, not the entire RGB spectrum. 1ms is a BS marketing tactic. At 144hz you can realistically get maybe 5-7ms

Most TN panels do ~4ms average, but IPS sometimes hit or miss, good ones can stay below 6.9ms, bad ones won't be able to without overdrive-like features.
VA? Don't get me started.

Thanks :) I’ve just been trying to not get overcharged for things I don’t need to pay a lot for. And I’ve been told it’s been a sucky time to build a pc :( but I’m only a desk, monitor, and gpu away :) here’s the link to what I was reading up on: https://amp.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/52vbhq/does_ms_matter/