Is a 650 W power supply enough for my high end setup?

[Vaxen]

My setup is:

16 GB DDR4 RAM

RTX 2080

i9 9900k

Z390 AORUS ULTRA-CF

No overclocking of any sort


I am wondering because I have had many issues with some games, especially Minecraft, where I would often crash and even get two WHEA uncorrectable errors BSOD and get WHEA-Logger Internal Parity Errors in my Windows Event Viewer. After changing versions, checking for RAM issues, doing the SFC Scan Now, re-installing Java, checking my BIOS, and more, I keep having issues, so the last thing I can think of would be my power supply being the issue of it all... It seems to me like 650 W isnt much for such a high end PC like mine, but again I'm not much of an hardware expert. Is 650 W enough, or should I upgrade to a 850 W power supply?

[Autumn_]

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Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

Did you try taking the CPU out and putting it back in? It might not be making perfect contact with the socket pins. Check the socket.

Yeah... I'm pretty afraid to do that and risk breaking my CPU

You could throw the CPU and it'd be fine. Because it's LGA. (Uses pads.)

But, the motherboard would be easier to break, though, if you're just undoing the socket latch, lifting the bracket up, taking the CPU out for a second, gently placing it back down (give it a little wiggle to see if it sits still, it should), then putting the bracket down, and putting the latch back into the locked position, you won't harm anything.

Just don't try to push the pins with your finger, or drop the CPU into the socket, and you'll be fine.

[Vaxen]

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Vaxen님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah... I'm pretty afraid to do that and risk breaking my CPU

You could throw the CPU and it'd be fine. Because it's LGA. (Uses pads.)

But, the motherboard would be easier to break, though, if you're just undoing the socket latch, lifting the bracket up, taking the CPU out for a second, gently placing it back down (give it a little wiggle to see if it sits still, it should), then putting the bracket down, and putting the latch back into the locked position, you won't harm anything.

Just don't try to push the pins with your finger, or drop the CPU into the socket, and you'll be fine.

Of course not.

But I am still skeptical because it seems Minecraft is the only game that makes me crash like that. I have tried re-install Java, re-install Minecraft, do RAM checks with Windows, do sfc /scannow, look for disk erros, anti-virus scanning, etc. Yet nothing seems to change. The reason why this matters so much is that as of recently I play with my friends, I crash often, but this seems to be the only game that does this thing. I'm afraid if I keep playing Minecraft, it could damage my hardware. I did not have these issues before.

[r.linder]

Vaxen님이 먼저 게시:

Autumn님이 먼저 게시:

You could throw the CPU and it'd be fine. Because it's LGA. (Uses pads.)

But, the motherboard would be easier to break, though, if you're just undoing the socket latch, lifting the bracket up, taking the CPU out for a second, gently placing it back down (give it a little wiggle to see if it sits still, it should), then putting the bracket down, and putting the latch back into the locked position, you won't harm anything.

Just don't try to push the pins with your finger, or drop the CPU into the socket, and you'll be fine.

Of course not.

But I am still skeptical because it seems Minecraft is the only game that makes me crash like that. I have tried re-install Java, re-install Minecraft, do RAM checks with Windows, do sfc /scannow, look for disk erros, anti-virus scanning, etc. Yet nothing seems to change. The reason why this matters so much is that as of recently I play with my friends, I crash often, but this seems to be the only game that does this thing. I'm afraid if I keep playing Minecraft, it could damage my hardware. I did not have these issues before.

Software like Minecraft can't damage your hardware. The only worries is voltage regulation, high voltage is what damages components.

[Vaxen]

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

Vaxen님이 먼저 게시:

Of course not.

But I am still skeptical because it seems Minecraft is the only game that makes me crash like that. I have tried re-install Java, re-install Minecraft, do RAM checks with Windows, do sfc /scannow, look for disk erros, anti-virus scanning, etc. Yet nothing seems to change. The reason why this matters so much is that as of recently I play with my friends, I crash often, but this seems to be the only game that does this thing. I'm afraid if I keep playing Minecraft, it could damage my hardware. I did not have these issues before.

Software like Minecraft can't damage your hardware. The only worries is voltage regulation, high voltage is what damages components.

I know software can't damage my hardware. But since I have gotten so many of these erros that seems to be linked to my processor in my Windows Event logs and two BSOD, I'm afraid it could damage my CPU. This is what I am confused with. My other games don't have problems. Is it logical and realistic that my CPU could be misplaced and the only consequence is that it makes my Minecraft crash? I really am not sure if my motherboard, CPU or my PSU is at fault.

