had the biggest scare of my life after i overclocked

[Beastys]

so i have a amd rhyzen 3 3200g by default the cpu core voltage is 1.5 which is crazy high gaming temps was in the 80s with stock cooler

now for the story i tried to undervolt it 1.4 and it kind of bricked my cpu my pc wouldnt boot or anything had a look on google and found out how to reset the cmos luckily its working now im never touching anything in the bios ever again. lesson learned here :)

[Omega]

1.4-1.5v is fine for a Ryzen.

According to some stuff online it's caused by the monitoring software. The Ryzen CPUs are interpreting the monitoring software as a CPU load and they start boosting aggressively.

It will not be doing this as long as you are not running that horribly programmed crapware.

Here is my Ryzen right now for example, it's happily running at 1.4-1.5v.

k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
Vcore:         1.46 V  
Vsoc:          1.01 V  
Tdie:         +39.0°C  
Tctl:         +39.0°C  
Tccd1:        +39.2°C  
Icore:         7.00 A  
Isoc:          3.00 A  

And once it starts going idle the voltage drops significantly.

k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
Vcore:       981.00 mV 
Vsoc:          1.01 V  
Tdie:         +39.2°C  
Tctl:         +39.2°C  
Tccd1:        +48.2°C  
Icore:         3.00 A  
Isoc:          3.00 A  

[Beastys]

thanks so much for your input im in a game atm ill take a look after :)

[r.linder]

Anything above 1.35v isn't advisable for a long term OC on Ryzen. It will eventually degrade the chip to the point that you can't run at the frequency it's capable of running at 1.4~1.5v right now.

[Beastys]

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Anything above 1.35v isn't advisable for a long term OC on Ryzen. It will eventually degrade the chip to the point that you can't run at the frequency it's capable of running at 1.4~1.5v right now.

I must add the new rhyzen 3000 series are at 1.5 volt standard im kind of new to this stuff so dont want to touch nothing to major as im new to pc gaming and what not.

[r.linder]

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Anything above 1.35v isn't advisable for a long term OC on Ryzen. It will eventually degrade the chip to the point that you can't run at the frequency it's capable of running at 1.4~1.5v right now.

I must add the new rhyzen 3000 series are at 1.5 volt standard im kind of new to this stuff so dont want to touch nothing to major as im new to pc gaming and what not.

Pretty much every modern CPU allows up to 1.5v, that doesn't mean it's safe for a long term OC.

It's fine for Ryzen in general when left on auto because it's not a consistent voltage of 1.5v being fed. LLC can also pose a threat because it can overshoot and send more than 1.5v into the chip.

In general, the lower the voltage, the better for a long term manual OC, and anything above 1.4 is a huge no-no. For Ryzen 3000 I'd go as far to say that above 1.35v is the limit, and you don't want it at 1.4v+ anyway because it's just going to run pretty toasty anyway, and there's barely any overclocking headroom regardless. You're forcing a high voltage into the CPU for basically nothing.

[Beastys]

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I must add the new rhyzen 3000 series are at 1.5 volt standard im kind of new to this stuff so dont want to touch nothing to major as im new to pc gaming and what not.

Pretty much every modern CPU allows up to 1.5v, that doesn't mean it's safe for a long term OC.

It's fine for Ryzen in general when left on auto because it's not a consistent voltage of 1.5v being fed. LLC can also pose a threat because it can overshoot and send more than 1.5v into the chip.

In general, the lower the voltage, the better for a long term manual OC, and anything above 1.4 is a huge no-no. For Ryzen 3000 I'd go as far to say that above 1.35v is the limit, and you don't want it at 1.4v+ anyway because it's just going to run pretty toasty anyway, and there's barely any overclocking headroom regardless. You're forcing a high voltage into the CPU for basically nothing.

thanks for your reply ill change that now :) if you dont hear from me ive fried my pc. Which is 7 days young haha

[r.linder]

Escrito originalmente por Unleash The Beast:

Escrito originalmente por Escorve:

Pretty much every modern CPU allows up to 1.5v, that doesn't mean it's safe for a long term OC.

It's fine for Ryzen in general when left on auto because it's not a consistent voltage of 1.5v being fed. LLC can also pose a threat because it can overshoot and send more than 1.5v into the chip.

In general, the lower the voltage, the better for a long term manual OC, and anything above 1.4 is a huge no-no. For Ryzen 3000 I'd go as far to say that above 1.35v is the limit, and you don't want it at 1.4v+ anyway because it's just going to run pretty toasty anyway, and there's barely any overclocking headroom regardless. You're forcing a high voltage into the CPU for basically nothing.

thanks for your reply ill change that now :) if you dont hear from me ive fried my pc. Which is 7 days young haha

It's very unlikely to just be fried.

