Upgrade time?

[AZLil7]

Hello fellow gamers as you guys saw Intel dropped some new chips. I been waiting for something new to drop. I have right a i7 4790k at 4.4 GHz. I am debating on either getting either the i5 10600k or i7 10700k . All i do game on my pc nothing else.

[r.linder]

If you don't care about every single FPS point, then a Ryzen 5 4600 (not released yet) or i5-10600K would be more than enough.

[xSOSxHawkens]

If you have a Z series chip OC that and get closer to 7700K performance for the time being...

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/7096029/spy/7298147

^^note the nearly identical score on CPU load between my OC'd 4790K and my buddies 7700K (also OC'd... his was 4.5, mine was 4.8, basically a 300Mhz core to core difference between 4th and 7th gen for equal compute).

So, get a 4790K at 4.5/4.6 all core and you already match a stock 7700k... thats an easy OC to do for most chips, and totally doable on a 30 buck 212 evo air cooler.

If you dont have a Z series board, try to sell off that 4790K for the good aftermarket value and invest in an AM4 build.

Intel 10th gen is a power hog and more or less DOA by comparison to AMD.

unless you care more about a sub-10FPS difference in most cases with a ~30% performance loss in most non-game cases... With more heat and twice the power consumption... In which case go Intel! (but really... Dont.)

[hawkeye]

What type of games do you play and what are your monitor specs now and future?

Although intel has released new cpus, except for the top one, they have similar specs to previous i7's. For example -
i9-10900k is new
i7-10700k = i9-9900k
i5-10600k = i7-8700k

11th gen (Rocket Lake) is due end of year. Same socket as 10th gen, but pcie 4 support and hopefully new mobos with dedicated nvme slots

Also due end of year are next gen of nvidia gpus, which should have Display Port 2 connectivity (higher bandwidth for monitors with high resolution and framerates).

gamers nexus and eurogamer have trusted reviews of 10th gen. Note that the top cpus are bottlenecked by 2080ti's, so the right cpu has a lot to do with what gpu and monitor you will use now and in the future, assuming you want "futureproofing".

[AZLil7]

Първоначално публикувано от hawkeye:

What type of games do you play and what are your monitor specs now and future?

Although intel has released new cpus, except for the top one, they have similar specs to previous i7's. For example -
i9-10900k is new
i7-10700k = i9-9900k
i5-10600k = i7-8700k

11th gen (Rocket Lake) is due end of year. Same socket as 10th gen, but pcie 4 support and hopefully new mobos with dedicated nvme slots

Also due end of year are next gen of nvidia gpus, which should have Display Port 2 connectivity (higher bandwidth for monitors with high resolution and framerates).

gamers nexus and eurogamer have trusted reviews of 10th gen. Note that the top cpus are bottlenecked by 2080ti's, so the right cpu has a lot to do with what gpu and monitor you will use now and in the future, assuming you want "futureproofing".

I play AAA games in 4k like tomb raider monster hunter far cry etc but I also play fps mp games in 1440p on a 144hz monitor

[hawkeye]

Първоначално публикувано от AZLil7:

I play AAA games in 4k like tomb raider monster hunter far cry etc but I also play fps mp games in 1440p on a 144hz monitor

In that case I'd opt for the 10700k - 8c/16t. (It's already sold out in stores near me.)

Eurogamer has Ubisoft benchmarks for 1440p. There isn't a great difference between the framerates, but the 2 extra cores will be worth it over time and for online play. And in future you would be in a better position to take advantage of gpu upgrades.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-intel-core-i9-10900k-core-i5-10600k-z490-motherboard-review?page=2

Regarding memory speed eurogamer has a memory comparison in the same article. Not much difference in fps, probably due to gpu bottlenecking, but buy a fast set of ram. This chart has some benchmarks, better than nothing -
https://www.memorybenchmark.net/read_uncached_ddr4_intel.html

[_I_]

4790k oc'd isnt far off from the r5 3600 for gaming

id wait for next few gens or go with 9700k+

[xSOSxHawkens]

Първоначално публикувано от _I_:

4790k oc'd isnt far off from the r5 3600 for gaming

id wait for next few gens or go with 9700k+

idk... I had heard this many times...

When I got my 3900x I was fully expecting it to be a side grade for any sub-4 thread loads, as I assumed my 4.8Ghz was enough to put me on par with a 3.9-4.2Ghz core speed on Ryzen 3000...

I was wrong.

In games, production, and in synthetics all three, my 3900x is faster core for core than my OC'd 4790k (or, assumably, the 7700k it matches in benches and performance)...

That is not to say that the 4790k-OC or 7700K are slow or not fast enough for gaming, they most def are... But they are not on par with ryzen 3000. Not core for core, and not in core count either.