It should be noted, I'm running my CPU at 1.200W. If I try to put it at 1.250W, I cannot launch Minecraft, crashing the game immediately, and even BSOD'ing my PC. 1.200 W and 1.250 W isn't much of a difference, which is why I am thinking the PSU might not be powerful enough that it crashes my Minecraft, which IS a CPU demanding game considering it's running on Java.

[r.linder]

Vaxen님이 먼저 게시:

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

Software like Minecraft can't damage your hardware. The only worries is voltage regulation, high voltage is what damages components.

I know software can't damage my hardware. But since I have gotten so many of these erros that seems to be linked to my processor in my Windows Event logs and two BSOD, I'm afraid it could damage my CPU. This is what I am confused with. My other games don't have problems. Is it logical and realistic that my CPU could be misplaced and the only consequence is that it makes my Minecraft crash? I really am not sure if my motherboard, CPU or my PSU is at fault.

It should be noted, I'm running my CPU at 1.200W. If I try to put it at 1.250W, I cannot launch Minecraft, crashing the game immediately, and even BSOD'ing my PC. 1.200 W and 1.250 W isn't much of a difference, which is why I am thinking the PSU might not be powerful enough that it crashes my Minecraft, which IS a CPU demanding game considering it's running on Java.

It shouldn't be the PSU because it's rather high quality. If anything, the CPU would overheat from too much voltage being pumped (probably LLC or offset)

[Vaxen]

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

Vaxen님이 먼저 게시:

I know software can't damage my hardware. But since I have gotten so many of these erros that seems to be linked to my processor in my Windows Event logs and two BSOD, I'm afraid it could damage my CPU. This is what I am confused with. My other games don't have problems. Is it logical and realistic that my CPU could be misplaced and the only consequence is that it makes my Minecraft crash? I really am not sure if my motherboard, CPU or my PSU is at fault.

It should be noted, I'm running my CPU at 1.200W. If I try to put it at 1.250W, I cannot launch Minecraft, crashing the game immediately, and even BSOD'ing my PC. 1.200 W and 1.250 W isn't much of a difference, which is why I am thinking the PSU might not be powerful enough that it crashes my Minecraft, which IS a CPU demanding game considering it's running on Java.

It shouldn't be the PSU because it's rather high quality. If anything, the CPU would overheat from too much voltage being pumped (probably LLC or offset)

But I'm pretty sure 1.200 W isn't too high, it's the default setting for the i9 9900k.

So what is the problem, that I have no clue.

Should be noted as well that my motherboard BIOS isn't up to date. I have the F8 version, while according to GIGABYTE's website, the lastest verison is F10, and yeah, I'm not sure how to update a BIOS. Maybe this could be the issue?

[r.linder]

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It shouldn't be the PSU because it's rather high quality. If anything, the CPU would overheat from too much voltage being pumped (probably LLC or offset)

But I'm pretty sure 1.200 W isn't too high, it's the default setting for the i9 9900k.

It's not too high. 1.2~1.25v is the ideal setting for a long-term overclock, regardless of what CPU it is. It doesn't actually matter it it's a 9900K or 2600K, 1.2v is 1.2v.

The only way 1.2 would be too high is if load-line calibration was set to a higher setting that's badly configured in BIOS so it jacks up the voltage. LLC should generally be set to a medium setting for the best results, and some motherboards have voltage offsets so 1.2v doesn't necessarily mean 1.2v when it hands off to windows.

[Vaxen]

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

Vaxen님이 먼저 게시:

But I'm pretty sure 1.200 W isn't too high, it's the default setting for the i9 9900k.

It's not too high. 1.2~1.25v is the ideal setting for a long-term overclock, regardless of what CPU it is. It doesn't actually matter it it's a 9900K or 2600K, 1.2v is 1.2v.

The only way 1.2 would be too high is if load-line calibration was set to a higher setting that's badly configured in BIOS so it jacks up the voltage.

Yeah, one of my friends thinks the BIOS might be badly configured, but I'm not really good with the BIOS. I have more knowledge with the Windows OS and working around with it. I would try to fix it, but I have no idea what could be wrong

[r.linder]

Vaxen님이 먼저 게시:

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

It's not too high. 1.2~1.25v is the ideal setting for a long-term overclock, regardless of what CPU it is. It doesn't actually matter it it's a 9900K or 2600K, 1.2v is 1.2v.