You'd know if LLC overshot because it'd likely bluescreen or just shut off under load. Either way, it's best to leave Ryzen 3000 at stock with PBO disabled. (PBO doesn't make any meaningful difference and it adds more factors to the CPU's boosting ability; my clocks are higher with PBO disabled because it's not allowing my CPU to boost as high because of other limiting factors added by PBO)

The best performance out of Ryzen 3000 is between a CCX OC or using 1usmus' custom power plan for Ryzen 3000 stock.

[Beastys]

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thanks for your reply ill change that now :) if you dont hear from me ive fried my pc. Which is 7 days young haha

It's very unlikely to just be fried.

You'd know if LLC overshot because it'd likely bluescreen or just shut off under load. Either way, it's best to leave Ryzen 3000 at stock with PBO disabled. (PBO doesn't make any meaningful difference and it adds more factors to the CPU's boosting ability; my clocks are higher with PBO disabled because it's not allowing my CPU to boost as high because of other limiting factors added by PBO)

The best performance out of Ryzen 3000 is between a CCX OC or using 1usmus' custom power plan for Ryzen 3000 stock.

all is well i undervolted it to 1.36v its now idle temperature is 24c it was 36c at 1.5volt and running the benchmark its not going above 61c and thats with the stock cooler. i do have a artic esports duo laying around somewhere just havent fitted it yet. i just want to thank you for taking your time to respond and give some advice :) btw i must add i have a

msi b450m pro vdh motherboard
R3 3200G
Corsair LPX 3000mhz cl16 ram i have the ram at 3200mhz and will be getting another 8gb to run dual channel
400watt psu

[r.linder]

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It's very unlikely to just be fried.

You'd know if LLC overshot because it'd likely bluescreen or just shut off under load. Either way, it's best to leave Ryzen 3000 at stock with PBO disabled. (PBO doesn't make any meaningful difference and it adds more factors to the CPU's boosting ability; my clocks are higher with PBO disabled because it's not allowing my CPU to boost as high because of other limiting factors added by PBO)

The best performance out of Ryzen 3000 is between a CCX OC or using 1usmus' custom power plan for Ryzen 3000 stock.

all is well i undervolted it to 1.36v its now idle temperature is 24c it was 36c at 1.5volt and running the benchmark its not going above 61c and thats with the stock cooler. i do have a artic esports duo laying around somewhere just havent fitted it yet. i just want to thank you for taking your time to respond and give some advice :) btw i must add i have a

msi b450m pro vdh motherboard
R3 3200G
Corsair LPX 3000mhz cl16 ram i have the ram at 3200mhz and will be getting another 8gb to run dual channel
400watt psu

Tightening the timings can make a better difference than a manual OC. RAM is more important for Ryzen than it is for Intel, especially on the APUs when using the Vega graphics.

[Beastys]

i watched a video on youtube where the guy compared single channel to dual channel and the jump was definatly worth the investment im going to make. i will end up getting a graphics card but by doing that i will most likely need to upgrade my cpu aswell to avoid bottlenecking the gpu

[r.linder]

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i watched a video on youtube where the guy compared single channel to dual channel and the jump was definatly worth the investment im going to make. i will end up getting a graphics card but by doing that i will most likely need to upgrade my cpu aswell to avoid bottlenecking the gpu

If your goal is only 60 FPS then an APU is fine for a discrete GPU that can pull 60 FPS at the settings and resolution you want to run at. You really only need to worry about bottlenecking in games that can pull hundreds of FPS, like CS:GO, Minecraft, etc.
Even then, the bottleneck is small and only attributed to the fact that you just get less FPS in the games that use ~4 threads. Games that use more than 4 (not many of them out there yet) may have stuttering at higher frame rates.

[Beastys]

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i watched a video on youtube where the guy compared single channel to dual channel and the jump was definatly worth the investment im going to make. i will end up getting a graphics card but by doing that i will most likely need to upgrade my cpu aswell to avoid bottlenecking the gpu

If your goal is only 60 FPS then an APU is fine for a discrete GPU that can pull 60 FPS at the settings and resolution you want to run at.

im getting average 110fps at 4:3 1280x960 i prefer this for csgo over 1980x1080. when i do switch to that i get around 80fps on average depending on the map and what not

[Beastys]

just looked at your profile that is a beast of a pc wow. i built my own which im proud of to be honest and i done well considering i have no background in building them

[r.linder]

Escrito originalmente por Unleash The Beast:

just looked at your profile that is a beast of a pc wow. i built my own which im proud of to be honest and i done well considering i have no background in building them

Everyone starts somewhere. My first build was with an older AMD APU.

[Beastys]

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Escrito originalmente por Unleash The Beast:

just looked at your profile that is a beast of a pc wow. i built my own which im proud of to be honest and i done well considering i have no background in building them

Everyone starts somewhere. My first build was with an older AMD APU.

well i think ive found my new hobby. and after shopping around it can get pretty expensive.
this build i have now including the case set me back touching maybe just over £300 which im happy with for now