3000 is far closer core for core to 8th generation chips in performance, and if you limit core speeds and do clock for clock they beat intel 9th and 10th gen in most cases, which is why they can keep up with the lower clocks at this point (or more precisely why Intel is having to push clocks and power so high *to* keep relevant),

There was no single case of sidegrade, it was all around better :) Even in low thread loads.

[_I_]

similar core performance to locked 8th gen iseries, sure
but oc'd not a chance

[HALO_run]

i'd get a i7 10700k, that's what im going for my next build

[Randy Marsh]

What GPU, do you have? Maybe upgrade GPU over the CPU?

[SRS]

hmm

[EliteGamer]

I’d would say when ever upgrading CPU, always go high end and not settle for mid range like Ryzen 3600 which is only mid range when it came out, so in a years time you’ll only regret getting it cause you’ll need to upgrade again soon lol .

A CPU upgrade isn’t like a GPU upgrade. A GPU is something you can change every year if you wanted to, doesn’t require a new motherboard and doesn’t require a fresh Windows install etc...but with CPU upgrades, they usually require new system builds because sockets get changed so you need new motherboard and ram etc... So most likely you want to keep your cpu for like 5+ years. I’ve had my i7 4770K since 2013 and even today it’s still performing well at 1440p ultra settings. I have OC it to 4.6GHz though, I needed to for latest games.

[InfinityJosh]

Първоначално публикувано от EliteGamer:

I’d would say when ever upgrading CPU, always go high end and not settle for mid range like Ryzen 3600 which is only mid range when it came out, so in a years time you’ll only regret getting it cause you’ll need to upgrade again soon lol .

A CPU upgrade isn’t like a GPU upgrade. A GPU is something you can change every year if you wanted to, doesn’t require a new motherboard and doesn’t require a fresh Windows install etc...but with CPU upgrades, they usually require new system builds because sockets get changed so you need new motherboard and ram etc... So most likely you want to keep your cpu for like 5+ years. I’ve had my i7 4770K since 2013 and even today it’s still performing well at 1440p ultra settings. I have OC it to 4.6GHz though, I needed to for latest games.

I agree, always buy best CPU available if you can afford, the strongest is the more futureproof will be the system.
I myself own a 4771 CPU, is 6 years old now, still going strong for 1080p 60 FPS high settings FXAA/CMAA.
From 2014 I upgraded GPU from GTX 760 2GB to RX580 4GB, replaced SSD from Silicon Power S60 240GB to MX500 1TB.
I only added 8 GB RAM the rest is the same and ready to play any game for 2/3 more years.

[pasa]

You were using that system for 6 years, there is no point to rush decision and save 1-2 weeks. Intel 10th gen is fresh, wait 1-2 months time till they are widespread and real data starts flowing in. Then make decision based on that real data instead of wild speculation or a small preliminary set.

[xSOSxHawkens]

Първоначално публикувано от HALO_run:

i'd get a i7 10700k, that's what im going for my next build

Why... Just why...

Първоначално публикувано от HardwareUnboxed:

OK, so here we are at the end of another 10 gen core series review, and its now time to make sense of the data.

I really think this is a similar case to what we saw with the Core i9 10900K. the 10700k it simply struggles to match the value of the competing Ryzen parts, and although it does provide slightly higher frame rates in games we’re generally only taking about single digit gains while the deficit in productivity applications is often far more significant.

The way I’m looking at this the 10700k is either on par with the 3700x for a massive 40% price premium or much slower than the 3900x for the same price.

Man, either options sees Intel come out well behind and I just don't think the often slightly better gaming performance can get them out of that one.

That said the 10700k certainly makes more sense than the 10900k as it offers the same level of gaming performance for around $100 US savings, that being the case I feel the Intel Core i5 10600k which I will be reviewing shortly its probably going to be one of Intel's most compelling 10th gen products especially for gamers the 10600K is basically and overclocked 8700k and given the 8700k offers a very similar game experience to that of the 10700k and by extension the 10900k at what should end of being a $280 US asking price this will almost certainly be the CPU to get if you’re gaming exclusively…

The Core i7 10700K is certainly a good deal compared to the outgoing Core i9 9900K, (but) the core i5 10600K should offer the same gaming experience or at least a very similar gaming experience and a much cheaper price point, and of course if you are after the most bang for your buck at the $400 price point then there's simply no going past the Ryzen 9 3900x.

Look, had Intel been out to offer the 10700K at a more reasonable price… $300 US lets say… Then its certainly something I could have recommended as a Ryzen 7 3700x alternative, but at $400 or more its a pass for me, just too expensive and not worth the premium basically what I found with the 10900k...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk9JMtH3cm4


For games you are better off with the i5... For *anything* other than games you are better off Ryzen...

Sad when the best chip in Intel's entire product lineup is a Core i5... Shows just how far they have back-slid on the performance spectrum...