The only way 1.2 would be too high is if load-line calibration was set to a higher setting that's badly configured in BIOS so it jacks up the voltage.

Yeah, one of my friends thinks the BIOS might be badly configured, but I'm not really good with the BIOS. I have more knowledge with the Windows OS and working around with it

Go into BIOS and find the option to load optimised defaults. It'll reset every single BIOS setting, after that just re-enable the XMP profile for your RAM if there is one. Alternatively, you can take the battery off of the motherboard and put it back in after a minute. (Make sure it's off and unplugged)

Check the BIOS version as well.

[Vaxen]

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Vaxen님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah, one of my friends thinks the BIOS might be badly configured, but I'm not really good with the BIOS. I have more knowledge with the Windows OS and working around with it

Go into BIOS and find the option to load optimised defaults. It'll reset every single BIOS setting, after that just re-enable the XMP profile for your RAM if there is one.

Check the BIOS version as well.

Speaking about the version, it isnt up to date, but again, I'm not sure how to flash the BIOS and update it.

[r.linder]

Vaxen님이 먼저 게시:

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

Go into BIOS and find the option to load optimised defaults. It'll reset every single BIOS setting, after that just re-enable the XMP profile for your RAM if there is one.

Check the BIOS version as well.

Speaking about the version, it isnt up to date, but again, I'm not sure how to flash the BIOS and update it.

If the BIOS has a built-in flashing feature like Q-Flash, you just put a newer BIOS file for that motherboard onto a USB and run the flash program in BIOS.

Keep in mind that BIOS updating is recommended only when necessary, as if the system loses power for any reason during the update, it can literally brick the board and render it useless. Even if it looks like it's stuck, leave it alone.

[dOBER]

Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

The only way 1.2 would be too high is if load-line calibration was set to a higher setting that's badly configured in BIOS so it jacks up the voltage. LLC should generally be set to a medium setting for the best results, and some motherboards have voltage offsets so 1.2v doesn't necessarily mean 1.2v when it hands off to windows.

1.2v is too much with a higher loadline calibration? I run 1.42v with a high 6 out of 8 since 9900k release and it works perfect.

[Vaxen]

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Vaxen님이 먼저 게시:

Speaking about the version, it isnt up to date, but again, I'm not sure how to flash the BIOS and update it.

If the BIOS has a built-in flashing feature like Q-Flash, you just put a newer BIOS file for that motherboard onto a USB and run the flash program in BIOS.

Keep in mind that BIOS updating is recommended only when necessary, as if the system loses power for any reason during the update, it can literally brick the board and render it useless. Even if it looks like it's stuck, leave it alone.

I'm eager to update it because it says that the F10 version does ''Fix CPU Vcore and power behavior'', which could be the fix to my problem, hopefully. I think I got Q-Flash

[r.linder]

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Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

The only way 1.2 would be too high is if load-line calibration was set to a higher setting that's badly configured in BIOS so it jacks up the voltage. LLC should generally be set to a medium setting for the best results, and some motherboards have voltage offsets so 1.2v doesn't necessarily mean 1.2v when it hands off to windows.

1.2v is too much with a higher loadline calibration? I run 1.42v with a high 6 out of 8 since 9900k release and it works perfect.

That's not even a safe constant voltage for any modern CPU OC. The dead maximum that people recommend for an OC is 1.325v, with a medium level LLC setting. 1.42v with a high LLC can result in higher than safe voltage, in some cases it can push voltage under load above 1.5v and damage your chip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMIh8dTdJwI

Buildzoid is a borderline genius when it comes to hardware. Take what he says seriously, guaranteed he knows more than most do.

[r.linder]

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Escorve님이 먼저 게시:

If the BIOS has a built-in flashing feature like Q-Flash, you just put a newer BIOS file for that motherboard onto a USB and run the flash program in BIOS.

Keep in mind that BIOS updating is recommended only when necessary, as if the system loses power for any reason during the update, it can literally brick the board and render it useless. Even if it looks like it's stuck, leave it alone.

I'm eager to update it because it says that the F10 version does ''Fix CPU Vcore and power behavior'', which could be the fix to my problem, hopefully. I think I got Q-Flash

Looks like a good idea then.